Arcadia Discussion Zone

Good Morning Everyone
been busy doing some research
Oh yes not always sitting by the computer I do get out an walk the path
I have been out and about here in the land of the Acadiens (Cajuns)and picked up a wee bit connection with
Sauniere's regalia

I would like to discuss the symbolism on his Regalia
I'm going back to a great article by Andrew's Arcadia
on the Secret of the Abbes
http://www.andrewgough.com/genocide.html

'Viva Angelina'

at the Abbe Gellis murder

the Abbe's journal entry for the day records the obtuse and strangely understated passage, which translates as "Discovered a tomb. At night it rained"

* Abbe Antoine Bigou

* Abbe Louis de Coma

* Abbe Antoine Gelis

* Abbe Henri Boudet

* Abbe Alfred Saunière

* Abbe Bérenger Saunière

Alfred is intriguing, not only because he is Saunière's close friend and brother, but due to his position as a tutor to the family of the Marquis de Chefdebien in Narbonne. The Marquis was the grandson of the founder of the Philadelphes Masonic Lodge. It's possible that Alfred, with his powerful connections, helped secure some of Saunière's funding, or even the information he required to locate the secret. Thus, it is not surprising that Alfred was dismissed by the Chefdebien family after having been caught franticly looking through some very private papers.

Now I don't have a picture of the Sauniere Regalia
but I refer you to the article link which does

the symbol that is interesting me on the vestments is the triangle with the rays coming out
and I believe it has the letters in Hebrew for God
The Hebrew letters are named Yod-Heh-Vav-Heh: יהוה. In English it is written as YHWH, YHVH, or JHVH depending on the transliteration convention that is used. The Tetragrammaton was written in contrasting Paleo-Hebrew characters in some of the oldest surviving square Aramaic Hebrew texts, and were not read as Adonai ("My Lord") until after the Rabbinic teachings after Israel went into Babylonian captivity.[2]

In appearance, YHWH is an archaic third person singular imperfect of the verb "to be", meaning, therefore, "He is". This explanation agrees with the meaning of the name given in Exodus 3:14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am". It stems from the Hebrew conception of monotheism that God exists by himself for himself, and is the uncreated Creator who is independent of any concept, force, or entity; therefore "I am that I am".





Portion of column 19 of the Psalms Scroll (Tehilim) from Qumran Cave 11. The Tetragrammaton in paleo-Hebrew can be clearly seen six times in this portion.

The Tetragramton emphasizes the number 4

I in the process of writing about the connection but was wondering about Sauniere's regalia
why would he pick that symbol out
and I feel it was in reverence to the FOUR 4

Oh here ya go

http://www.andrewgough.com/genocide.htm



La Très Sainte Trinosophie, The Most Holy Trinosophia, or The Most Holy Threefold Wisdom, is a French esoteric book, allegedly authored by Cagliostro or the Count of St Germain.[1][2] Dated to the late 18th century, the 96-page book is divided into twelve sections representing the twelve zodiacal signs.[3] The veiled content is said to refer to an allegorical initiation, detailing many kabbalistic, alchemical and masonic mysteries.[4] The original MS 2400 at the Library of Troyes is richly illustrated with numerous symbolical plates



The Acadiens used this symbolism here in America

The "triangular book" contains a text in cipher. The PRS is in
possession of the correct cipher, which turns out to be a simple
substitution cipher, and when deciphered, it becomes a ritual text
written in french. As I recall, there are two or three rituals, one of
which has the object to "lengthen the lifespan of a man to the age of
100 years with the strength and vigor of a man of 50 years." I seem to
recall that another one of the rituals has the object of uncovering
buried diamonds or riches. A cursory examination of the rituals
suggests a generic similarity with the Heptemeron of Petro d'Albano.

The PRS is in possession of a translation of the french ritual text of
the triangular book into english, which was made either by Manly Hall,
or at his behest.

It is probable that the present GO of France headquartered in Paris is
no longer in possession of any copies of the triangular book; it is
known that the Nazis stole all masonic documents during the occupation,
and the present Order in Paris is thought to be relatively impoverished
from a point of view of the archives formerly in their possession.
Neither have I seen any indication that the current Rosicrucian milieu
in Paris was in possession of this text in recent years.
http://www.levity.com/alchemy/t_stgermain.html

The tetragrammaton of Yahweh at the 5th Chapel of the Palace of Versailles in France

Catholics will no longer address God as ‘Yahweh’
WASHINGTON – In the not-too-distant future, songs such as “You Are Near,” “I Will Bless Yahweh” and “Rise, O Yahweh” will no longer be part of the Catholic worship experience in the United States.

