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Sunrise Beltane Glastonbury

Totally out of place but this picture reminded me of a news story here today where a turkey hunter was shot in the face, that fellow should be careful while out playing dress-up.

Bingo!



Roscoe
The Green Man
Rosslyn's architecture is the presence of 'Green Men'. These are carvings of human faces with greenery all around them, often growing out of their mouths. They are commonly thought to be a symbol of renewal and fertility, pre-Christian in origin. In Rosslyn they are found in all areas of the chapel, with one excellent example in the Lady Chapel, between the two middle altars of the east wall. It has been hypothesized that the green men in Rosslyn symbolism the months of the year in progression from East to West in the Chapel.

Young faces are seen in the East symbolizing Spring and as we progress towards the setting sun in the west the carvings age as in autumn of man's years. There are in excess of 110 carvings of Green men in and around the Chapel.

110 of them

Ya think they made their point


He has 8 vines coming from him

Osiris had green skin reflecting the Vegetative god ...The Green Man is everywhere
http://quezi.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/rosslyn-green-man.jpg

The cross in the crypt of Rosslyn dating back to 13th century
http://sinclair.quarterman.org/rhuseth/rosslynchapeltemplargravestone.jpg
its

Tour Magdala
Jean Lhuilier, the mayor of Rennes-le-Chateau, receives a letter from Jean-Louis Génibrel

"At the beginning of the construction of the tower Magdala, Rennes - le-Château [...] the grandfather of my uncle, who was the foreman, helped Father Saunière to bury at least one box and" other items under the the tower. "
from Ben Hammot's website
http://www.benhammott.com/excavation-rennes-le-chateau.html

Eisenman scanned the floor of the Tour
When the ultrasound had been completed and the results studied, the scientists discovered an anomaly beneath the tower. It seemed to be a wooden object as no metal was detected, so no gold here then. This object, which was described as a chest or a trunk measuring approx 90cm x 120cm, was buried 4 m deep below the tower. (4m must be a misprint or mistake as the scans clearly show the anomaly little more than half a meter below the surface - maybe the measurement got confused with the church scan.)

from Ben's article or should I call him Bill
Serena Tajé, doctor of theology, was also present.
Serena Tajé has been reported of saying, "the trunk could contain documents that could shed light on the founding myth of the church." Which seems a strange thing to say.

More controversy was caused by some of the other statements that she was reported as having made. Newspaper reports quoted her as saying, 'It could be a question of a document that will challenge the history of the Catholic Church!… Unless it is a tangible sign of the presence in this place (a presence attested to by the holy texts) of Jesus's judge, of that same Herod Antipas who stopped here, at Rennes-le-Château, on the path of exile, in the company of a certain Mary the Madgalenian.'

But one of Dr Tajé's reported comments eclipsed even these statements when she jokingly stated during dinner that, 'The Church has given me the mission of destroying any compromising documents that we might find'. Although it seems only to have been said in jest many people took it as a serious remark, including Leopold Sanchez, who reported these remarks in Le Figaro Magazine on July 7, "Serena Tajé is also the Special Envoy of the Vatican!"

Although Serena does do work for the Vatican she also works for many other organizations.

The verse is translated in the KJV as follows, "Unto Shem also, the father of all the children of Eber, the brother of Japheth the elder, even to him were children born"

there seems to be debate
on birth order
Japheth has been believed by some to be the progenitor of the peoples of Europe.

In medieval Europe, the world was believed to have been divided into three large-scale racial groupings. In addition to the Japhetic peoples of Europe, the Semitic peoples were equated with all Middle-easterners, Arabs and Israelites, and Hamitic peoples with Africans.

Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews, I.VI.122 (Whiston). Josephus wrote:

Japhet, the son of Noah, had seven sons: they inhabited so, that, beginning at the mountains Taurus and Amanus, they proceeded along Asia, as far as the river Tanais (Don), and along Europe to Cadiz; and settling themselves on the lands which they light upon, which none had inhabited before, they called the nations by their own names.

Josephus subsequently detailed the nations supposed to have descended from the seven sons of Japheth.

