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That could be my self-portrait.....

I was watching some Horizon prog on BBC4 last night about dogs. I didn't realise that it was only about 30 years ago that they confirmed that dogs were off shoots from wolves. I mean did we just forget what we did? Some dude was explaining how you could domesticate wolves over a period of a thousand years. I thought all you need is to capture 2 cubs at an early age, bring them up, domesticate and mate them, domesticate their offspring etc etc I reckon job done in 4 years. Instead of the 10mill they spent on research I could have told them that for about 500k (I'm cheap)
I think we far underestimate the intelligence of our ancestors. I'm not sure our brain has changed too much, we've always been clever buggers

Agreed. We're a resourceful and tenacious bunch, that's for sure.

Talking of remote controls etc i remember the days of only three channels plus the screen going all crackly and hissy after the national anthem. "and please, don't forget to switch off your set". Happy days.

The crackly and hissy sounds are the residue of the Big Bang.

thats classic

I'm so in agreement with you there Davinho
when I see the amazing things our ancestors did I'm in awe

talk about circles and don't ask me why the Indian is on the top

I just got back from Hawass King Tut exhibit at the Houston Museum
to my surprise I found out that the
Meandros or pattern on the Rennes Chateau floor

has an Egyptian hieroglyph related to it


it is the letter H or another meaning is House


Amiens Cathedral has the design too ...Greek yes but Egyptian also


Another pattern on here at the Amiens
has a Egyptian heiroglyph
that would be

it is the letter N ... or the symbol for Water

Its hard to see the wood floor below the altar
if anybody has a better picture please share

from what I can tell its triangular
forming an X

oh and speaking of Houses

and let us say Rennes Chateau is a House of Love
I love this video
http://youtu.be/Kav0FEhtLug

Abbe Boudet talked about the Language of the Birds or the Language of the Angels
the first language
and as we have seen some languages use symbols such as Runes or Heiroglyphs

maybe the Crop circles have a language
and could this be a very prehistoric one

Rennes Chateaus's water font has the angels over the demon and the Holy Water crushes down on the demon

http://www.benhammott.com/1983%20Rennes-le-Chateau%20photographs/holy-water-demon-full-sm.jpg
it is about positive and negative ...the angels positive and the demon negative
in between the circular shell that holds the water

it seems underground aquifers which have minerals help conduct electric current
Crop circles tend to form over the English aquifers


what you will see is a standing wave
The orginal torus/torsion field consisted of two poles. A negative pole and a positive pole. The positive pole emits energy out of it, while the negative pole consumes energy into it. Each pole forms a spiral of moving energy around it but moving in opposite directions. In the very center of each spiral is a calm place where no spin at all exists, but near infinite 'vertical' movement is present. This is the null zone or calm in the eye of the storm. When seen on end, the two spirals overlap and form the pattern above, which is sometimes called a double standing wave lotus.

great article on crop circle language
http://www.freewebs.com/cropcirclelanguage/

this is resonance
of clockwise movement
and anticlockwise movement
http://youtu.be/sY6z2hLgYuY

We have the sun rotation in the galaxy and also a black hole in the galaxy
we have matter and antimatter
bi-polar field/Torsion field.

Celtic Spiral at New Grange

The Rose Window at St Denis
that Abbe Sugar created
North transept Rose window, subject: The Creation, with God at the centre, the six days of Creation, the Zodiac representing the order of the heavens, the labours representing the order of the earth, Adam and Eve eating the fruit and being expelled from Eden.

the Language of Angels?

The Middle Ages use of Blues and Reds ...reflects again the negative and positive
extremes on the light spectrum

Now let us look at this Rose Window at St Denis
Founded in the 7th century by Dagobert I on the burial place of Saint Denis, a patron saint of France, the church became a place of pilgrimage and the burial place of the French Kings, nearly every king from the 10th to the 18th centuries being buried there, as well as many from the previous centuries.

Dagobert the I founded St Denis...Merovingian king
He was the last Merovingian dynast to wield any real royal power.
on the hill of Mountmarte
Dagobert was immortalized in the song Le bon roi Dagobert (The Good King Dagobert), a nursery rhyme featuring exchanges between the king and his chief adviser, Saint Eligius (Eloi in French). The satirical rhymes place Dagobert in various ridiculous positions from which Eligius' good advice manages to extract him. The text, which probably originated in the 18th century, became extremely popular as an expression of the anti-monarchist sentiment of the French Revolution.