At the very least, the songs will be edited to remove the word “Yahweh” – a name of God that the Vatican has ruled must not “be used or pronounced” in songs and prayers during Catholic Masses.

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/09/13/catholics-will-no-longer-address-god-as-%E2%80%98yahweh%E2%80%99/

The Tetragrammaton is the ancient Israelitish name for God. According to actual count, it occurs 5,410 times in the Bible, being divided among the books as follows: Genesis 153 times, Exodus 364, Leviticus 285, Numbers 387, Deuteronomy 230 (total in Torah 1,419); Joshua 170, Judges 158, Samuel 423, Kings 467, Isaiah 367, Jeremiah 555, Ezekiel 211, Minor Prophets 345 (total in Prophets 2,696); Psalms 645, Proverbs 87, Job 31, Ruth 16, Lamentations 32, Daniel 7, Ezra-Nehemiah 31, Chronicles 446 (total in Hagiographa 1,295).

Tetragrammaton, the word "Yhwh" is found to occur 5,989 times in the Bible

According to the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon, יְהֹוָה (Qr אֲדֹנָי) occurs 6,518 times

Read more: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... z1CXR5Ks9o

keep em coming lov.

I'm reading this even if nobody else is.

I may have some comments soon.

But the Ordo Ab Chao triangle is over the altar in Esperaza church. It's a symbol of the Supreme Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish petite at Charleston. The French equivalent is the Chevaliers bienfaisant de la Cite Sainte alluded to in the graveyard of Rennes les Bains on the tomb of Paul Urbain Vincent de Fleurie.

Marie Dénarnaud was born in Esperaza on August 12th 1868. Like her brother and father she also worked as a hat maker in the factory in Esperaza.

Rivière makes his mark in the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery at the end of Sauniere's life. On the 17th January 1917, Sauniere suffered a stroke. A few days later, realising his time on this earth was nearly over he asked for his old friend the priest of Esperaza to come and hear his confession and to administer the last rites.

Rivière rushed to his friend's side and began to perform his duty. Whilst hearing his confession, which lasted a long time, Rivière, for some reason still unexplained, rushed from the room. Some have said it was as if he had been in the presence of the devil himself such was the look of terror etched on his face. Though the two were close friends, the Abbé Rivière had left with out administering the Last Sacraments, only after Saunière's death would Rivière return to administer them. Bérenger Saunière died on the 22nd January 1917.

It is said he never smiled as much again and became a recluse.
from Ben's site
http://benhammott.com/esperaza_church.html

Interesting Roscoe
I didn't know there was the Tetragrammaton over the altar
wouldn't have a picture of it would you









'Viva Angelina'
or could it be Evangeline










Longfellow's "Evangeline"):

This is the | forest pri | meval. The | murmuring | pines and the | hemlocks
Dactylic hexameter (also known as "heroic hexameter") is a form of meter in poetry or a rhythmic scheme. It is traditionally associated with the quantitative meter of classical epic poetry in both Greek and Latin, and was consequently considered to be the Grand Style of classical poetry. The premier examples of its use are Homer's Iliad and Odyssey and Virgil's Aeneid.

Evangeline in Nova Scotia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grand_Pr%C3%A9.JPG

Roscoe found this where Evangeline is at Martinville LA

Morals and dogma Albert Pike

that has 33 written in the middle of the triangle

Beneficial knight of the holy City

then you have sauniere's regalia???
has the Tetragramaton

isosceles triangle

Haven't we been over this one before? I believe someone eventually admitted that the regalia did not belong to Sauniere ( who IMHO was not a Freemason anyway ).
Regards
Nic

I did not know that Nic

I am referring also to this article on Arcadia
http://www.andrewgough.com/genocide.html

of the golden vestment with the Tetragramaton

this is not Sauniere's regalia?

I was just going by the article and other references



You know this for a fact when the chapel symbolism has signs of Freemasonry and Rosicrucian symbolism within its walls
Tim Wallace-Murphy (a freemason) suggested in a interview that the chapel had the possible symbolism

I will point out the Four Angels making the sign of the cross
some rituals dealing with the Tetragramaton deal with these points

of course only someone initiated in the mysteries would be aware of this

I just noticed the Acadiens and the Scottish Rite were using the symbolism which appears in France
in places like Versailles chapel etc...etc...