Among the nations that various later writers (including Jerome and Isidore of Seville, as well as other traditional accounts) have attempted to assign to them, are as follows:

Gomer: Scythians, Turks, Serbs, Croats, Armenians, Welsh, Picts, Irish, Germans (Teutons);
Magog: Scythians, Goths, Swedes, Finns, Huns, Slavs, Magyars (Hungarians), Irish;
Madai: Mitanni, Mannai, Medes, more generally Persians, or even more generally Indo-Aryans;
Javan: Ionians (Greeks)
Tubal: Tabali, Circassians, Georgians, Italics, Iberians, Basques;
Meshech: Phrygians, Meskheti, Moschoi, Illyrians;
Tiras: Thracians, Etruscans, Goths, Jutes, Teutons (Germans).

Theophilus was the High Priest in the Second Temple in Jerusalem from AD 37 to 41 according to Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews. He was a member of one of the wealthiest and most influential Jewish families in Iudaea Province during the 1st century. A growing belief[1] points to this person as the person to whom the Gospel of Luke is addressed.

Theophilus was the son of Annas and the brother of Eleazar, Jonathan, Matthias and Ananus, all of whom served as High Priests. He was also the brother-in-law of Joseph Caiaphas, the High Priest before whom Jesus appeared. In addition, his son Matthias served as the next to the last High Priest before the destruction of the Temple by the Romans.

Archeological evidence confirming the existence of Theophilus, as an ossuary has been discovered bearing the inscription, "Johanna granddaughter of Theophilus, the High Priest".[2]} The details of this ossuary have been published in the Israel Exploration Journal. Therefore Theophilus had at least one other son named Jonathan, father to Johanna. Johanna appears twice in the New Testament in the Gospel of Luke. First as one of women healed by Jesus who travels with Jesus and the disciples to Jerusalem. Her second appearance also in the Gospel of Luke is on Easter Sunday when she and other women visits the empty tomb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theophilus_ben_Ananus

In the Bible, she is one of the women recorded in the Gospel of Luke as accompanying Jesus and the twelve: "Mary, called Magdalene, ... and Joanna the wife of Herod's steward Chuza, and Susanna, and many others, who provided for them out of their resources" (Luke 8:2-3). She was therefore closely associated with Herod Antipas and was likely at his birthday party attended by the leading people of Galilee where John the Baptist was beheaded (Mark 6:21). She may have been one of John's disciples who buried him (Mt 14:12) as she is later among the women who went to prepare Jesus' body in Luke's account of the Resurrection.


Joanna is among a group of women who are the first resurrection witnesses, along with Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and other women (Luke 24:1). These women went to the apostles who thought their testimony about the risen Lord was nonsense, though Peter and some others decided to look at the tomb for themselves (Luke 24:12, 24). Joanna is therefore to be included in the 'ones with them' that Jesus calls witnesses (martures) (Luke 24:48). She is also one of the apostles mentioned in Acts 1:2-3 that Jesus chose. These apostles complied with Jesus' charge to remain in Jerusalem until they received the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:8 repeats Luke 24:48 by calling this group 'my witnesses (matures)'.

Acts 1:13-14 gives the list of these apostles as the eleven (cf. Acts 2:32; 3;15), the women, and Mary mother of Jesus, with his brothers (Acts 5:32). When the time came to choose a replacement for Judas the same criterion of witness (martures) from the beginning is used (Acts 1:21-22). Joanna, like Matthias and Joseph called Barsabas, was an eyewitness and apostle from the beginning.

Joanna is a very important person in the Jesus movement. She may even be the granddaughter of most excellent Theophilus. Archeological evidence confirming the existence of Theophilus, as an ossuary has been discovered bearing the inscription, "Johanna granddaughter of Theophilus, the High Priest"[2]

Both Richard J. Bauckham and Ben Witherington III conclude that the disciple Joanna is the same woman as the Christian Junia mentioned by Paul in his Epistle to the Romans (Romans 16:7). Paul says that Junia was famous among the apostles and that she was in the Lord before him which must be prior to 34 CE. She is likely therefore, given the evidence presented above, to have been a witness of everything from the time of the baptism of John (Acts 1:22).

