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 Post subject: Romes last pope and St Malachy prophecies and Sauniere
PostPosted: 26 May 2012 4:05 pm 
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Sauniere Book
"the Prophecy of the Popes allotted to S. Malachy". By Joseph Main.

and the legend that said his last words
he whispered was John 23

The reason I bring this up
it seems in the news the Vatican is riddled with scandal
It seems the Pope's butler was arrested for leaking information
Source: Associated Press

VATICAN CITY (AP) -- The Vatican confirmed Saturday that the pope's butler had been arrested in its embarrassing leaks scandal, adding a Hollywood twist to an already remarkable tale of power struggles, intrigue and corruption in the highest levels of Catholic Church governance.

Paolo Gabriele, a layman who lives inside Vatican City, was arrested Wednesday with secret documents in his possession and was being held Saturday, the Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said in a statement.

The "Vatileaks" scandal has seriously embarrassed the Vatican, at a time in which it is trying to show the world financial community that it has turned a page and shed its reputation as a scandal plagued tax haven.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18219390

Last Thursday, the president of the Vatican bank - Ettore Gotti Tedeschi - was ousted by the bank's board.

Others concern "poison pen" memos criticising Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the pope's number two, and the reporting of suspicious payments by the Vatican Bank.


Some have compared Bertone as the Petro Romano

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/26/popes-butler-charged-leaked-letters?newsfeed=true

Paolo Gabriele charged with illegal possession of documents after whistleblowing book alleges corruption at Holy See''
Letters depict collusion between the Berlusconi government and the Vatican over how to avoid EU pressure to make the Catholic church pay tax on its properties.

this is from wiki
http://libertyparkusafd.org/lp/Hancock/International%20%20Banks%5CVatican%20Bank%20-%20Wikipedia,%20the%20free%20encyclopedia.htm
It is concerning the lost Croatian treasury from WWII
It seems the Nazis may have used the Vatican to hide the treasury

There is some talk about the Vatican bank involvement in the Derivitive market and their connection to Goldman Sachs
I hope it is not true but it seems with the continuing crisis of pedophilia crimes that plague the church
it seems an informant has been placed at the highest position next to the Pope ....his butler

Could St Malachy be right? Sauniere seemed to value the prophecy

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It only gets worse
Director of Vatican Bank resigns under pressure
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Source: National Catholic Reporter

VATICAN CITY -- In an unprecedented move, the board of the Vatican Bank on Thursday forced its president, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, to resign.
According to a Vatican statement, the bank's supervisory council unanimously passed a no-confidence motion in Gotti Tedeschi for his "failure to fulfill various primary functions of his office." Carl A. Anderson, the supreme knight of the U.S.-based Knights of Columbus, is one of the council's four members.
The Vatican's chief spokesman, Jesuit Fr. Federico Lombardi, declined to give more details on the reasons for the dismissal, but analysts say the move should be read in the context of an internal Vatican struggle over controversial new rules for financial transparency.
Since 2010, Gotti Tedeschi, together with the bank's director general, Paolo Cipriani, has been under investigation for alleged money laundering.
In the past, the Vatican Bank, which operates under the protection of the Vatican's status as a sovereign nation, has been often accused of involvement in shady financial operations, such as money laundering for Italian politicians and even mafia bosses.


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Carl Albert Anderson, KSG (born February 27, 1951) is the thirteenth and current Supreme Knight of the Knights of Columbus. Anderson is vice president of the Washington session of the Pontifical John Paul II Institute for Studies on Marriage and Family.

In addition, Anderson serves as a member of the Board of Trustees of The Catholic University of America, the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, the National Catholic Educational Association as well as the supervisory council of the Vatican Bank. He also holds a seat on the International Board of Advisors of the Wheelchair Foundation.

During the administration of Ronald Reagan, Anderson served in various positions of the Executive Office of the President of the United States, including special assistant to the President and acting director of the White House Office of Public Liaison. Following his service at the White House, Anderson served for nearly a decade as a member of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights. From 1976-81 he was a legislative assistant to Senator Jesse Helms.


In coming days I’ll file a report sorting through these accounts. We should get a sense fairly soon of how outside experts are reacting to the shake-up, since European regulators evaluating the Vatican’s efforts to comply with international anti-money laundering standards are due to render a preliminary judgment in July.
Various Vatican officials have insisted that Gotti Tedeschi’s removal does not signal any retreat from efforts at satisfying international standards of transparency.
According to the most commonly cited figures, the Institute for the Works of Religion has roughly 33,000 clients, most of them clergy and religious orders. The majority is located in Europe, though some 3,000 are in Africa and South America. All told, the value of its holdings, known as its “patrimony,” is estimated at roughly $6.5 billion.

this isn't the first time either

Roberto Calvi (13 April 1920–17 June 1982) was an Italian banker dubbed "God's Banker" by the press because of his close association with the Holy See. A native of Milan, Calvi was Chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, which collapsed in one of modern Italy's biggest political scandals. A source of enduring controversy, his death in London in June 1982 was ruled a murder after two coroner's inquests and an independent investigation. In Rome, in June 2007, five people were acquitted of the murder.