This is a song the Cajuns sang in New Orleans

Now for the window was designed in the 12th century...
we see the triangle with the rays coming forth


We also see the Zodiac surrounded by the 6 petal rose which is like the Star of Solomon the Hexagon
this is Gemini


What is really interesting is that on the real the four fixed cardinal points are in their exact positions as if they were in the sky above

Aldebaran Aquarius Scorpio and Leo

these are the symbols also for the lion angel eagle angel bull angel and man angel

The whole Zodiac of 12 are involved in the tale of Genesis

In 1091, at the age of ten, Suger was given as an oblate to the abbey of St. Denis, where he began his education. He trained at the priory of Saint-Denis de l'Estrée, and there first met the future king Louis VI of France. From 1104 to 1106, Suger attended another school, perhaps that attached to the abbey of Saint-Benoît-sur-Loire. In 1106 he became secretary to the abbot of Saint-Denis. In the following year he became provost of Berneval in Normandy, and in 1109 of Toury. In 1118, Louis VI sent Suger to the court of Pope Gelasius II at Maguelonne (at Montpellier, Gulf of Lyon), and he lived from 1121 to 1122 at the court of Gelasius's successor, Calixtus II.

Gelasius II to go once more into exile. He set out for France, consecrating the cathedral of Pisa on the way, and arrived at Marseille in October. He was received with great enthusiasm at Avignon, Montpellier and other cities, held a synod at Vienne in January 1119, and was planning to hold a general council to settle the investiture contest when he died at Cluny.

On his return from Maguelonne, Suger became abbot of St-Denis.
He was placed as Regent for France while the King and Eleanor went on Crusade

As Michel Camille and Michael Cothren have ably demonstrated elsewhere, the cathedral represented the new Jerusalem first intimated in Ezekiel’s apocalypse from the Old Testament (Ezekiel 40:2-43:27) and culminating in John’s apocalypse from the New Testament, where the cathedral becomes a representative Neoplatonic shadow on earth of the heavenly tabernacle. For Suger, the gates and foundations of Jerusalem were seen in the Book of Revelation 21:2-25 as precious stones:

“the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven…having the glory of God, and her light like a most precious stone, even like a jasper clear as crystal…and the city was pure gold, like clear glass…whose foundations were garnished with all manner of gems: jasper, sapphire, chalcedony, emerald, sardonyx, sardius, chrysolite, beryl, topaz, chrysoprase, jacinth, amethyst…”

As Suger wrote, De administratione 23: “the multicolored loveliness of the gems has called me away…transporting me from material to immaterial things…26: the dull mind rises to truth through that which is material and in seeing this light is resurrected from its former submersion...33: Thus, when out of my delight in the House of God, the loveliness of the multi-colored gems has called me away from external cares, and worthy meditation has caused me to reflect, transferring that which is material to that which is immaterial... 34: [The Tree of Jesse window] urges us onward from the material to the immaterial...These windows are very valuable on account of their wonderful execution and the profuse expenditure of sapphire and colored glass.” In his dissertations and journals, “Suger …wrote explicitly of color. light and brilliance, all qualities of stained glass, as essential aspects of the purpose of religious architecture. He referred to ‘sapphire glass’ suggesting that the intense blue windows at Saint-Denis is to be understood as having the same importance as gems.” (2)



The first Gothic collection of glass that Abbé Suger innovated at St. Denis between 1140-1144 was tinged with a Dionysian “academism” (3) however steeped in mysticism

a Neoplatonist theologian circa 500 CE. Pseduo-Dionysius allegorized God as heavenly “light” and Jesus as earthly image thereof of that “Light” from the Gospel of John 1:4-5 and 9 "In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness, and the darkness did not overcome it...[He] was the true Light which lights every man who comes into the world." a metaphysical explanation of light taken from scripture or commentaries
http://traumwerk.stanford.edu/philolog/2006/01/abbe_sugers_theory_of_light_lu.html
A wonderful article on Abbe Sugers theory of light

Suger himself poetically described some of his windows, here the Burning Bush panel of the Moses window (Saint-Denis Abbey, North III): "Just as the bush is seen to burn yet is not consumed, So he who is full of the divine fire burns yet is not consumed."

