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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 17 Jan 2012 7:21 pm 
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ndawe wrote:
You're right that it doesn't look quite like an IHS. There is apparently some debate on this point.

One idea is that it is the word "Utelle" in a shortened form...?


Yn hoc signo uinces. Very old rendering.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 17 Jan 2012 10:11 pm 
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Kind reply from Mr Guy Tarade concerning the photo - he says it is a "creation infographique", so not showing an actual church tympanum.


And this has to do with Rennes le Chateau (i.e. The section you are polluting) how exactly?

Get this fabricated crap off this section and into your own section.


Oh don't be such a Guy Tirade!

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 Post subject: AZ version
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The Arizona version set with turquoise.

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 Post subject: Sephiroth
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An astronomical interpretation of the Sephiroth.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Love the turquoise Tucson Crista image Renne. What an artist you are, literally.
And Madame, nice photo in your church. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Rennes, please DO NOT take photo's from my Facebook wall and post them on here without my permission, it's extremely discourteous. If i want to share my pictures with people other than on FB i will do so myself.

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 Post subject: Spain
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IHS logos.

Brotherhood of Nazarenos San Esteban, Spain.

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 Post subject: Celtic Design
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Detail from the Armag Chalice, compare to the Crista.

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 Post subject: Re: Spain
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Brotherhood of Nazarenos San Esteban, Spain.

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The Blu Klux Klan!

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 Post subject: Maya
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The Mayan version of the serpent on the tree. Given that this cylinder vessel is from Guatemala, it is most likely a python.

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 Post subject: Translation?
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2012 1:32 am 
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Guy Tarade:
UNE ENIGME POUR LES PROFANES...UN MYSTERE POUR LES INITIES.

A La Brigue, un linteau de porte, situé au N° 24 de la rue Filippi,et datant de 1476, irrite depuis bien longtemps la sagacité des tenants du symbolisme. Cette superbe pièce gravée, nous a été signalée par feu le Père Benoît Avéna, un prêtre érudit qui décoda toutes les énigmes dissimulées avec soin, dans les fresques de la chapelle de Notre-Dame-des Fontaines.
Nous demandons à tous nos amis de plancher sur cette archive unique, et de nous donner leurs impressions après l'avoir analysée.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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....and when i say it's interesting...it might seem to answer the riddle of the back-to-front N that has been bugging everybody for so long...

In the centre we have YHS, and we know it's a YHS....now then, look at the S...it looks like a back-to-front N does it not ?

so is the backwards facing N that turns up from time to time actually just an S ?


I'm wondering if this is a hangover from dodgy typsetting. Obviously carved type isn't typeset, but i wonder if illiterate stonemasons made mistakes by using paper based type to copy from, which may of been set badly. I know, i've done it myself, and it can be difficult to spot until printed. Add to that the fact that spelling wasn't really standardised until the 18th century, so anything may of been considered acceptable. Just a thought.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 25 Jan 2012 10:50 pm 
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Unfortunately my Latin is non existent, despite being forced to class all those years ago. I can see what you mean with the QU, possibly a space saving device by the stone mason, after all, that's a lot of text for a lintel! I did try to put it through Photoshop to see if inversion could make the letters a bit clearer, but alas, no. :(

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 Post subject: Quakes?
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2012 1:27 am 
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Thank you so much for your translation! That would make sense, a water source that had disappeared and

returned would be a sort of miracle worth commemorating. Sheila, I hope that you were able to see the deleted photo

from Madame IBJ, I thought it would interest you. Crow, I know you were warned about posting pix on the forum, but

really there is no reason not to - you have a lot to contribute.

Multiple quakes hit N. Italy today, I wonder whether any springs of water went missing.

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 Post subject: Parma
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2012 2:49 am 
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Do you have friends in this area?

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I know that Leonardo Da Vinci worked in N. Italy producing his war machine designs.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2012 9:19 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
IF YOU TAKE THE WATERS, DRINK PRUDENTLY AND CONSIDER THEIR ENDING FOR YOU WILL ONLY BE BLESSED ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN.....?

ah, did the springs dry up leaving the farmers with no water because of an earthquake...and the waters came back because they all got out there and prayed ? ....but when you take/drink the water, don't be greedy and only take what you need......ah, hang on a moment.....is this a case of "pay us your money" and you will be blessed by the amount that we fleece you by?
an "empty your purse and say after me" sort of thing ?