Claims have been made that factors in Calvi's death were the Vatican Bank, Banco Ambrosiano's main shareholder; the Mafia, which may have used Banco Ambrosiano for money laundering; and the Propaganda Due or P2 clandestine Masonic Lodge.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9292511/Lloyds-of-London-preparing-for-euro-collapse.html

Lloyd's of London preparing for euro collapse
The chief executive of the multi-billion pound Lloyd's of London has publicly admitted that the world's leading insurance market is prepared for a collapse in the single currency and has reduced its exposure "as much as possible" to the crisis-ridden continent.


and I could be wrong but the Socialists of France seem to be ahead at the Polls

Lloyd's move comes as a major Franco-German provider of credit insurance for eurozone trade, Euler Hermes, said it was considering reducing cover for trade with Greece because of the risk the country might leave the eurozone.

French banks plan for Greek euro zone exit


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Reuters) - French banks, which are among the lenders most exposed to Greece, have stepped up their efforts on contingency plans for the debt-laden country leaving the euro zone, sources familiar with the situation said.

The heightened preparations by banks, including Credit Agricole (CAGR.PA), BNP Paribas (BNPP.PA) and Societe Generale (SOGN.PA), come after euro zone sources told Reuters earlier this week that each member of the common currency would have to prepare a plan for a possible Greek exit.

At end-Dec 2011, total French cross-border lending to Greece was $44.4 billion (28.3 billion pounds), higher than Germany's $13.4 billion, according to preliminary Bank for International Settlements data tracking consolidated foreign claims of reporting banks on an ultimate risk basis.

"The banks are doing contingency planning concerning a Greek exit, but you can understand why they wouldn't say so publicly," a consultant to French banks said.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/05/25/uk-france-banks-greece-idUKBRE84O0PC20120525

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A United Europe was clearly a vision of Plantard’s 1940 vision, as expressed in the issues of Vaincre. And in the 1950s, a New York-based group called the American Committee on United Europe, whose leadership included General Bill Donovan, wartime head of the OSS (the fore-runner of the CIA), George Marshall, the US Secretary of State, and Allen Dulles, then Director of the CIA.
This high-powered CIA-funded pressure group financed the so-called European Movement, headed by Joseph Retinger, who promoted select gatherings of European and American politicians, businessmen, aristocrats, top civil servants and military leaders. It is also a group that would later inspire Prince Bernhard to create the Bilderberg group, which is now known to have equally been set up with CIA funding.

In 2000, declassified American government documents showed that the US intelligence community funded and directed the European federalist movement. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gave instructions for a campaign to promote a fully fledged European parliament. It was signed by Gen. William J. Donovan, head of the American wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA. The vice chairman was Allen Dulles. The board included Walter Bedell Smith, the CIA’s first director, and a roster of ex-OSS figures and officials who moved in and out of the CIA.
The documents again showed that ACUE financed the European Movement, the most important federalist organization in the post-war years. In 1958, for example, it provided 53.5 per cent of the movement’s funds. Most interestingly, these documents again confirmed that the European Youth Campaign, an arm of the European Movement, was wholly funded and controlled by Washington.
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With his global contacts, Bernhard in May 1954, was a key figure in organising a meeting at the Bilderberg Hotel in the Netherlands for the business elite and intellectuals of the Western World to discuss the economic problems in the face of what they characterized as the growing threat from Communism. This first meeting was successful, and it became an annual gathering known as the Bilderberg Group. The idea for the European Union, first proposed by Robert Schuman on 9 May 1950, was encouraged at Bilderberg.

this is the insignia of the Trilateral Commission
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The Trilateral Commission is a non-governmental, non-partisan discussion group founded by David Rockefeller in July 1973, to foster closer cooperation among the United States, Europe and Japan.

the story that Sauniere whispered at his death
John 23
the golden pectoral cross of Pope John XXIII
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Pastor Et Natua (Pastor and mariner) called by Malachy

In the center is the golden triangle with the all seeing eye
Sauniere's regalia also had the golden triangle
with the Tetragrammaton
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On Saunieres Tour Magdala is the trefoil the number three Triad

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More from the Butler did it
Pope's butler vows to help Vatican scandal probe

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20120528/D9V1T74O3.html
Few believe butler Paolo Gabriele worked alone to leak dozens of documents shedding light on power struggles, corruption and intrigue inside the highest levels of the Catholic Church. The leaks have tormented the Vatican for months and painted a picture of a church hierarchy in utter disarray
The Vatileaks scandal broke in January when Italian journalist Gianluigi Nuzzi broadcast letters from the former No. 2 Vatican administrator to the pope in which he begged not to be transferred for having exposed alleged corruption that cost the Holy See millions of euros in higher contract prices. The prelate, Monsignor Carlo Maria Vigano, is now the Vatican's U.S. ambassador

The scandal reached a peak last weekend, when Nuzzi published an entire book based on a trove of new documentation, including personal correspondence to and from the pope and his private secretary, much of which paints Benedict's No. 2, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, in a negative light.

