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You'd think so wouldn't you!

VAM

Yeah, well there's the mortal remains of a human being poked and prodded with an elongated stick. As I said howzabout some dignity for her/him.

Where's the bloody tomb then ? (excuse language)

Excessive for JZ Knight? I wouldn't say so at all!

TCP

Not much honor among grave robbers, apparently.

TCP

I would like to see the contents of the book that is in the cave.

well JZ Knight does have a bunch of money
but how does this body fit in with Ramtha



I agree but then people do crazy things

Please, the woman would sell her own teeth to acquire to body of "Mary Magdalene"...

TCP

She'll have to cut away a heap of collagen implant.

whoop John


Well I do understand a bit about the hmmm how can I put this
American verses Europe hard feelings about treasures

I have been visiting private collections and collectors here in America
what is interesting is that these American collectors who were some of the richest men in the world
came to Europe when the aristocracy was desperate for money

they scarfed up art treasures and books for very cheap

these treasures were lost to Europe

Well, I don't know Bruce, Ben, JZKnight or most of the folks mentioned here, but i know this.
I saw I think it was a year or two ago on ABC's Nightline Ben and his tomb. I saw the body in the tomb and the objects.I have not seen the movie Bloodline.
If this is the body of Mary magdalene or maybe the body of some important knight Templar,and the objects in the tomb are indeed real,and so is the body, then why have I not read in the paper or seen on television news or even on the internet at Yahoo or MSN news,BBC,etc. anything about "Amazing tomb discovery".The body believed by Ben Hammott
to be that of Mary Magdalene and the objects found in the tomb have been turned over for examination to the British Museum and the Louvre."
Nothing has happend in this regards.
I know Davy Crockett died at the Alamo,and can't recall right now what happend to his body.But let's say for the sake of argument that his body was somehow carried out of the Alamo and placed in a cave northeast of San Antonio.There are quite a few limestone caves around here.And lets say i was out exploring one day and came across the cave.As I look around I find this body,and there are objects and other thing pointing to this being Davy Crockett.Well I would try to write down the location of the cave,etc.and take photos if I have a camera on me.THEN I would contact UTSA (University of Texas at San Antonio ) about this and the Texas State Historical Society.
I'm sure they would contact the Daughters of the Republic of Texas who are in charge of the Alamo. In any case I would want this checked out and would cooperate with them in showing them the tomb cave,etc.Only reward I would want is just the acknowledgement that I discovered the cave and body,that's it, no money.
The point being,if this is such an amazing discovery, why haven't we heard anything about this? For crying out loud, there have been tv shows about the Davinci Code, Mary Magdalene,etc.Why then oh why have we not seen anything more on this????

I think there's enough to go around for everyone, if it's old stuff people want.

The only place I have ever felt physically sick about treasures is in Seville, Spain. The conquistadors brought all the silver and gold back, much of the Americas' heritage. There's a big tower down by the river they chucked it in before they melted it down and made it into Catholic stuff and bought private chapels to make themselves look big and important. The Cathedral and museum is full of it. Every old church in Seville has a bunch. During Semana Santa each church carries it around the streets. It's just vulgar and looks like an over-rich sugary cake. Where is the humility in all this?



Having said that, I really love Seville, it's a great place to visit for a while.

I just wanted to say to Bruce, if he's still around and looking at the posts here, that the hero of the film for me was the understated minimal music. I loved it.
Like on this page:
http://www.bloodline-themovie.com/media/

sadly so....humility doesn't seem to come into it at all.

I will say a few words about the tomb site though Ben is well able to speak for himself.
He is also wise enough and discrete not to release vital information so others may make false claims to steal his discoveries.
So I need say no more, having researched those areas that are inter-related to my boring Visigothic researches that confirm the certainly of Ben's discoveries. We of course continue to hold our own film footage taken on site which Ben is prudent enough to keep in reserve for when the final excavation does happen with full DRAC and Ben co-operation. There are those who would try to discredit and cast doubt demonstrating the neccessity to hold back information from those who would pillage.
There, I have said too much already!
What would happen if we ran out of imoticons

Dear Pat,

You are talking rubbish.

The cave that Bill Wilkinson took me too was the one we featured in 'Bloodline'. It was the same cave that I drove him too with my cameraman, and which Bill Wilkinson went into with the remote camera to collect the hair sample from the corpse. It also the cave that Bill Wilkinson took myself and the DRAC to. Are you now saying this isn't the same place where the tomb is?

As to your second point, I have never 'defamed' Bill Wilkinson. Unless you have had your head up your ass for the last two years, my film, and myself have been the greatest supporters of Bill Wilkinson and his 'discoveries'.