Ephesians 5:8, “Now are you light, walk as children of light; I Epistle of John 1:7, “Walk in the light as He is in the light.”)

the first two gems of the New Jerusalem, jasper (normally red) and sapphire (blue) in Revelation 21:19. Judging by extant window fragments, Suger certainly preferred blue (sapphire).
red often represented earthly passion, sanguinity of blood, and the corporeal body while blue, "the color of heaven"

spiritual aspiration, celestial sky and the promise of eternity. Naturally the two colors could be easily seen in the dualistic tensions of life as embattled humans have always been torn between two natures: body and soul, material and immaterial, earth and heaven.

the Caiphas Ossuaries
http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Glossary/GlossaryPix/Ossuary%20Caiaphas%20Qapha%20permission%20650x432.jpg
Shoshanna ...lily or six petal rose

the other more ornate one
http://www.biblelandpictures.com/gallery/gallery%2FARCHEOLOGY%2FTOMBS%20AND%20BURIALS%2F2891-4-Caiphas-Ossuary.jpg

alet les Bains
http://sacredfrance.com/alet_1.jpg



The cross at the top of the Stations of the Cross at Rennes have a six petal rose in its center
the Rennes one is pink and the Mouthmet one's rose is in Blue
the middle rose in the center of the cross which is six petals

Crop circle
August 6, 1991. Cheesefoot Head, Near Winchester, Hampshire
Heart Chakra
Star of David at White Horse
17 June 2003, Milk Hill, Alton Barnes, Wiltshire
(The geometry fits with the heart chakra symbol.

Ivaldi posted a Rennes Chateua Star Map
http://www.theholygrail.com/007.html

on the star chart is Orion where Sougraine is located
Virgo has Laval and Cavirac

Ezekiel's chariot


concept of the Merkabah is associated with Ezekiel's vision (1:4-26)
According to the verses in Ezekiel and its attendant commentaries, his vision consists of a chariot made of many heavenly beings driven by the "Likeness of a Man.

Jewish apocalyptists also engaged in visionary exegeses concerning the divine realm and the divine creatures which are remarkably similar to the rabbinic material. A small number of texts unearthed at Qumran indicate that the Dead Sea community also engaged in merkabah exegesis. Recently uncovered Jewish mystical texts also evidence a deep affinity with the rabbinic merkabah homilies.

In Christianity, the man, lion, ox, and eagle are used as symbols for the four evangelists
Ezekiel's phrase “glory of YHWH” (glory of Yahweh) describes the presence of the God of Israel which filled the Temple. The “glory of YHWH” was also revealed in the form of light-filled cloud which accompanied the Israelites during the Exodus to the Promised Land

Ezekiel appears briefly in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but his influence there was profound, most notably in the Temple Scroll with its temple plans, and the defence of the Zadokite priesthood in the Damascus Document
In Revelation 21-23, as in the closing visions of Ezekiel, the prophet is transported to a high mountain, where a heavenly messenger measures the symmetrical new Jerusalem, complete with high walls and twelve gates, the dwelling-place of God, producing a state of perfect well-being for his people

The Temple Scroll is one of the longest of the Dead Sea Scroll
It describes a Jewish temple which has never been built along with extensive detailed regulations about sacrifices and temple practices. The document is written in the form of a revelation from God to Moses, thereby with the intended meaning that this is the more appropriate temple which was revealed to Moses, and that Moses' instructions were either forgotten or ignored when Solomon built the First Temple (Temple in Jerusalem). In other words, in the mind of the Scroll writer, "Solomon should actually have built the First Temple as it is described here in the Temple Scroll"


An idealized "four square" Temple plan is presented in the Temple Scroll. Johann Maier calculated that the Scroll dimensions of the three inner courts4 are:

Inner Court 280 cubits x 280 cubits (300 x 300 outer square)

Middle Court 480 cubits x 480 cubits (500 x 500 outer square)

Outer Court approximately 1600 cubits x 1600 cubits

The four equal sides to the proposed Temple find an earlier model in Ezekiel's temple (Ezekiel chapters 40-47).

Jonathan A. Goldstein (commentator on I Maccabees)9 is of the opinion that the construction referred to in I Maccabees 1:54 was very possibly meteorites attached to the altar10 (such use of meteorites is widely attested in Phoenician and ancient Syrian religious cults). In the New Revised Standard Version the stones in I Maccabees 4:43 are referred to as "defiled stones". However Goldstein states very pointedly that this is a mistranslation and that they should be known as "stones of loathsomeness" or "the stones of the loathsome structure".11 He feels these particular stones are crucial to understanding the "loathsome structure" which was erected upon an altar in the Second Temple.

