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the problem with the boat story is that the village of Saintes Maries de la Mer, did not exist when the Marys supposedly landed near there in about 42 AD. The 9th century account by Rabanus Maurus, Archbishop of Mainz, which is supposed to be a copy of an earlier work discribes the "three Marys (and others), landing in said boat near the river Rhone. It would seem to be anybodys guess where this exact landing took place. But my question was directed to Obelix's comment that they had embarked from Egypt. I was wondering where his source was for this information. I am not disagreeing with it, but my understanding of the legends has always had them leaving from palestine.---Bill

I will not draw a map with the EXACT place but THEY landed in that area where the Rhone river flow in the Mediterean Sea... the NOW village of Saintes Maries de la Mer... THEY fled from Palestine to Egypt (Alexandria with a great Jewish community there) and from there set sail with their precious "cargo" to south-western France where there was also with a firm jewish settlement ... Some travelled further to the RLC area... and in that region came Hermits, the Templars, the Cathars, German diggers and French and IS-IS-RA-EL ... SIS people.... some did HIDE something and others SEARCHED something... This is from some old gipsy stories and from other sources which I dont publish because some nasty wasps will come after these and the poor little bees again to look after ALL their HONEY and replace it with some poor little sugar......hoping to sell it for big MONEY... you have to take it or leave it...

bzzzzzzzz

What a load of rubbish, you have the audacity to call others jerks and expect to be taken seriously when you spout all that drivel

Rabanus Maurus, Archbishop of Mainz, which is supposed to be a copy of an earlier work discribes

Do you mean the 'Life' written by Rhabanus Maurus?

The earliest extant version of a story of the Magdalene which assembles all the major motifs attached to her life comes from Saint Odo of Cluny.
Close in date is that of Victor Saxer.
It was between the ninth and eleventh century that the process of conflation and assimilation occurred in the story of the Magdalene.

Maurus' text about the Magdalene, and his authorship of it, rests on the poor testimony of a single and late manuscript (Oxford, MS89 - c.1408) and by Faillon's attempts in the mid 19th century to demonstrate Maurus's authorship ...

Maurus's attributed text (Vita Mariae Magdalenae) has a bibliographic history tracked by Saxer. There are 7 known manuscripts, one dates from the 12th century, 2 from the 13th, one form the 14th and one is undated by Saxer. The earliest manuscript, Montpellier one, is from Clairvaux. Another early one also has work by Geoffrey of Auxerre, Bernard of Clairvaux one time secretary. Another manuscript binds the Life of MM with works of english cistercians (Aelred of Rievaulx) and with Saint Bernards Life of Saint Malachy.

Although this manuscript evidence cannot 'conclusively demonstrate cistercian authorship (of the Maurus text) - it does establish that the Cistercians or those greatly influenced by cistercian spirituality (the Franciscans) played the major role in preserving and transmitting the work'.

Therefore the sources for the text would be:

the many brevaries for the feast of st MM, the sermon on MM by Saint Odo, Euseibius, Saint Augustine (as well as Bede, Alcuin, and Rabanus) as well as saint Bernard.

The text itself is very interesting, in the imagery used to describe the Magdalenes conversion.

Unless further evidence regarding authroship and date can be found, then only a generalised attribution can be confidently be made: the Vita was composed in the late 12th century by an anonymous compiler deeply influenced by the spirituality of Saint Bernard.

No evidence of Maurus as author

Sorry, i havent read all this thread, just seen the last 2 posts. Apologies if i am completely off topic.

No, you are not off topic Sandy, there has only been a couple of posts on the subject on this thread. Thanks for you input.---Bill

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I will not draw a map with the EXACT place but THEY landed in that area where the Rhone river flow in the Mediterean Sea... the NOW village of Saintes Maries de la Mer... This is from some old gipsy stories and from other sources which I dont publish because some nasty wasps will come after these and the poor little bees again to look after ALL their HONEY and replace it with some poor little sugar......hoping to sell it for big MONEY... you have to take it or leave it...


take it or leave it will not work on this forum, Obelix. If you have sources you should publish them. Well, I take that back a little, it will work, but nobody will accept it. You must realize that this story (the Magdalene landing in Gaul with several others), is quite controversial.---Bill

I would add that the very existence of the Magdalene and the several others is quite controversial as well...