I went to that same site last year to meet with the DRAC. They said it was not possible there was a tomb there

Yet as always from team Wilkinson there is never any direct response to issues which have been raised and which would not compromise the location of the alleged tomb, or Bill W's putatively desired million bucks, or affect his possible impending lawsuit for allegedly desecrating an important archaeological site or perhaps allegedly fabricating of videos with intent to deceive for possible pecuniary gain.

Yes you do need to say more. Did you or did you not say something to the effect that you could see there was another bottle underneath the one Bill dug up, as Bruce asserts and which Bill W ignored, or was that Bruce's fabrication?

Bill W's already laid claim to his discoveries on film, don't be so silly.

Somebody is jerking someone's chain around here.

Your reputation when it comes to exposing your angle about Visigothic treasures 1, 2 and any subsequent sequels also depend on this, because of your adopted position supporting the tomb finding.

Pedantically they are called emoticons Bill, not imoticons. I know some hypnotists who can do some interesting and serious stuff with them, but that is a wholly different subject.

Dear Louvian,
I do think the body is real. The carbon dating proved that. But WHO is it? We have no idea of the year of death, sex or anything, until someone gets a better DNA sample. The problem was Bill W was only able to 'grab' about six hairs from the corpse, due to the difficulty of it. As for the hands, they do seem to been crossed in a similar fashion to those of the Magdalene in the altar painting in the church at RLC. Experts who I have discussed the tomb contents with have expressed surprise with the conflicting religious iconography though, the Templar Cross, the Christian Crucifix and the Star of David/Solomonic Star all in one place. 'Almost too good to be true perhaps' one told me. They also scoffed at the total lack of detritus, earth and general dirt on top of everything from the shroud to the gleaming golden objects.
thanks,

Dear TCP
Yes, sorry, I stand corrected on the Haplotype, as you state. As for the gender the mitochondrial DNA test did not reveal either the sex, or the date of date. I think we said that in 'Bloodline', and that it was Bill W's belief that it was Magdalene, not mine.
Thanks,

Dear Whoop_john,
The composer was Miriam Cutler (www.miriamcutler.com). She did a wonderful job.
Thanks,

Dear All,

I have the Audio file in which you can clearly hear Bill Kersey tell Bill Wilinson that there maybe a second bottle beneath the one that Bill W has just unearthed on Blanchefort. I will email it now to Andrew Gough, who has my permission to post it on the forum or email to anyone who wants it.

My interest in this whole affair, was, is and will be to get to the truth, about the RLC mysery, The Priory and its secrets, and of course anything that's buried in the area. I didn't do 'Bloodline' for money, and i have never had any intention of 'pillaging' any tomb.

I have chosen to turn the heat up on Kersey and Wilkinson, not out of any personal vendetta, as I have always got on well with them both, but to try and get them to show their hand. If they do have something, then gentlemen, please show it.

Thank you.

Bruce

Thanks Bruce so much
appreciate the answer...glad you don't think that is polystyrene or a dummy
I think your interview with Nic Haywood was interesting when he talked about "handling the goods" and his knowledge of the tombs in the area ....and having the evidence to prove it
that the combination of articles would give incontrovertible proof

I got the idea from that interview that the Priory knew about the tomb and what was in them
and from your emails with Nic in the "Priory of Sion Dossiers"
I have seen the hands of the body ...on statues and paintings in America and Ireland
I believe its spiritual, secret, and a old tradition

if the body and articles were all placed in the cave to promote an agenda of a certain group ...then I wouldn't be surprised
Then we have to wonder who this group is and what is the agenda

and we still have that body and the hands where did it come from
One thing that came out of this for me was the finding more of the hands like the Magdalene on the altar at Rennes
and evidence that it means something in connection with Mary Magdalene
(I'm not saying the body is Magdalene just somebody is connecting it with the hands of Magdalene at Rennes)

whoever found the body also knew that

I love mysteries and this is one heck of one

You don´t think the body is a fake but Bens Tomb??????????????????????

Are people questioning Ben`s integrity because he won`t reveal the location of the cave?

Of course he isn`t telling anyone!

An mtDNA test wouldn't reveal the gender of the corpse or specific dates (perhaps within thousands or tens of thousands of years depending on genetic mutations, but not specific dates of birth or death). A nuclear DNA test would reveal gender by the presence or absence of a Y chromosome. I don't recall any specific qualification of DNA interpretations in the film, and Ms. Barnett's response to my question at the Q&A following the screening I attended was evasive (although I got a few killing glares from women who had wept openly at the artist's rendition of a reconstructed "Magdalene" shown in the film just minutes before).

TCP