Gabriele's arrest occurred almost simultaneously with another stunning development inside the secretive walls of the Vatican: the ouster of Benedict's hand-picked president of the Vatican bank, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi, himself close to Opus. The bank's board took a vote of no-confidence last week to oust him for failing to do his job.

And it came amid new developments in one of the Vatican's most enduring mysteries, the case of Emanuela Orlandi, the 15-year-old daughter of a Vatican employee who disappeared in 1983 while on her way to a music lesson in Rome.

On Sunday, Orlandi's brother led a march to the Vatican in hope that Benedict would offer them a prayer following the unearthing of the tomb of a mobster alleged to have kidnapped her. The tomb, inside an Opus Dei church in Rome, yielded hundreds of old bone fragments that are being examined for a trace of the girl.

Opus Dei seems to be in the limelight too

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/28/vatican-butler-idUSL5E8GS4G720120528

The scandal exploded last week when within a few days the pope's butler was arrested for leaking documents, the head of the Vatican's own bank was abruptly dismissed and a book was published alleging conspiracies among the cardinals or "princes of the Church".

Newspapers, quoting insiders who had themselves leaked documents, said the arrested butler was merely a scapegoat doing the bidding of more powerful figures in the scandal, which has been dubbed "Vatileaks".

We are talking that the Butler is a possible ScapeGoat for a group of cardinals

Gotti Tedeschi's ouster was is a blow to Bertone, who as secretary of state was instrumental in bringing him in from Spain's Banco Santander to run the Vatican bank in 2009.

While news of the butler's arrest has filled pages and pages of newspapers in Italy and beyond, the Vatican's own newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, has ignored the story. Some say this may be because the paper itself has been an instrument in the power struggle between Bertone's allies and foes.

Documents leaked over the last few months included letters by an archbishop who was transferred to Washington by Bertone after blowing the whistle on what he saw as a web of corruption in a memo that put a number of cardinals in a bad light. Other documents alleged internal conflicts over the Vatican bank.

"I feel very sad for the pope. This whole thing is such a disservice to the Church," said Carl Anderson, head of the Knights of Columbus charity group and a member of the board of the Vatican bank who voted to fire Gotti Tedeschi.

Anderson told Reuters the bank president was sacked because of "a fundamental failure to perform his basic responsibilities". Gotti Tedeschi has said he was ousted because he wanted the bank to be more transparent, but Anderson rejected that assertion.

Ouster of Vatican bank head reflects badly on secretary of state
There seems to be a Vatican in turmoil and at war with itself

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The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with the successor of current pope Benedict XVI, a pope described in the prophecy as "Peter the Roman", whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.

Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934) is an Italian prelate and diplomat. A cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church, he currently serves as Cardinal Secretary of State and Camerlengo, having previously served as Archbishop of Vercelli from 1991 to 1995, as Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, when Cardinal Ratzinger, the future Pope Benedict XVI, was Prefect, and Archbishop of Genoa from 2002 to 2006

The city where Pietro was born was was born in Romano Canavese, Piedmont,

So some have connected him with the name Peter the Roman
if we go by the prophecy of Malachy as the book Sauniere had possessed
then we have entered into a interesting time

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Rockefeller once wanted to buy Fontfroide. Fontfroide is related to Valis Dei and Jaffus.


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Rockefeller once wanted to buy Fontfroide. Fontfroide is related to Valis Dei and Jaffus.


FMH can you explain that further?

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l'Abbaye Sainte-Marie de Fontfroide is a former Cistercian monastery in France, situated 15 kilometers south-west of Narbonne near to the Spanish border.

The murder in 1208 of Pierre de Castelnau, a Fontfroide monk and legate to Pope Innocence III, leads to the crusade against the Albigensian order.

In 1093, a Benedictine monastery is founded in Fontfroide. When Saint Bernard comes to the Languedoc in 1145, it joins the order of the Cistercians

The significance of Fontfroide continues until the middle of the 14th century. Two abbots from the monastery achieve most superior positions: Arnaud Nouvel is appointed cardinal, chancellor of the church and eventually papal legate in the process against the Templars. Jacques Fournier gains historic importance as Pope Benoìt XII.