Jonathan A. Goldstein says that more than likely there were three meteorites or stones on the altar:

Single or multiple stones or pillars, standing on an altar or a throne, are known as objects of worship among the Canaanites before the time of Alexander. Such stones and pillars are well attested in Phoenician and especially in Punic remains and on Phoenician coins. Quite common are such stones and pillars in groups of three or multiples of three. (Jonathan A. Goldstein, I Maccabees (Garden City NY: Doubleday, 1976) Anchor Bible Series, p.149.)
One more crucial major quote from Jonathan A. Goldstein:

It is clear from the sources on the persecution that the cult-stones were plural, and from the pagan parallels we learn that each meteorite could represent a different god. At least three gods, Zeus, Athene, and Dionysus, are mentioned in the sources [notably I Maccabees]. There is good reason to believe that these are all the gods of the imposed "Jewish" cult. There was a strong tendency among the Phoenicians to worship gods in families of three, consisting of a father god, a mother goddess, and their son; in groups of three....In the Syrian and Phoenician triads, the father god was always a god of the rainstorm. (Jonathan A. Goldstein, I Maccabees (Garden City NY: Doubleday, 1976) Anchor Bible Series, p.151, 152.)


the Kaba

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/images/the-kaba-02-500.jpg
has a Meteorite and it is in the form of a square

from the
http://www.perillos.com/baluster_3.html

the Geometric design of a triangle, circle,cross and square
set of symbols can also be found onthe the cover of Heinrich Madathanus's book "Aureum Seculum Redivivum" that was published in 1625. The author's true name was Adrian von Mynsicht and he was a german rosicrucian alchemist.

the triangle points downward and the circle and the cross

The floor pattern at Rennes Chateau


The Överhogdal tapestries have been theorized as depicting imagery of both Norse and Christian origin


The Överhogdal tapestries were found in the vestry of Överhogdal Church by Jonas Holm (1895-1986) in 1909
First believed to date from the Middle Ages, radiocarbon dating tests conducted in 1991 proved that the tapestries were made between 800 and 1100 AD, the Viking Age

The large animal and smaller human figures seem to rush by a tree, which could be the mighty ash Yggdrasil, a massive tree central to nine worlds in Norse mythology. Some scholars have suggested that what is shown is the Christianization of the region Härjedalen. However, today the dominant theory, given the radiocarbon dating of the tapestries, is that Ragnarök, a series of events foretold to occur in Norse mythology,

Davidson notes parallels between Yggdrasil and shamanic lore in northern Eurasia:

The conception of the tree rising through a number of worlds is found in northern Eurasia and forms part of the shamanic lore shared by many peoples of this region. This seems to be a very ancient conception, perhaps based on the Pole Star, the centre of the heavens, and the image of the central tree in Scandinavia may have been influenced by it.... Among Siberian shamans, a central tree may be used as a ladder to ascend the heavens

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96verhogdal_tapestries

Erling Haagensen, co-author of The Templars’ Secret Island, believed that there was a connection between the round churches of Bornholm and the Knights Templar. He believed that there were similarities between the geometrical precision of the four round churches on Bornholm and those of the churches in Rennes-le-Chateau in France. He concludes that Østerlars and the other round churches on Bornholm could have been used as storehouses for the Knights of the Templars during the Crusades.

Read more at Suite101: Round Churches and Bornholm | Suite101.com http://frances-simmons.suite101.com/rou ... z1q5MRXocv

I think from this topic
I hope to show the sacred geometric designs within Rennes Chateau

The crop circles are often geometric and portray sacred geometry

The Sacred Geometry is reflected in St Louis Bible in the image of the Great Architect
http://www.freemasoncollection.com/images/GR/GR_BibleSLouis.JPG

St Louis participated in the failed Crusades and brought back many relics from Jerusalem and Constantinople

The Templars and other Crusaders were the trusted emissaries of these relics. It would include the Teutonic Knights
The Holy Sepulcher has incorporated the circle


Haagenson writes about the round churches of Bonholm as well as Henry Lincoln
Newport Tower Rhode Island


In 1992, radiocarbon dating tests of the tower's mortar were undertaken by a team of researchers from Denmark and Finland. The results suggest a probable date of construction between 1635 and 1698.

Four of the eight supporting pillars of the tower face the main points of the compass.
In the 1990s, William Penhallow, an astronomer at the University of Rhode Island, studied the windows in the tower and said that he found a number of astronomical alignments. At the summer solstice the setting sun should shine through the "west" window (actually just south of true west) onto a niche in the inner wall, next to the "south" window. (This no longer happens due to urban development and park trees.) Similarly, the angle from the "east" window through the "west" window is about 18 degrees south of west, which is the southern extreme of moonsets during what is known as the "lunar minor standstill". The smaller windows also form alignments, on significant stars. These alignments could be accidental, but if they were deliberate it would explain why the pattern of windows seems, according to Penhallow, "so odd".

It is estimated that the tower contains more than six thousand cubic feet of stone weighing almost one million pounds, all of which had to be collected and carried up the hill for construction.

