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11/11/11
is coming up

Saint Martin's day
the Feast of St Martin of Tours


Roman soldier. He was baptized as an adult and became a monk. It is understood that he was a kind man who led a quiet and simple life. The most famous legend of his life is that he once cut his cloak in half to share with a beggar during a snowstorm, to save the beggar from dying of the cold. That night he dreamed that Jesus was wearing the half-cloak Martin had given away. Martin heard Jesus say to the angels: "Here is Martin, the Roman soldier who is not baptised; he has clothed me." In another story, when Martin woke, his cloak was restored, and the miraculous cloak was preserved among the relic collection of the Merovingian kings of the Franks.[1]

one of the most sacred relics of the Frankish kings, would be carried everywhere the king went, even into battle, as a holy relic upon which oaths were sworn. The cloak is first attested in the royal treasury in 679,
Clovis was very dedicated to Saint Martin
he popular devotion to St Martin continued to be closely identified with the Merovingian monarchy: in the early seventh century Dagobert I commissioned the goldsmith Saint Eligius to make a wonderful work in gold and gems for the tomb-shrine.

Martin Luther was named after Saint Martin, as he was baptized on November 11 (St. Martin's Day), 1483.

In many countries, including Germany, Martinmas celebrations begin at the eleventh minute of the eleventh hour of this eleventh day of the eleventh month. Bonfires are built, and children carry lanterns in the streets after dark, singing songs for which they are rewarded with candy.

Originating in France, the tradition of celebrating Martinmas spread to Germany in the 16th century and later to Scandinavia and the Baltics. In Estonia, Martinmas signifies the merging of Western European customs with the local Balto-Finnic pagan traditions, it also contains elements of earlier worship of the dead as well as certain year-end celebration that predates Christianity.

In Canada it is a national holiday Remembrance Day

Remembrance Day is observed on 11 November to recall the official end of World War I on that date in 1918; hostilities formally ended "at the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month" of 1918 with the German signing of the Armistice ("at the 11th hour" refers to the passing of the 11th hour, or 11:00 a.m.)


Sauniere is said to attended three Martinist Meeting in Lyon
http://www.perillos.com/lyons_2.html

Martinism is a form of mystical and esoteric Christianity concerned with the fall of the first man, his state of material privation from his divine source, and the process of his return, called 'Reintegration' or illumination.

Really Awesome Roscoe
Thanks

If you know the Ole song of Dagobert
It was about a sword

from your link above




The Acadiens
sang a song and danced to
Le bon roi Dagobert is a traditional children's song about King Dagobert and his minister St. Eloi, who offers sound advise to the king.

King Dagobert belonged to the Merovingian kings commonly known as the Rois Faineants or the 'good for nothing kings'.

The song dates from 1750, but did not become popular in France until 1814, the time of the Restoration: The royalists mocked Napoleon with these words

The good king Dagobert
was wearing his tights backwards
Saint Eligius told him 'Your majesty
is wrongly-underweared!'
'It's true!' says the king,
'I should go switch them around!'

The good king Dagobert
was playing with an iron sword
Saint Eligius told him 'Your majesty
could hurt himself!'
'It's true!' says the king,
'I'll go get one made of wood!'

The good king Dagobert
put on his nice green vest
Saint Eligius told him 'Your majesty
your vest has a hole in the elbow!'
'It's true!' says the king,
'Yours is nice, give it to me!'

The good king Dagobert
went to war in the winter
Saint Eligius told him 'Your majesty
will freeze to death!'
'It's true!' says the king,
'I'm going home!'


Bayou Teche in Louisiana – that of a great snake that couldn’t be killed (in French, the word “teche’ means snake),

really...where did you get that from ?

You Know Sheila I read that on a internet site
Your point is taken
Here is some links
http://www.toolband.com/news/letter/index.php?t=1&id=15
this is from an article canoeing in Louisiana
I think it is a interconnection between the French Acadian and Indian word
because it was the Acadians that named the Bayou...it was named by the Nova Scotia Acadians in the Great Expulsion
http://books.google.com/books?id=FWSGxw_brL8C&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=Teche+Means+snake+in+French&source=bl&ots=4wWmfaYAaN&sig=S3XraY86xbSsiennGn4Ny0yEBUo&hl=en&ei=bYy1TvDtLumtsQLlv_3-Aw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Teche%20Means%20snake%20in%20French&f=false
The name "Teche" is a French word meaning "snake" based on a story about a large snake told by the Chitimacha indians to the settlers in the area
http://everything.explained.at/Bayou_Teche/
It was filled with oak trees and cypress trees and wildlife

Saint Martinville lies on the Teche
Saint Martin of Tours Church in Martinville LA
He is wearing his Phyrgian hats




It is Cajun country

The name "Teche" is a Chitimacha Indian word meaning "snake", related to the bayou's twists and turns resembling a snake's movement. The Chitimacha tell an ancient story of how the snake attacked their villages, and it took many warriors many years to kill it. Where the huge carcass lay and decomposed, the depression it left behind filled with water to become the bayou.