Jacques Fournier
Abbot of the monastery of the cold spring.
He was an abbot in the monastery of Fontfroide ("cold spring")
the third of the Avignon Popes, was Pope from 1334 to 1342.
In 1317 he was made Bishop of Pamiers. There he undertook a rigorous hunt for Cathar heretics, which won him praise from religious authorities, but alienated the local people.

His efforts against the Cathars of Montaillou in the Ariège were carefully recorded in the Fournier Register, which he took to Rome and deposited in the Vatican Library. This has been documented by Emmanuel Le Roy Ladurie's pioneering microhistory, Montaillou, village occitan. In 1326, upon the successful rooting out of the last – it was believed – heretics of the south, he was made Bishop of Mirepoix in the Ariège. A year later, in 1327, he was made a cardinal.


He rejected many of the ideas developed by John XXII. In this regard, he promulgated an apostolic constitution, Benedictus Deus, in 1336. This dogma defined the Church's belief that the souls of the departed go to their eternal reward immediately after death, as opposed to remaining in a state of unconscious existence until the Last Judgment.[1] Though some claim that he campaigned against the Immaculate Conception, this is far from clear. He engaged in long theological debates with other noted figures of the age, such as William of Ockham and Meister Eckhart.

Fournier succeeded Pope John XXII as Pope in 1334, being elected on the first ballot of the papal conclave. But he did not carry out the policies of his predecessor. He chose to make peace with Holy Roman Emperor Louis IV, and as far as possible came to terms with the Franciscans, who were then at odds with the Roman See.


Rockefeller has the Cloisters
The Cloisters, which is near the northern tip of Manhattan island on a hill overlooking the Hudson River, incorporates parts from five French cloistered abbeys. Buildings at Saint-Michel-de-Cuxa, Saint-Guilhem-le-Désert, Bonnefont-en-Comminges, Trie-en-Bigorre, and Froville were all disassembled brick-by-brick before being shipped to New York. Between 1934 and 1938, the features were reassembled in Fort Tryon Park.

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Greece to Leave Euro Zone on June 18: Wealth Manager
http://www.cnbc.com/id/47587509

It is all about the election 6/17 and who wins

"The Greek banking system would close for a week and there’ll be a new currency. Not the drachma but ideally it would be two Geuros (the name given to a possible Greek parallel currency) to one euro so they devalue and fix to the euro,” Dewhirst said.

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Rockefeller once wanted to buy Fontfroide. Fontfroide is related to Valis Dei and Jaffus.


LAVALDIEU
The area of Rennes le Chateau and Rennes les Bains, with the inverted mountain of Bugarach, ruined Cathar castles, hot springs and powerful earth energies has always had a mysterious and sacred history.
The impressive rocks that the hamlet of Lavaldieu are built on are evidence of its megalithic origins. The old paths, lined with huge slabs of stone date from Celtic times and one can follow in the footsteps of the ancient ones (or even those of the dinosaurs). The excavations in progress take us to the 11th.C vaulted foundations of a chapel and to the then owners the Knights of St. John of the Cross. When the Knights were dissolved Lavaldieu became the property of the Abbey of Fontfroide ( approx. 1290) with the names Vallis Dei ; which became in occitan "La val (de) Dieu (in ancient occitan the preposition "de"; was left out ). In the early 1800 there were 5 houses and families here and after the 1st. World War Lavaldieu fell into ruin, the fate of many rural properties.
In 1984 the slow restoration of the ruined hamlet and Lavaldieu s land was undertaken and is now presently owned by a company.


5km from the enigmatic village of Rennes le Chateau.

Engraved stone

At a place called "hermitage" at the foot of the valley Lavaldieu this is a stone sign

Le Bezu
It is mentioned for the first time in 1067 under the name Albedunum.
it was presented as a Templar Commandery by Abbe Mazieres, who dedicated a book on this controversial hypothesis. It would have been converted to 1290 by the Templars from the Mas-Deu, Commandery Catalan, following a donation of Pierre de Voisins, lord of Rennes-le-Ch?teau. Jean Markale, in his book Rennes-le-Chateau and the mystery of the cursed gold (Editions Pygmalion, 1989), indicates that the Templars were not B?zu arrested October 13, 1307, unlike all Templars of the Kingdom of France. They would then have been under the authority of the Count of Barcelona.

Map I.G.N. (Blue Series, 1:25 000, Quillan, 2347 West) said the remains as those of the castle of the Templars. Below is a rural hamlet named the Tipler, probably alteration of the Templars.

According to legend, in the wells located in the ruins of their farm Baruteaux is hidden a silver bell. It would sound the death knell each night of October 12 to 13 (the Templars were arrested in the kingdom of France Friday, October 13, 1307 ...). A row of ghosts then leave the cemetery and headed towards the castle ...