I suppose!---Bill

To put it straight: Magdalene was first mentioned in local legends in the 11th century. Not before.

Well I must say that the latest influx of new members certainly are a few bees short of a beehive!

VAM

All drones and no Queens.

HONEY PART 2
Lets go back in TIME even further….“Once there was a Time without Time…” TIME has not always been what it is now... In the Beginning there was Nothing… not even TIME !...
What is Time ? Time is simply what a clock reads. The clock can be the rotation of a planet, sand falling in an hourglass, a heartbeat, or vibrations of a cesium atom (atomic clock).
BUT There is NO TIME without material objects moving… Think about that !
Time is nothing else than a measure for the changing positions of objects in space ! “In The Beginning…” there were no (moving) objects in space ! (Genesis Bible).
Just before something happened in the first space-time environment there was “NOTHING” ! Not even Time ! NOTHING except ?………

Nowadays A Year is a measure for the displacement of the Earth around the Sun… but in old times they did not knew the earth did evolve around the sun … or did they ? so what was a year, a month, a day… for these ancient people ?
A Day is a measure for the circling of Earth around its Axis… A month, a year … look at Wikipedia to read more on these…
Can the flow of time be altered? Can (or did) some of us “Travel Through Time” (triple Tau) to see what humans are not supposed to see, and come back ? This is the BIGGEST TREASURE one can imagine and worth far more than some millions of pounds or dollars or euros !

Look at the OLD AGES of the Patriarchs… The Bible tells us that:
Adam lived 930 years. (Genesis 5:5)
Seth lived 912 years
Enos lived 905 years
Jared lived 962 years
Methuselah lived 969 years
Lamech lived only for 777 years (what happened to that guy ?)
Noah lived 950 years. (Genesis 9:29)
Some critics claim that the 900 years of life mentioned in the Bible were not literal years. They claim that you have to take the years given in the Bible as months and divide years by 12. This is wrong for many reasons. The Bible tells us how old the patriarchs were when their children were born. Cainan was 70 when his son was born. If you divided the age by 12, then he would have had a child when he was 5 years old. LOL...
SO WHY is it that humans once seemed to have a much longer lifespan … ?
Is there an explanation ? YES there IS !
But even more strange is the fact that the life span of man has been declining dramatically since the flood !!! … hmmm… interesting is it not ? Look :
Peleg 239 years
Nahor 148
Terah 205
Abraham 175 years

SO WHAT HAPPENED around the time of THE FLOOD so that average life span dropped dramatically …. ?
SOMETHING happened ! (IN SPACE nearby !!!) around the time of the flood and changed the rotational and orbital speed of Planet Earth and Moon and so our measurement of TIME !!!

In the midst 19 century, close to Niniveh (Iraq), the largest and oldest library ever was discovered, once belonging to Ashur-Banipal, king of Assyria. He reigned sometime around 2000 BC, near the time of Abraham …! This find contained close to 50,000 clay tablets, scrolls and manuscripts, describing a region known as “Sumer”… Many of these tablets are not yet translated… They seem to be pragmatically rendered inscriptions of events that actually happened in the distant past, by scribes who took their business very seriously - literally devoting their lives to the work and its preservation. (LIKE BEES!)

One of these ancient texts spoke of perilous times, stating that in those days the “Gods have left us like migrating birds” - and they tell of some terrible disaster sweeping through a vast area surrounding the Sinai Peninsula – they speak about a “poisonous wind” which completely destroys entire populations within days and rendering the land uninhabitable for a long period.