Saint Martin of Tours
passes his cloak to a poor servant

It is a ritual

The cutting of one's cloak has great significance in the Old Testament

In Kings 1:11:11 (notice the numbers)
Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
1 Kings 11:29-30
29 One day as Jeroboam was leaving Jerusalem, the prophet Ahijah from Shiloh met him along the way. Ahijah was wearing a new cloak. The two of them were alone in a field,
30
And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:

The Phyrgian hat of Saint Martin of Tours

Jeroboam reigned for 22 years
"he pleads the people's cause"
Jeroboam was promoted by Solomon to be chief superintendent of the "burnden", i.e. the bands of forced laborers
Jeroboam sets up two golden calves, from the Bible Historiale. Den Haag, MMW, 10 B 23 165r
dates 1372 notice artist/monk illustrates the use of Phrygian hats of the men standing around Jeroboam
and his two gold calves placed at


31
And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:

A bit of advice Lov, before you go using anything TooL related for a reference you may wanna do a little research into the band members, and what motivates them( if thats possible to figure out). The drummer has a rather nice collection of Aleister Crowley books,so i hear.

There is no connection between Saint Martin de Tours and Martinisme.

Thanks Crimson Ghost
that is what I'm thankful
for all your insights

Thanks to Sheila too

What is interesting at Martinsville LA is that the statue of Martin of Tours is in direct line with the Freemason symbol across the street



Martinism is a form of mystical and esoteric Christianity concerned with the fall of the first man, his state of material privation from his divine source, and the process of his return, called 'Reintegration' or illumination.

As a mystical tradition, it was first transmitted through a masonic high-degree system established around 1740 in France by Martinez de Pasqually, and later propagated in different forms by his two students Louis Claude de Saint-Martin and Jean-Baptiste Willermoz.

Louis Claude de Saint-Martin (January 18, 1743 – 14 October[1] 1803) was a French philosopher,

While in the garrison at Bordeaux, he came under the influence of Martinez de Pasqually, usually called a Portuguese Jew (although later research has revealed the probability that he was a Spanish Catholic), who taught a species of mysticism drawn from cabbalistic sources, and endeavoured to found thereon a secret cult with magical or theurgical rites.

Pasqually



The founding of the Order came about when Encausse met August Chaboseau in 1884. They discovered that they had both apparently received Martinist initiation through two different chains of succession which linked back to Saint-Martin and his original disciples. Papus claimed to have come into the possession of the original papers of de Pasqually and to have been given authority in the Rite of Saint-Martin by his friend Henri Viscount Delaage.[12] However, Encausse realised that there was a "missing link" in his own chain of succession: he and Chaboseau therefore "swapped initiations" to consolidate their lineages.

The Martinist Order which Papus founded was organised as a Lodge system, which worked four degrees:

Associate
Mystic
Unknown Superior (S::I::/Supèrieur Inconnu)
Unknown Superior Initiator (S::I::I::/Supèrieur Inconnu Initiateur)(Lodge/Heptad Master).

Of these, the first two introduce the Candidate to key Martinist concepts, while the third supposedly confers the actual Initiation which Saint-Martin gave to his original disciples.

The mystical Christianity of Martinism is emphasised by the fact that all lodges are opened by invoking Yeheshuah, (Hebrew: יהשוה) i.e. the Tetragrammaton, with the addition of the Hebrew letter Shin, which was first suggested by Reuchlin as a Qabalistic way of spelling Jesus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martinism

The Indian Chief stands before the church with Saint Martin of Tours

On Christmas Eve, bonfires dot the levees along the Mississippi River between New Orleans and Baton Rouge. This celebration, according to Cajun Country, has European roots: "The huge bonfires ... are descendants of the bonfires lit by ancient European civilizations, particularly along the Rhine and Seine rivers, to encourage and reinforce the sun at the winter solstice, its 'weakest' moment."