BLANCHEFORT
She is on a peak, on the road between Rennes les Bains, direction Peyrepertuse. This "beauty of stone is in the" triangle of Cathar castles.
In the 10th century a fortified position is built by the Visigoths.
* In 1067, the "castrum BLANCAFORT" is mentioned in the presentation of tribute to the Lord Count of Barcelona.
* By 1100, the castle belonged to the abbey of Jaffus (now defunct). It seems that a turf war is contrasted with that of Alet.
* In 1119, the castrum appears in the bull of Pope Calixtus II. The "castrum BLANCAFORT" belongs to the abbey of Alet. But this was not in agreement with the lord of the castle.
* In 1125, Bernard Blancafort (lord of the castle?) Submits to Viscount Bernard Aton, freezing and its rights Blancafort the benefit of Alet.
* Around 1130, a story (but is it true?) Claims that the Templars were invited by the lord to exploit the gold mine. The mine was an excuse to justify production of precious metal "processing". Some say that gold came from the cast ingot in treasury Wisigoth; which was found in a cave.

By 1209, the beginning of the crusade against the Albigenses, the castle was conquered by the troops of Simon de Montfort.
* Around 1230, Lord William of Blancafort is forced to flee the royal forces. He joined the ranks of "faidit.
* By 1231, the companion in arms of Simon de Montfort, Pierre de Voisins, seized the castle and territory as property of the crusade. He became the new lord of Blanchafort (her new name), and made to pay heavy taxes to the people of this region.
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Around the stream of Coulers and the areas where in a field in 1860 a fifty kilo ingot was found and another one about 20 kilos was found made up of melted Arab coins.

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Pope John XXIII
Roncali is said to have been a initiate to the Rose Crux performed in Turkey
so say John XXIII prophecies

of which he wore a pectoral cross with the triangle and all seeing eye
There are many stories about John XXIII

like Sauniere's last words before he died

One is that when he opened the Secret of Fatima ." According to Kathleen A. Keating, however, author of The Final Warning: Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium, "John XXIII fainted when he read the third secret because it specifically states, according to eyewitnesses, that the Pope would betray the flock and turn his sheep over to the slaughter devised by Lucifer himself. John XXIII fainted because he thought he would be the Pope who would open the door to Satan and that he would be the long awaited antipope."
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Jean Robin was able to write:

"On the lips of the dying man, his friend, Dr Courrent, according to some hagiographers, was able to hear a mysterious name, uttered in final appeal; John XXIII."

[urlhttp://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/bedu/endofdream.html][/url]

Some have said it was Douzet who started the firat myth of John 23
but I see some say it was De Sede or others
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there are the Prophecies of John 23
in 1976 by a book called The Prophecies of Pope John XXIII. The book was allegedly a compilation of obscure prophetic prose written by the Pontiff. In addition, the book also maintained that Pope John XXIII was secretly a member of the Rose-Croix, (a subtitle for the Prieure de Sion) with whom he had become affiliated while acting as papal nuncio to Turkey in 1935.

It really is a bizarre book

The Portugal Daily News
(November 11, 2002)

Fátima International (FI), an historic review organisation with offices in Australia, USA, Paraguay and Portugal, has issued a further press release claiming that Cardinal Angelo Roncalli, who was elected as Pope John XXlll in 1958, was a Freemason. In 1994 the Portuguese newspapers “O Dia” and “Correio de Domingo” published a summary of FI’s investigations into the case, which stated that Pope John XXlll [Roncalli] had been initiated into a secret society, the Order of Rosicrucians, whilst serving as the Vatican’s Charge d´Affairs in Paris during 1935.

A spokesman for FI told THE NEWS that Virgilio Guito, former head of the Italian Grande Oriente Masonic Lodges, in a statement published by the French newspaper “30 Days”, said: “It seems that Pope John XXIII has been initiated in Paris, and participated in the works of the Lodges in Istanbul”. The spokesman said that as leader of Italian Masonry, Guito would be in a position to know with certainty if Angelo Roncalli had been initiated into the Order in Paris. “It would be incredibly reckless of him to make such a statement if it were not true” he said.


http://www.opusdeialert.com/roncaliamason.htm

in 1976 the Vatican had failed to respond to the Italian journal, Burghese, which had published a list of over one hundred bishops and cardinals who it claimed were Freemasons. The list was purported to have been taken from the Italian Masonic Register and included the initiation dates and code names assigned to each of the clerics involved.


this is an article by Art Bell
http://www.euro-tongil.org/swedish/english/epope.htm

It seems in 1962
The Diary alleges that the Pope had a vision of heavenly friends