If Herod Antipas was exiled to Lugdunum (Lyon) would he not take his steward with him? and Joanna?
Acts 1:1
The former treatise have I made , O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach
Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up , after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen :
Acts 1:3
To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. 6 When they therefore were come together , they asked of him, saying , Lord , wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. 9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld , he was taken up ; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey . 13 And when they were come in , they went up into an upper room, where abode both Peter, and James, and John, and Andrew, Philip, and Thomas, Bartholomew, and Matthew, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon Zelotes, and Judas the brother of James. 14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren. 15 And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said , (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,) 16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled , which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

The WOMEN were included according to Acts

To lovuian......

There may have been the sons of Noah exactly as described in the Bible, and they may have settled the lands exactly as described...however, the archaeological evidence proves there was no flood that wiped out all people in the world simultaneously...
Further, as described in 'Seven Daughters of Eve' by Brian Sykes, we are all related. So although Noah may have had sons who went their separate ways (Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia) there were already races of people established in those areas..the races did not spring from the sons of Noah-although a lot of genetic blending has occurred as man wanders the globe....The Bible represents the genealogy-history of one prominent family..just one....however, many others lived at the same time.The only difference is that their family records were not kept.

Much of North Africa is a beautiful blend of light and dark skinned people..Libyans, Ethiopians, Mauritians, Egyptians...Moroccans, are stunning and handsome people..their features existed since about 5,000 BCE according to geneticists as reverse migrations took place back into Africa-depending upon climate changes)...then if you could walk (or take a bus) through the Middle East, swing either north to Europe or east to Central Asia, you would not be aware of "races" because they blend so gradually....you become aware how much alike we all are...and how much we are also the product of events like wars and conquerors...resulting in sudden introduction of genes from far away and long ago. I have never seen so many eye colors in people as seen in Central Asia, and places like Pakistan and Afghanistan..the most incredible shades of yellow, gold, and all shades of blues and greens. It seems like every conqueror and explorer left a little gene packet behind that turns up from time to time in surprising and unexpected places. And so although I believe there is an element of truth in such Biblical stories, they have to be read against the modern background that geneticists can now apply to the evolution of mankind.
I tried to delete one of the pictures and replace it with another that I meant to insert...but I could not find the delete button... I need some practice with things here..

Shasta
I think the Bible is only one story about the Great Deluge
I think that story is in almost every country in the world's myths

epic of Gilgamesh goes back even earlier

Hey speaking of the Green Man and Nature
Did you all see the Tornadoes in France?
http://youtu.be/wLwRDPZjIic

La tornade aurait été aperçue la première fois peu avant 19 heure, non loin de Bérat située à une trentaine de kilomètres au sud-ouest de Toulouse. Puis elle a été observée remontant vers le Labastidette, Seysses, en direction de Portet-sur-Garonne, avant de continuer sa course vers Toulouse. Compte-tenu de la distance qui sépare son point d'apparition et l'agglomération toulousaine, le phénomène aurait donc pu durer une vingtaine de minutes au moins. Pour l'heure, outre quelques arbres déracinées, l'exploitation agricole de Xavier Bordese située à Seysses a été frappée de plein fouet par la tornade comme en témoignent les dégâts sur place : tuiles envolées, toit de hangar arraché, murs effondrés et véhicules endommagés. Heureusement aucune victime n'est à déplorer

I hope Everyone is OK and safe


A tornado touched down in the countryside of southern France on Sunday, presenting a spectacular opportunity for camera-wielding witnesses.

Only minor damage was reported, the EarthSky website said on Monday. A French website, Meteorologic, called the tornado an F-1, implying highest winds of 73-112 mph (about 115 to 180 km/h).
Violent tornadoes are rare in France, EarthSky said. However, an Aug. 3, 2008, a twister tore through the town of Hautmont and several other towns, killing four people.

One wonders if these may increase in the future

Hi Lovuian,
I think what makes the Noah epic a standout is because the genealogy was traced from Noah and his sons...
and this family was followed for thousands of years! Wow.

The tornadoes look awful..yes, I think we will be seeing a lot of climate change...global warming has accelerated everything..

Man dressed in Reindeer antlers.


Paleolithic cave drawing Cresswell Crags Derbyshire. Good place to take the kids and much better since they moved the sewage treatment works.


Around 12000 years ago.

Perhaps we can get Sheila to remind us what Reindeer is in French.

Perhaps you should be asking Renne instead?