It appears at Aachen


Could they knock be reflecting the Tetragramaton
It is interesting the Catholic Church in 2008 has removed the name from the songs and worship

how times change from a main focus of a church to being removed

In this article is the pectoral cross of Pope John XXIII
it has All seeing eye
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/pope.johnxxiii.pectoral.cross.masonic.symbols.html
there are articles saying that he was a Freemason

The Portugal Daily News
(November 11, 2002)

Fátima International (FI), an historic review organisation with offices in Australia, USA, Paraguay and Portugal, has issued a further press release claiming that Cardinal Angelo Roncalli, who was elected as Pope John XXlll in 1958, was a Freemason. In 1994 the Portuguese newspapers “O Dia” and “Correio de Domingo” published a summary of FI’s investigations into the case, which stated that Pope John XXlll [Roncalli] had been initiated into a secret society, the Order of Rosicrucians, whilst serving as the Vatican’s Charge d´Affairs in Paris during 1935.
http://www.opusdeialert.com/roncaliamason.htm

his pectoral cross

Le Comte Alexandre Francois Auguste de Grasse (born February 14, 1765, date of death June 10, 1845) was a founding father of the Supreme Council of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.

De Grasse was baptized in St. Louis Parish, Versailles, France. His father, Admiral de Grasse, commanded the French fleet which surprised Cornwallis at Yorktown and forced a surrender.

he Comte was one of the eleven founders of the Supreme Council the Mother Council of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite from which all other Supreme Councils of the world derive their authority.

Saint Germain



mystic Jacob Boehme

Cool background of the stained glass window - you can find a similar one in RLC.

Hi Lov, Just to clarify. The priestly golden Regalia that you linked to here :- http://www.andrewgough.com/genocide.html
as far as I know is authentic and belonged to Sauniere. Its symbolism is also not unusual for a Catholic priest and not specifically masonic ( please correct me if I'm wrong ).
However this Masonic collar :-

Appeared much later on ( 2006 ish ? ) and was said to be from Sauniere's estate. This I believe has dubious credentials and no-one has come up with any evidence that it actually belonged to Sauniere. There are also the stories of Sauniere visiting the Martinist Order of Lyon.
I don't know for a fact that BS had no links to either Freemasonry or the Rosicrucians, it is just my view, which is why I said IMHO. This opinion comes purely from his Catholic stances evidenced by the masses, sermons and letters available and the lack of evidence to the contrary. If the thread is still here ( two or three years ago ) it might be worth reading through it, as other forum members included more details on these supposed Masonic / Martinist links.
Regards
Nic

On the contrary, you are correct.

TCP

Well there's a first time for everything
Regards
Nic

Nic


Thanks Nic for the explanation ...thats what I love here you keep me on my toes
kick out the collar keep the Sauniere Regalia
Gotcha
its the symbol I'm investigating...what a coincidence Sauniere used it

Yes Nic Catholic Priests did use the Tetragramaton on the vestments as evidence submitted Sauniere's Regalia
Yes Masons use this symbolism ....such as the Scottish Rite

You know I have seen many vestments by Catholic priests TCP and Nic
and I have never seen the Tetrgramaton on their vestments
Vestments are quite personel

do you TCP and Nic have many examples of the Tetrgramaton on priest vestments???
Please give me a source ...I'd appreciate since I have noticed in the Acadien settlements here
the Tetrgramaton or All seeing eye is a recurring symbol in their churches

I have MUTIPLE examples

I guess what I am asking is this a French theme or acadien theme or masonic theme...though the All seeing eye is at Aachen...Merovingian theme
a place in history which held the royal court of the Merovingians
It seems the Acadiens had a special connection with the Merovingians history

FMH


where FM is it the cube background ...
what example
very interested could you explain more

Actually I ran across something here that Sheila would be interested also

It seems that in the 19th c. in France that our cast of characters belonged to many

groups. Great display of symbolism L.!

Hi Lov, the Tetragrammaton symbol represents God and the Holy Trinity. There are lots of examples of it's use within churches ( the picture from St Germain de Pres which you posted above being a good example ). Here is another :-

As far as it being portrayed on a chasuble or other vestment, priests can choose different religious decorations to match the liturgy. There are now modern companies who will accept personalised images to be sent and make the garments embroidered to specification.
Also vestments have changed in design "Complex decoration schemes were often used on chasubles of scapular form, especially the back, incorporating the image of the Christian cross or of a saint; and rich materials such as silk, cloth of gold or brocade were employed, especially in chasubles reserved for major celebrations.
In the twentieth century, there was a tendency to return to an earlier, more ample, form of the chasuble, sometimes called "Gothic", as distinguished from the "Roman" scapular form."