We the “Brotherhood of the Bees” are telling you what happened … These so called “Gods” (from old Sumer clay tablets) left indeed the Earth in these times because they saw a big OBJECT from space coming very near to planet Earth… Due to the big gravitational forces in place big Floods and Volcanic Eruptions (with their “poisonous wind”) followed…
As a consequence big amounts of water from the Mediteranean Sea passed through the Dardanelles (Turkey) and formed what is now the “Black Sea”. These great gravitational forces did slow down the Earth rotation speed (days), moon orbital speed (months) and orbit around the sun …. and as such changed TIME as we knew it : a year was getting much longer than before and so the biological processes in humans did not change (!) but the measure of lifespan itself…

Adam and consecutive generations lived in their Time scale indeed 900+ just as described by the bible scribes ! but in our Time scale we think it was about 180 (about a factor 5 to 1) … With 180 years biological life there is no problem whatsoever with having great-great grandson.... The genealogy of suns is exactly as in the bible…

Following that biblical event Melchisedech was one of the “survivors” of these “Gods” …! His lineage (before and after!) is very important as we said and as we will tell more about …
"MELCHISEDECH" was the real Highpriest and King of URU-SALEM. Even Abraham paid tribute to him ! He was not born and did not die (Genesis, Pauls lettre to Hebrews)... See the difference between priesthood of Melchisedech and priesthood of Aaron ! Follow the Royal Blue Bloodline (blue apples in RLC ?) from Melchisedech to Jesus and further on ... SOLIS SACERDOTIBUS... and look at the priesthood nowadays : so many PEDO'S ... ITS TIME NOW, for the real HIDDEN PRIESTHOOD of MECHISEDECH to come forward and speak now very soon... and look at the strange priests in the RLC story (Henri Boudet, Sauniere, Gelis…)… Who were they ? belonging to what kind of priesthood ?

Look at THe Sumerians, that oldest civilisation... Look at their language and written tales and legends thousands of years BEFORE the old testament texts... That is where ABRAM and MELCHISEDECH came from ...

Jacob returning from that region and visting his TWIN brother Esau had a VISION when he layed down his head to rest on that famous “STONE” He saw angels descending and ascending the “LADDER” to heaven and he did look around there and after that he said : "TERRIBILIS LOCUS EST" (this place is awfull!) ... Jacob saw also beings witch he called beasts because HE could not explain what he saw... He could not recognise these beings that wore so very strange suits !... So beasts is an allegorical term for the beings he saw there.

One of these “beasts” is Asmodeus who was conjured by Solomon and spoken of in the Tobit and La Salette story, and pointed at by Sauniere and Flamel… These beasts are around again in our days of PEDO priesthood and must be conjured again by the Seal of Salomon and “the WORD” who is represented by a geometrical construction (see Messenger solution…).
Dont forget this very important figure of ASMODEUS who play an important role in THis hole story THEN and NOW and in THe FUTURE ...
And don’t forget to look at the SKY at night …awfull ! For the ancients it was also a map of the Middle East… not with the absolute but relative positions of the Pyramids and Jerusalem and other cities and places…. SO Above so Below… So the 3 Wise men (Kings) from the East followed a STAR and identifying the path of this falling star in heaven they knew approximately where to look where the “Newborn King”…. Jezus was to be born…


In the next part : HONEY PART 3 we could tell more about Jezus, what did he really said , what happened to Him and WHO did took over after … About Constantine, Chi-Ro, relics and documents about His(s)tory… written by and guarded by WHO ?
And of course we could tell about "THE GRAAL” that Special BOOK…. a well-spring of "KNOWLEDGE"... It is of the utmost importance "HOW the KNOWLEDGE in that BOOK" is used... Just as Nicolas Flamel discovered after decrypting "HIS BOOK !" His Grail ! hmmmmm...........