Well 15,000 BCE to 7,000 BCE is called l'Age du Renne by the French.

Although some have given it another name.

THE MAGDALENIAN

Largely due to finding a woman from the period in the Vézère valley in the Dordogne.

IN A GRAVE THAT IS PENTAGONAL

Did you know that Saunière was seven years old when Darwin wrote On the Origin of Species?

Have a nice day.

In the movie The Man from Earth, the protagonist claims that he is a 14,000 year old Magdalenian, i. e., Cro-Magnon.
You have a nice day too Roscoe..

Did you know that the Neanderthal had a larger brain than modern humans.

They were too smart to survive.

It gives some hope to several on here I could name.

"The most important aspect of inventiveness is not the ability to invent, but the ability to transmit and to preserve innovations." (This sentence amuses me)

Oh and by the way

Large numbers of Neanderthal remains have been found on Mt Carmel, Israel.

The Pentagonal Grave of The Magdalenian from l'Age du Renne

Excavated in 1911 but found some twenty years earlier.

Bless her!

Number of Reindeer remains found in the same cave

1558

You can stay here

It's right next to where they imprisoned a lot of the Knights Templar and the cell graffiti they left is enigmatic.


Made by a Templar with a bit of time on his hands

Très intéressant ? N'est-ce Pas?

Everything is connected, names, dates, Templars, reindeer, caves, graffiti, Neanderthals, sausage, urine, and there are no coincidences...

No Roscoe, Neanderthals have a LARGER CRANIAL CAPACITY than modern humans. Unless you have a scientific dissertation proving that the Neanderthal BRAIN is/was larger, go take a powder. Once again, you are way out of your depth.
Sperm whales have the largest animal brain known, are they the smartest? Do you equate brain size with intelligence? Prove it. How do you define intelligence anyway? Any suggestions?
Oh, and by the way, the sperm whale's cranial capacity is not all brain, giving an example even you should be able to understand, that cranial capacity does not necessarily equate to brain size. Let's have another apple in the bottom of the barrel chum.

Vacancies for two in local villages
Apply here.

Wow, that's amazing!
You've seen the records that confirms this graffiti was done in the first two decades of the 14th century
and definitely not by anyone else in the next 700 years with 'time on his hands'?

TD

I blame the water, too much lead in it. Lowers the IQ

Sorry, Roscoe, whats the lead in the water got to do with proving your statement?

TD

Proving my statement?

Wha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!!!

It's quite sad really I suppose.

“There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance - that principle is contempt prior to investigation” - Herbert Spencer.

Got any proof that Jesus ever existed?

You posted a pic proporting to show grafitti made by 'Templars' rather than anyone else in the intervening 700 years .
Is this based on anything more tangible than repeating a legend ?

With regards to Jesus; Can you show me where I said he DID exist ??

I agree with you, it is quite sad............I politely asked what your comment was based on. You went straight to abuse.
Why not just answer or be honest if you cannot?

TD

indeed, when have you ever done that? freaking hilarious

You didn't want an answer, I could tell this by the flippant way you asked. I keep telling you but you half-wits but you don't seem to be getting it.

Stop talking AT me and start talking TO me.

OK you want an answer?

Here's my answer

G O O G L E the word D O M M E

You wouldn't be just having a go at me would you? Just because I tried to rescue the forum from all the decent posters leaving because of wall to wall drivel being posted.

You wouldn't be suffering from Cognitive Dissonance would you?

Just because I'm more educated than you lot on the subject of Nazi concentration camps and is brave enough to dare to jolt you ignorant twats from the brain washed state you're in.

Live with it Sonny, there's a lot more where that came from.

PS Currently hovering over the ignore button on YOU as well. probably should do it anyway as the records show you haven't posted anything remotely interesting since you arrived here.

ROTFLMAO!

Your crusade to save the forum is based on high quality research on GOOGLE?
This puts you in the same category as dear ol' Renne and Lovuian !
I bet you aspire to be the kind of 'respected researcher' who came a cropper so spectacularly recently!

Google? That puts your Nazi revisionism into context I suppose

I'm guessing the inability to communicate without abusive comment is as a result of a medical condition.

google? Like mastercard that's absolutely priceless!!!

Kindest regards,
TD