Proponents of the Norse theory often point to the unit of measurement they believe was used during construction. Unlike other Colonial structures that were built using the English foot, the Newport Tower appears to have been based using an ancient Scottish unit of measurement known as an ell which is equivalent to three Norse feet


In "America: 1355-1364," H. R. Holand lays out a convincing case that the Newport Tower was constructed in the mid 14th century by an expedition consisting of Norwegians and Swedes. As evidence, he points out the structural similarities of the tower to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Cambridge, England and the Church of St. Olaf in Tunsberg, Norway.



Henry Wadsworth Longfellow incorporated the Norse-origin view of the tower into his poem "The Skeleton in Armor"

As for the theory that a very astrolabe may have existed
that maybe seen in the Psalter of Blanche Castile
http://www.bridgemanart.com/asset/114028/French-School-13th-century/Ms-1186-f.1-Astrologer-with-an-astrolabe-a-Scribe

http://www.unexplainedearth.com/newport.php

A recent below story on a "junk" webpage and searches will only find mention in other dubious sites or debunking pages. The process is called 3D fractal resonance imaging and I'm not buying this with so little else to go on. Very spooky pics though!

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1707/860 ... acked.html

it is interesting you bring up fractals
some crop circles represent fractals
this one is amazing


A Fractal Representation of Pi… In a Crop Circle
it took a retired astrophysicist to decode it

http://www.astroengine.com/2008/06/a-fractal-pattern-representation-of-pi-in-a-crop-circle/#ixzz1qLb0KDiY


this some say is a fractal
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/Bert/3dfractals.html

In the mid 90s some of the found crop circles were based on fractals. For instance the so-called 'Julia set' at Stonehenge in 1996 and the 'Triple Julia set' at Windmill Hill the same year. Or the Koch-fractals in 1997. In later years, this resembling disappeared and was replaced by other features. In 1999 many of the crop circles looked three-dimensional.

It has a
Sierpinsky Gasket, which
is a well-known fractal!
Sierpinski gasket or the Sierpinski Sieve, is a fractal and attractive fixed set named after the Polish mathematician Wacław Sierpiński who described it in 1915. However, similar patterns appear already in the 13th-century Cosmati mosaics in the cathedral of Anagni, Italy.[1] and other places, such as in the nave of the roman Basilica of Santa Maria in Cosmedin.

Sierpinski triangle or the Sierpinski carpet to equivalent repetitive tiling arrangements, it is evident that similar structures can be built into any rep-tile arrangements.



This is Pascal's triangle


Geometric floor mosaic (Sierpinski triangles), nave of Santa Maria in Cosmedin, Forum Boarium, Rome.but created in the 13th century
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mymuk/6304896451

Thing is I'm not a mathematician


Cosmati floor

Basilica of Saint Mary in Cosmedin
The church was built in the 8th century during the Byzantine Papacy over the remains of the Templum Herculis Pompeiani in the Forum Boarium and of the Statio annonae, one of the food distribution centres of ancient Rome
In a side altar on the left of the church is kept the flower crowned skull of St Valentine.

It's a fractal world, after all. Very nice post above, lovuian.

Benoit Mandelbrot: Fractals and the art of roughness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay8OMOsf6AQ

WHOAH!!! TCJ WHOAH!!! you just blew my MIND!

Awesome Video and did you notice a crop circle was of his fractal

Did you notice how he showed the lung and the cauliflower ...had the branch and branches

Look at Magdalene she is kneeling in front of a tree and its branches


from Ben's site
No matter what Ben's pictures were wonderful



Some more Fractal fun TCJ
http://youtu.be/G_GBwuYuOOs

Here's another nice one. The maker said it took near 3 months of processing with a high priced home computer. In 720p.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foxD6ZQ ... re=related

TCJ
I love that Video Awesome

but alas the Udo of Aachen maybe a hoax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udo_of_Aachen

a creation of British technical writer Ray Girvan, who introduced him in an April Fool's hoax article in 1999. According to the article, Udo was an illustrator and theologian who discovered the Mandelbrot set some 700 years before Benoît Mandelbrot.

Additional details of the hoax include the rediscovery of Udo's works by the also-fictional Bob Schipke, a Harvard mathematician, who supposedly saw a picture of the Mandelbrot set in an illumination for a 13th century carol. Girvan also attributed Udo as a mystic and poet whose poetry was set to music by Carl Orff with the haunting O Fortuna in Carmina Burana.

It had me going for a sec

Thanks.
I didn't comment on that as I knew nothing of it.
And it did look a bit too good to be true, didn't it?
Fractals aren't just an amazing mental concept, you know.
Some industries are incorporating the idea, as in better safety monitoring of and understanding of concrete structures.



More from Mandlebrot:



http://tech.mit.edu/V121/N63/Mandelbrot.63f.html