July 2,1962

The Madonna tells me this will be her final visit. It is a joyous one for she shares tremendous news. As the year 1998 arrives, our heavenly friends will have shared much of their advanced knowledge. Mankind will at last wipe out most of it's diseases and our life span will increase to the length of those listed in the bible. The visitors will also share the remarkable power of resurrection and throngs of wrongly dead will rise again.
Finally a wondrous miracle will take place in the sky above New York City December 25, 2000 when millions will witness the sensational appearance of a messiah who will announce the beginning of a second paradise here on earth.

obviously the New York thing didn't happen
what did happen was 2001 Twin Towers destruction

Now this gets a bit more bizarre
because the Vatican has launched Lucifer 1

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=10749

There seems to be alot of agendas that circle Pope John XXIII

What it means is a mystery so Sauniere whispering it as his last words
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Mario Draghi, the European Central Bank president who pulled the Continent back from the financial brink late last year, is facing an even more daunting challenge as the debt crisis in Spain deepens. But this time, he may have a harder time fashioning a rescue plan that will work.



In a warning to political leaders, Mr. Draghi told members of the European Parliament on Thursday that the central bank is reaching the limits of its powers and now it is up to politicians to move quickly and decisively because the survival of the euro [EUR=X 1.2377 0.0018 (+0.15%) ], the Continent’s common currency, is at stake. The structure of the currency union, he said, had become “unsustainable unless further steps are undertaken.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/47642132
Today is the lowest level I have seen of the Euro/dollar
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In the late twentieth century, more vivid stories circulated among traditionalist Catholics, according to which in that century Satan would be particularly powerful. They recounted that Pope Leo XIII was climbing the steps to the altar when he suddenly stopped, stared fixedly at something in the air and with a terrible look on his face, collapsed to the floor (some accounts say he fell shrieking). The Pope was carried off by those around him to another room where he came around. As one rendition of the story tells it:

"When asked what had happened, he explained that, as he was about to leave the foot of the altar, he suddenly heard voices - two voices, one kind and gentle, the other guttural and harsh. They seemed to come from near the tabernacle. As he listened, he heard the following conversation:

The guttural voice, the voice of Satan in his pride, boasted to Our Lord: "I can destroy your Church."
The gentle voice of Our Lord: "You can? Then go ahead and do so."
Satan: "To do so, I need more time and more power."
Our Lord: "How much time? How much power?"
Satan: "75 to 100 years, and a greater power over those who will give themselves over to my service."
Our Lord: "You have the time, you will have the power. Do with them what you will

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_to_Saint_Michael

So the prayer to Saint Michael the Archangel was added to after Lower Mass

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The practice of reciting these prayers after Mass was suppressed in 1964

by Pope Paul VI who followed Pope John XXIII and started Vatican II

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/02/us/nuns-speak-about-vatican-criticism.html?_r=3&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1338670337-9D6tx7suDFzUqgxQVarukw

American Nuns Vow to Fight Vatican Criticism

The American nuns who were harshly condemned by the Vatican in April as failing to uphold Catholic doctrine finally responded on Friday in their own strong terms, saying the Vatican’s assessment was based on “unsubstantiated accusations” and a “flawed process,” and has caused scandal, pain and polarization in the Roman Catholic Church.

The nuns issued a statement after six weeks of virtual silence, during which their religious communities across the country mulled over the Vatican’s startling pronouncement, and Catholics across the country rallied to support the nuns. The Vatican had announced it would dispatch three American bishops to lead a complete makeover of the sisters’ principal organization, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, which represents about 80 percent of the nation’s 57,000 nuns.

After three days of discussion and prayer in Washington this week, the 21 national board members of the group decided they could not accept the Vatican’s verdict, and would send their president and executive director to Rome on June 12 to open a dialogue with Vatican officials.
“Here you see women, very competent, highly educated, doctorates in theology, masters in ministry, C.E.O.’s of hospitals, heads of school systems, being treated as if they were children,” she said. “That in itself goes to the issue of where are the women in the decision-making structures in Rome.”

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In 1944, Lucia wrote out the third prophecy, as she said she heard it as a 10-year-old girl in 1917, sealed it and presented it to Portugal's Bishop of Leiria. She told him that Our Lady's instructions were that it was not to be revealed to the public until 1960. The Bishop turned over the prophecy to the Vatican. In 1960, Paul John XXIII opened the sealed prophecy and read it, and the faithful anxiously awaited its promised revelation. But it was not to be. In apparent defiance of the Blessed Mother's instructions, the Pope refused to reveal the contents of the prophecy saying, "This prophecy does not relate to my time." According to Kathleen A. Keating, however, author of The Final Warning: Your Survival Guide to the New Millennium, "John XXIII fainted when he read the third secret because it specifically states, according to eyewitnesses, that the Pope would betray the flock and turn his sheep over to the slaughter devised by Lucifer himself. John XXIII fainted because he thought he would be the Pope who would open the door to Satan and that he would be the long awaited antipope."