Hi Sheila, from your translation it reads to me as though the person "taking" the water should donate what they believe it is worth, however cheekily suggesting that "you will only be blessed according to what you've given".
If it was a religious/holy water, perhaps by law they could only ask for donations, so to get more cash in they grade the forgiveness/blessing on the amount donated.
A bit like Sauniere's masses by post or church collection plates ??? :?
I'm purely guessing and I haven't checked the translation as my Latin is non-existent ( school stopped teaching it the year before my GCSE's :x )
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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 26 Jan 2012 10:23 pm 
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Sheila wrote:
Hi Nic, i was going to take another stab at it but i've lost the will to live for tonight...i seem to be struggling upstream at the moment.

I never did any latin, i'm just guessing using only my common sense to guide me... thanks for your comments lad, but i find it very odd that there's not a single Latin scholar on this forum that's willing to stand up and have a go.

Hi Sheila, hope your motivation comes back soon. Someone must have done Latin here and I've never tried an online translator from Latin but there must be one? I'll have a look tomorrow as I'm bogged down with work at the mo.
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 Post subject: Fountains
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 1:51 am 
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There is such a tradition of sacred springs in France, Notre Dame de Marceille is famous for their fountain.
I like your translation Sheila, sorry the drawing was off.


From Roscoe: How's this particular French/Occitan Speaker sound to you?

"Within a little distance, to the top of the slope broadside of green trees leading to the sanctuary, a fountain drops drop by drop its limpid water in a basin of marble. With the help of large rains, the continuous water drop to fall with uniformity and times of great dryness do not tare it. The innumerable Christians who will pay homage to the Blessed Virgin, stop one moment with the fountain, and after having made a prayer, some drops of this water draw of which they wet their eyelids.

Why do they act thus? The majority are unaware of it; but the mother teaches with her sons, and those transmit to their children the pious practice of use with the fountain of Our Lady of Marceille. Thus the fountain is indicated; the old chroniclers, however, knew it under the name of fountain of Our-Lady of Marsilla. At the time of the occupation first of Gaules,"

This particular French Speaker is one:

Abbe Henri Boudet

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La Vraie Langue Celtique et Le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 6:22 am 
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Sheila wrote:
SIMI DA QUI s PRUDENTER AQUA SETRES PIRE FINEM NON ENIM HABEBI s INDUL QUENTIAM NI SIDEDERIS MODUS

c'mon gel, how's your latin ?

it can't be any worse than mine :D



Sheila how can you hope to translate this if you have no idea what the original text is? :)

Seems to me your version above bears only a faint resemblance to what is in the carved text.

For instance, where is the "u" in the carved text that you have in your first "qui"?

Ditto the "q" or "u" in "aqua"?

Here is a higher resolution image of the carved text -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... gue%29.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 8:15 am 
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I'm not sure if the second letter is an "m".

If you look closely at that high resolution image, the second character looks like staff with a hook at the top followed by a "n" or a "u".

Looking at the letters already represented in the text, the one that is not used is a "g". The hooked staff could be a "g" which would make the first few characters:

S I G N I.

This is the latin plural of "signum" strictly meaning "signal, standard". It might be loosely translated as "signs".

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Sheila wrote:
Fine, explain to me why you said that...how is trying to decypher an interesting bit of old text totally rubbish in your eyes ?


Well I'll ask the question YET AGAIN after asking it for dozens of time now.

"What has any of this got to do with Sauniere or Rennes le Chateau?"

If you continue to polute this section called RENNES LE CHATEAU with this utter garbage then surely first you have to justify you being here and answer the very very simple answer

"What has any of this got to with the section you are swamping?"

Look all you have to do is tell Andrew to make a new section for you and you can all go dancing down the blind alley on your own and not bother any of us who are not the slightest bit interested in this fabricated garbage.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
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Sheila wrote:
Hey, i'm not polluting anything...someone posted up a text that needed looking at...what's the problem ?
It's only garbage because you don't understand it...and why are you having a go at me...i just don't get it.


Damn right I don't understand it that's because nobody is saying anything about it and it annoys me because nothing else can get a word in edgeways.

I wouldn't mind so much if just one person, anyone, explained to me the Rennes le Chateau connection.

But I'm guessing now that nobody does this because they don't know the answer to this very simple question.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 8:52 am 
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Sheila wrote:
It's a black slate lintel in the south eastern tip of France on the Italian border, probably recuperated from an older building, i'm trying to decypher it out of interest, how's your latin ?


Gosh Latin on the France/Italian border. Well I never? :cry:

RENNES LE CHATEAU?

Got any answers Luv?

If not start your own section called:

CRISTA

and leave us alone.

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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 9:05 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Crista Controversy?
PostPosted: 27 Jan 2012 9:09 am 
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and leave us alone.


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Yep, thought so.

All one has to do is ask a direct question and they clam up immediately.

You get more like Roger every day.

Go on redeem yourself

Tell me what this has to do with Rennes le Chateau?

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