We can go further and speak about the Knight Templar and the Freemasons who split after the cutting of the Elm because even Kings were not allowed to the INNER CIRCLE… Only the Inner Circle of the Knights Templar guarded not only the rituals but the TRUE MEANING thereof (given to them by the old “Brotherhood of The BEES” when they stayed in the holy land)…. and further passed some of this down to the Cathars who took it with them when a few escaped Montsegur … and further down to these days….passing by Rosslyn Chapel, La Salette revelation and RLC Story … passing the true reasons for both world wars until the political situation now… and what to expect further in the future about “The END”….

Our Goal was and is to let you (at least SOME of you who are interested) know that part of the GREAT TRUTH that is necessary to understand and withstand what is coming to mankind very soon…
BUT perhaps a public forum like this one, with all kinds of poor angry, jaleous and stupid little dudes, is not the ideal place as we has been told by MESSENGER…. We will wait and see…

Obelix, Scribe of the Bees
bzzzzzzzzzz

there is a problem with your figures, Obelix. If the planet was orbiting fast enough to create a year that would account for the extreme ages of the early (before the flood), old testament heroes, the speed that it would be traveling would be far above the escape velocity needed to leave the solar system. What i mean is that it would get very dark and cold. Also, wouldn't you have the same age problem with extremely young parents?---Bill

Yeah but it depends on what system they used to count years and months... if days and months are much shorter due to ROTATIONAL speed on earths own axis (days shorter!) AND shorter months due to faster orbit of the MOON, then the orbital earth-sun velocity have not to be so much different... IT all depends on what THEY used as a YEAR (counting of days, months, seasons, earth orbital around sun which thet did not knew then ?)

Indeed VAM, but does that justify expressing ourselves with expletives?

TD

excuse me you guys, but I hope I'm not a tosser. Ummm, whats a trosser?---Bill

I believe it has something to do with male self-pleasuring.

TCP

I was speaking (writing) specifically about the local customs and legends at SS. Maries-de-la-Mer, which did not and still do not involve Mary Magdalene at all. Which is not to say that local tourism hasn't been helped tremendously in the last twenty years by the influx of HBHG and Starbird fans, as well as tour groups from the U.S. descending on the town for their annual festivals (one for the two Marys, and one for St. Sarah). However, when the images are carried down to the water by the locals you won't see an image of the Magdalene because she never figured in their traditions. When the cult of veneration was "invented" (established, not created out of whole cloth) in 1458 it centered only on Mary Salome and Mary Jacobe, even "Saint" Sarah was never included as she's only a folk saint.

There are many, many church hagiographies telling of many, many saints arriving on the shores of Provence from the Holy Land by boat, the Magdalene and the other two Marys are hardly unique in that regard. The boat element is a literary motif, not actual history.

TCP

True, in fact the current site is six kilometers inland from the 1st century shoreline.

TCP

Obelix,

Your explanation might (may be yes, may be no) cover the problem of escape velocity, it doesn't cover the point about the impossibility of very youthful parents.

If a person lived to 900 years and had a child at 70 years, this would the equivalent of a person who lives to 70 and has a child at 5.4 years!

While it might happen in the world of bees, I don't think this possible in the world of humans.

What other evidence is there for a close encounter between Earth and another object?

I assume you also know the location of the fabled kitchen sink?

[quote="hotspur"

What other evidence is there for a close encounter between Earth and another object?[/quote]


have you ever read anything by "Immanuel Velikovsky"?

have you ever read anything by "Immanuel Velikovsky"?[/quote]


I've heard of Velikovsky and Sitchin and read some articles about their ideas.

But I would like to hear from Obelix what other evidence he has, of a close encounter of the gravitational kind between Earth and another body, that he can bring to the table.

We said we thaught to use a factor 5 to 1 counting years so :
He died at 900 (divided by 5) = 180 years
1st child at 70 (divided by 5) = 14 years old
its not impossible for a BOY to have a child when he is 14 years old, no ? of course that is not the case for every guy ... LOL....