http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa070300b.htm

Kathleen A. Keating wrote of the recent revelation: "The Third Secret of Fatima is still a secret. In the press release issued by the Vatican today, the public was made privy to, at best, a watered down version of one sentence of the true secret. This ridiculous revelation bears no resemblance to the remarks made by Pope John Paul II in Fatima, May 13, 2000, when he said that we are in fact in the midst of Revelation-Chapter 12, verse 3: And another sign in heaven; and behold a great Red Dragon, having seven heads, and ten horns; and on his heads seven diadems… I have a source, deep inside the Vatican, who let me know some time ago that what would be revealed today would only distantly resemble the actual Third Secret, that it would be pared down, containing very little fact."
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Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born.

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http://itccs.org/2012/05/04/catholic-church-faces-disruption-and-banishment-as-irish-cardinal-set-to-resign/

A Communiqué from ITCCS International
Brussels and Dublin:

The Roman Catholic Church faces permanent disruption and banishment in at least five countries if it does not comply with ten “non-negotiable measures” by September 15, 2012, according to a global coalition of survivors of church rape and torture.
The list of measures was issued today at a meeting in Dublin, Ireland between Archbishop Dermot Martin and representatives of Anti Catholic Church Activists Worldwide (ACCAW), Magdalene Laundry survivors, and the International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State – Ireland (ITCCS).
ITCCS in Dublin, Ireland

The measures demanded of the Catholic Church include the defrocking of all child raping priests, the licensing of all other clergy as public servants, the return of the remains of all who died under Church care, the annulment of tax exemptions and other Church privileges, and the return of all of the Church’s wealth generated by the exploitation of children.

I'll add one more thing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/8663451/Is-Ireland-divorcing-from-the-Catholic-Church.html

Is Ireland divorcing from the Catholic Church?
In the wake of the sex abuse scandals, an anti-Vatican mood is sweeping the land.

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My goodness Plantards European Union
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/04/eu-weighs-federal-europe-plan

Germany weighs up federal Europe plan to end debt crisis

Calls for 'banking union' to save euro after Paris and Brussels support Spain's plea for EU rescue of its beleaguered banks
The plan could see vast national debt and banking liabilities pooled – and then backed by the financial strength of Germany – in return for eurozone governments surrendering sovereignty over their budgets and fiscal policies to a central eurozone authority.

Spain's banking crisis, together with extreme volatility in Greece ahead of the rerun general election on 17 June and the French parliamentary poll on the same day, are compounding the febrile atmosphere and worrying the markets.

A "gang of four" – the European council president, the commission chief, the president of the European Central Bank and the head of the eurogroup of 17 finance ministers – has been charged with drafting the proposals for a deeper eurozone fiscal union, to be presented to an EU summit at the end of the month.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jun/04/eurozone-crisis-united-states-europe?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487

Merkel appeared to be calling not only Hollande's but France's bluff. By announcing there could be no censorship of the eurozone to-do list, she meant tabling radical, federalist steps involving gradual loss of national sovereignty over budgetary, fiscal, social, pensions, and labour market policies with the aim of forging a new European political union over five to 10 years.

The USE – United States of Europe – is back. For the eurozone, at least. Such "political union", surrendering fundamental powers to Brussels, Luxembourg and Strasbourg, has always been several steps too far for the French to consider.

A new revived series of Vaincre appeared during the late 1980s, containing a "good luck message from Valéry Giscard d'Estaing", proponent of the United States of Europe.

Valéry Marie René Georges Giscard d'Estaing

Vaincre was about the United States of Europe
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He is a proponent of the United States of Europe and, having limited his involvement in national politics after his defeat, he became involved with the European Union. He notably presided over the Convention on the Future of the European Union that drafted the ill-fated Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe. He took part, with a prominent role, in the annually held Bilderberg private conference.

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La solidite financiere de l'Allemagne est une illusion soigneusement entretenue. Il faut se familiariser avec l'Accord de Londres de 1953 sur la Dette Exterieure de l'Allemagne et ensuite faire quelques recherches.


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Tertius wrote:
La solidite financiere de l'Allemagne est une illusion soigneusement entretenue. Il faut se familiariser avec l'Accord de Londres de 1953 sur la Dette Exterieure de l'Allemagne et ensuite faire quelques recherches.


Tertius I hope I translate this right
The financial soundness of the Germany is an illusion nurtured carefully. We must familiarize themselves with the London Agreement of 1953 on the external debt of Germany and then do some research.
Lovuian Je ne parle pas français
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It is interesting
The Bildebergers have just met and have probably picked Mitt Romney's Vice President
The Rothshilds and Rockefellars are united

The Vatican has announced
a document on global financial reform prepared by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, translated in four languages, “with a view toward a general public authority.”