Generally, Cajun French shows the influence of its specific history in Louisiana and Acadia/Nova Scotia, as well as its roots in coastal France. Since Brittany, in northern coastal France, is heavily Celtic, Cajun French bears "grammatical and other linguistic evidences of Celtic influence." Some scattered Indian words survive in Cajun French, such as "bayou," which came from the Muskhogean Indian word, " bay-uk, " through Cajun French, and into English.

http://www.everyculture.com/multi/A-Br/ ... z1ctXbfYzB

Interesting times in space at this time
NASA space update

Asteroid 2005 YU55 to Approach Earth on November 8, 2011

Made the News
http://youtu.be/RmR_lmVwifE

Near-Earth asteroid 2005 YU55 will pass within 0.85 lunar distances from the Earth on November 8, 2011. The upcoming close approach by this relatively large 400 meter-sized, C-type asteroid presents an excellent opportunity for synergistic ground-based observations including optical, near infrared and radar data. The attached animated illustration shows the Earth and moon flyby geometry for November 8th and 9th when the object will reach a visual brightness of 11th magnitude and should be easily visible to observers in the northern and southern hemispheres. The closest approach to Earth and the Moon will be respectively 0.00217 AU and 0.00160 AU on 2011 November 8 at 23:28 and November 9 at 07:13 UT.

Since the asteroid will approach the Earth from the sunward direction, it will be a daylight object until the time of closest approach. The best time for new ground-based optical and infrared observations will be late in the day on November 8, after 21:00 hours UT from the eastern Atlantic and western Africa zone. A few hours after its close Earth approach, it will become generally accessible for optical and near-IR observations but will provide a challenging target because of its rapid motion across the sky.

Although classified as a potentially hazardous object, 2005 YU55 poses no threat of an Earth collision over at least the next 100 years. However, this will be the closest approach to date by an object this large that we know about in advance and an event of this type will not happen again until 2028

Nothing to worry about so says NASA

but there is the Barycenter of the Earth and Moon
which this Asteroid may cause some influence


The barycenter is the point between two objects where they balance each other; it is the center of mass where two or more celestial bodies orbit each other. When a moon orbits a planet, or a planet orbits a star, both bodies are actually orbiting around a point that lies outside the center of the primary (the larger body).
Astronomical Journal article on the affect of Asteroids on Mars
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/publications/reports/jhAsteroidEphemerides.pdf

It will be interesting to see if there is any big Earth changes in the next week

http://youtu.be/uGBANgbRkws



We see the Sun king and the Moon Goddess with the stars on the table cloth
the sacred interconnection but could it be also the Earth and moon interconnection and the stars
the whole glass is a circle ....

Don't you know that everything is connected and there are no coincidences?

TCP

Archdiocesan of Tours

It was at the Château of Chinon in 1429 that Joan of Arc first saw Charles VII and gave him confidence in her mission, and in the same year she sent to St-Catherine-de-Fierbois in the diocese to seek in the tomb of an ancient knight the sword of Charles Martel.



owards the end of the 4th century, a follower of St Martin, St Mexme, established first a hermitage, and then a monastery on the eastern slope of the town. This foundation flourished throughout Middle Ages, being rebuilt and extended four times; the eventual complex contained a large and highly decorated church, a cloister and a square of canons' residences.In the 12th century Chinon, located in (then) County of Anjou, which was then independent of the kingdom of France, was a primary residence of Henry II (Angevin King and King of England) and served with Poitiers and Bordeaux as a key southern capital of the vast Angevin holdings.

Fontevraud-l'Abbaye, near Chinon, in Anjou, France
Philippa de Toulouse or Philippa de Rouergue, was the Duchess Consort of Aquitaine, and Countess of Toulouse.
concentrating on religion (in particular the Abbey of Fontevrault, of which she remained a keen sponsor), especially the teachings of its founder, who preached the superiority of women over men. Her obsession with a doctrine considered offensive by many men of that time, combined with William's growing dissatisfaction with her, and his teasing of her (claiming to be founding an abbey of prostitutes), led to discord in the marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_of_Toulouse

Robert of Arbrissel
founder of the abbey of Fontevrault.
1100 Robert formally resigned his abbacy, and founded Fontevrault. This was a double monastery, but he stipulated that the leader of this order should always be a woman.

Robert's legend has long alluded to the presence of converted prostitutes and there is indeed considerable contemporary evidence for this assertion. Baldric of Dol writes of the presence amongst Robert's disciples of meretrices - a Latin word usually used at the time to refer to prostitutes, or at the very least, morally loose women.