Regards
Nic

Oh Nic thanks do you know where those vestments you showed came from? And yes I have seen the symbol used by Episcopal church also
Yes it means God and the Trinity but then it has other meanings too
I was asking because the of the Black colors those are beautiful
The spellings of the Tetragrammaton occur among the many combinations and permutations of names of powerful agents that occur in Egyptian magical writings
In an Ethiopic list of magical names of Jesus, purporting to have been taught by him to his disciples, Yawe is found.
In Kabbalah its associated with the Four Worlds
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton

How times change Nic...now the church wishes to remove it when it was deemed permissible
the reasoning because they wish not to offend the Jews ....hmmmmm
Thanks again Nic

Alistair crowley

The Black Magician






Thanks Renne
or maybe the symbol is an out of this world symbol

Exodus 3:13-15 is the first recorded instance of God naming himself. An etymologization of the name, connecting YHWH with the root HYH, occurs when YHWH, asked by Moses for his name, provides three names: "I Am That I Am", followed by "I Am," and finally "YHWH." He states that this is his name forever and a memorial name to all generations.[21]

... יהוה אלהי אבתיכם... זה־שמי לעלם... אהיה אשר אהיה ויאמר כה תאמר לבני ישראל אהיה שלחני אליכם׃
"I AM THAT I AM [...] Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you [...] YHWH God of your fathers, [...] this is my name for ever

From the time of Simon the Righteous until the temple's ruin, the name was only heard "as it is written" during the Yom Kippur liturgy at the temple of Jerusalem, where the high priest pronounced it 10 times, continued Father Remaud.



"On hearing the explicit name from the mouth of the high priest, the 'cohanim' [Aaron's descendants] and the people present in the atrium knelt down, prostrated themselves with their face on the ground saying: 'Blessed be the glorious name of his Kingdom forever.'"

The Mishna does not say that the high priest pronounced the divine name, but that the name "came out of his mouth," he clarified.

A whisper

The floor on the left and right side of the altar shows a similar ornament. Sadly I do not have a better pic but I am sure you can find better ones on the web.



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Yes I see it fmh thanks so much
dang your good

I found this design in Austria


it was in a man made grotto
Its Geometric
Its the cube
Metatron's cube

The "Fruit of Life" symbol is composed of 13 circles taken from the design of the Flower of Life.[1][36] The Fruit of Life is said to be the blueprint of the universe, containing the basis for the design of every atom, molecular structure, life form, and everything in existence.[1][26] It contains the geometric basis for the delineation of Metatron's Cube, which brings forth the platonic solids. If each circle's centre is considered a "node", and each node is connected to each other node with a single line, a total of seventy-eight lines are created, forming a type of cube (Metatron's Cube).

“The imaginary is something that tends to become true.”

---Andrė Breton

As quoted by Gėrard de Sède in “The Accursed Treasure”

I think I'm going to put up some links to Berenger's regalia
on interesting articles

this one is my favorite
http://www.andrewgough.com/genocide.htm

the Perillos one is questionable so I will leave that one out
though there was some very good points made in it about Masonic connections

http://www.andrewgough.com/17questions_andre2.html
Here is another sauniere regalia
its the Lamb with the seven seals and rays of light

A picture of Sauniere in his regalia

from an article here
http://blueapples85.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

He looks like he is wearing a geometric design similar to the cube design on the floor
but the triangle on his breast appears to be pointing downwards

which is a bit unusual ...most of the Tetragramaton's triangles point upward ...correct
if a triangle is pointing downwards it would be the earthly one
But it does appear he has a liking for the triangle ...the trinity

Could it be Martinist regalia?

You know Renne
I don't know but
Martinism talks about the Great Architect
it talks about the four orders
four kinds of Tabernacles in the
Universal Temple, being (1) the body of man, (2) the body of woman, (3)
the Tabernacle of Moses, and (4) that of the Sun, or the "temporal
spiritual" Tabernacle which the Great Architect of the Universe "has
destined to contain the sacred names and words of material and
spiritual reaction, distinguished by wisdom as by a torch of universal
temporal life.
there are four wardens or four angels four quarters of the universe

Jacob Boehm was a hero for Saint Martin