The ideas refer back to a 1963 papal encyclical that suggested, “The universal common good presents us with problems, which are worldwide in their dimensions; problems, therefore, which cannot be solved except by a public authority with power, organization and means co-extensive with these problems, and with a worldwide sphere of activity.”

Pope Benedict XVI already has said there was “an urgent need of a true world political authority.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/23/inside-the-beltway-407343036/?page=all#pagebreak

I believe that they suggest a World Bank also

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lovuian wrote:
Tertius wrote:
La solidite financiere de l'Allemagne est une illusion soigneusement entretenue. Il faut se familiariser avec l'Accord de Londres de 1953 sur la Dette Exterieure de l'Allemagne et ensuite faire quelques recherches.


Tertius I hope I translate this right
The financial soundness of the Germany is an illusion nurtured carefully. We must familiarize themselves with the London Agreement of 1953 on the external debt of Germany and then do some research.
Lovuian Je ne parle pas français
I'll try just for you

It is interesting
The Bildebergers have just met and have probably picked Mitt Romney's Vice President
The Rothshilds and Rockefellars are united

The Vatican has announced
a document on global financial reform prepared by the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, translated in four languages, “with a view toward a general public authority.”

The ideas refer back to a 1963 papal encyclical that suggested, “The universal common good presents us with problems, which are worldwide in their dimensions; problems, therefore, which cannot be solved except by a public authority with power, organization and means co-extensive with these problems, and with a worldwide sphere of activity.”

Pope Benedict XVI already has said there was “an urgent need of a true world political authority.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/23/inside-the-beltway-407343036/?page=all#pagebreak

I believe that they suggest a World Bank also


I just thought I'd add this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agreement_ ... rnal_Debts
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Agreement on German External Debts
The London Agreement on German External Debts, also known as the London Debt Agreement, was a debt relief treaty between the Federal Republic of Germany on one part and on Belgium, Canada, Ceylon, Denmark, the French Republic, Greece, Iran, Ireland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Norway, Pakistan, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, the Union of South Africa, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the United States of America, and Yugoslavia and others. The negotiations lasted from February 27 - August 8, 1953 [1] The London Debt Agreement covers a number of different types of debt from before and after the Second World War. Some of them arose directly out of the efforts to finance the reparations system, while others reflect extensive lending, mostly by U.S. investors, to German firms and governments.

In the London Agreement, the German government under Chancellor Konrad Adenauer undertook to repay the external debts incurred by German government between 1919-1945.[1]

The total under negotiation was 16 billion marks of debts from the 1920s which had defaulted in the 1930s, but which Germany decided to repay to restore its reputation. This money was owed to government and private banks in the U.S., France and Britain. Another 16 billion marks represented postwar loans by the U.S. Under the London Debts Agreement of 1953, the repayable amount was reduced by 50% to about 15 billion marks and stretched out over 30 years, and compared to the fast-growing German economy were of minor impact.[2]

The agreement significantly contributed to the growth of the post-war German economy and reemergence of Germany as a world economical power. It allowed Germany to enter international economic institutions such as the World Bank, International Monetary Fund and World Trade Organization.

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I was just watching a BBC showing of a program about the first round-the-world trip by a Zeppelin in 1929. The film was based on the diary of Lady Grace Drummond-Hay, the only woman on board. She was reporting for the Hearst 'media' corporation. In that, it is stated (as if fact) that the German reparation from the first war was set to run for 59 years from 1929 (the date of the Zeppelin round the world flight), effectively ending in 1989. It seems it was based on some fact - see http://history.state.gov/milestones/1921-1936/Dawes. So Lady Hay was obviously talking about the Young - Dawes plans of the 1920's (and specifically the Young plan of 1929).
My understanding was that the strict financial restrictions imposed by Europe and the US on Germany was one of the major contributors to the rise of the National Socialists.

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Tertius wrote:
La solidite financiere de l'Allemagne est une illusion soigneusement entretenue. Il faut se familiariser avec l'Accord de Londres de 1953 sur la Dette Exterieure de l'Allemagne et ensuite faire quelques recherches.



Un peu churlish Roger, but not unexpected point of view from a francophile/francophone.

Perhaps we should dig even deeper into the past and examine post Napoleonic war debts? Having come close to repudiating the old regime's debts, the French thought the better of it and coughed up eventually, fearing loss of access to world credit markets much like the Germans in the early 1950s.

I wonder if the French will get to repay their current foreign debts. They could always leave the Euro and back a new Franc with the mountains of butter held in stockpile - a gold standard of sorts. :lol:

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