Robert had prostitute followers – by virtue of showing that such a story was in common currency at the time. Robert also dedicated one of the houses at his abbey of Fontevrault to Mary Magdalene.

He was, however, condemned by Abbot Geoffrey of Vendôme and Bishop Marbod of Rennes for the practice of syneisaktism, a mortification of the flesh that consisted of resisting the temptation of sleeping among women

I had to look up that word
syneisaktism
refers to spiritual marriage of people of the opposite sex, a pure marriage of two spiritual souls who therefore do not engage in sexual relations, and in effect, eliminate their gender.


Robert was never canonized.

Well if everything is cause-effect-cause-effect, and given that science is the study of cause and effect, then everything is connected and there are no coincidences. Everything that is happening 'now' had to happen as soon as that first cause took effect. All that happened was all the effects became causes which just ripple down 'through' time for ever growing as the branches on a tree.
You see a post by Lov, you reply, I see your reply and that triggers my reply.

That was beautiful jlockest

Here is a coincidence
Martin Luther was named after Saint Martin of Tours ...he was baptized on his feast day
He allowed priests to marry

Martinism developed from the teachings of French Philosopher

Louis Claude de Saint-Martin who was a student of Martinez de Pasqually

Admirers of his works formed groups of Friends of St Martin which later became known as Martinists. They were influential on the formation of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn.

All ecclesiastical organization was to disappear, giving place to a purely spiritual Christianity, based on the assertion of a faculty superior to the reason moral sense, from which we derive knowledge of God. God exists as an eternal personality, and the creation is an overflowing of the divine love, which was unable to contain itself. The human soul, the human intellect or spirit, the spirit of the universe, and the elements or matter, are the four stages of this divine emanation, man being the immediate reflection of God, and nature in turn a reflection of man. Man, however, has fallen from his high estate, and matter is one of the consequences of his fall. But divine love, united to humanity in Christ, will work the final regeneration.

I could see Saint Martin's generosity and love for the poor beggar could fit into that philosophy of Saint Martin of the Martinists

Here is from a Rosicrucian website
MARTINISM. This is an initiatory school of philosophy and mysticism whose lineage can be traced to the Knights Templar in the medieval ages, through Charles Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie), Papus, Martinez Pasqually and Louis Claude de Saint-Martin. Martinism has close ties to the Masonic and Rosicrucian traditions. Martinism gives emphasis on theurgy as a means to know God.

http://www.rosecrossohgrc.com/theorder.html

One wonders if Sauniere would be out there stargazing on these next few days

I think he would be Roscoe

An asteroid the size of an aircraft carrier is to soar past the Earth this week and, while NASA is certain that the space rock will not hit us, it will be our closest encounter with such a large chunk of rock in three decades.


The 400-yard-wide asteroid is called 2005 YU55 and at the point of closest approach it will graze our planet at 201,700 miles — about ten percent closer to Earth than the Moon’s typical orbit.

It is the “closest approach by an asteroid, that large, that we’ve known about in advance,” said principal investigator Lance Benner, from NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory, in an educational announcement. This gives the space agency an unprecedented view of such a rare flyby — and it will take full advantage.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/11/asteroid-2005-yu55/


In the poll the majority feel that 11/11/11 is going to be just like any other day

Yu55 trajectory

there will be a cross in paths

The Angels of the heaven and the spirit underground
Will they be interacting in the next few days

My husbands birthday is on 11.11.11, he was born at 11am.....
Here in England we celebrate armistice day on that date and hold one minutes silence at 11 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day

Oh that is so cool! Tingra
Just think right on his birthday England is silent
May he have a wonderful birthday

In the US it is also Veteran's Day (minus the poppies), so it is quite an international occasion really (just to puff up hubby a bit more even).

I assume you know that the Chitimacha referred to their great leader as the "High Teche"?

Lovuian, as you are the queen of Stained Glass windows and you are talking about St Martin in this thread perhaps you might be interested in this
According to Rob in his new book Inside the Priory of Sion, there is a church in Limoux (St Martins) that has a couple of Stained Glass windows depicting the marriage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene and one in particular depicts Jesus presenting a boy to Mary Magdalene with the inscription attached “woman I give you a son”.

I don’t recall seeing any pictures of these windows on here during many of the discussions about MM and her relationship with Jesus, perhaps Richard or Nic might have a picture from their travels in Limoux

Believe it or not, I would also be interested Lov,and tingra,