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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
PostPosted: 13 Jun 2011 5:29 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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What needs to be said is that the most shameful part of the whole episode is the way in which the reputation and integrity of a fellow researcher was used to add credence to their story.

I think the measured and controlled way in which she has handled two supposed friends involving her in their 'discoveries' has shown just how truly professional she really is.

It also shows that any researcher who is offered 'special information' or 'collaboration' should be very wary of the true motive.

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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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It also shows that any researcher who is offered 'special information' or 'collaboration' should be very wary of the true motive.


I think you're absolutely right about that, Ren-Man.

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 Post subject: The cup in the chest
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The wooden chest found in the cave. It contains a cup and a vase.

Is the vase an "alabastra"? What a magnificent discovery for Ben Hammott and his team!

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 Post subject: The cup in the chest
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This is an ancient kiddush cup replica - a wedding cup. It looks very similar

to the cup that Ben found in the wooden chest along with the velum in the vial

that led Sauniere to the original discovery of the parchments.

You have a problem with a reenactment of a scene for Bruce`s movie?

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 Post subject: Kiddush Cup
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A 19th c. silver kiddush cup.

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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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You have a problem with a reenactment of a scene for Bruce`s movie?


No.

I do have a problem with people that claim they have made a great discovery if in fact they haven't.

I also have a problem with people that forge ancient documents to then claim they are real.

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I do have a problem with people that claim they have made a great discovery if in fact they haven't.
That is called "lying".

Are you accusing the Tombman who in 1999 went online with THE tomb? :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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I do have a problem with people that claim they have made a great discovery if in fact they haven't.

I also have a problem with people that forge ancient documents to then claim they are real.

I quite agree with you! There's been quite a bit of that going on in some circles over the past decade or so.

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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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I do have a problem with people that claim they have made a great discovery if in fact they haven't.

I also have a problem with people that forge ancient documents to then claim they are real.

Raven,

Just be careful what you say.

Ive come home from a crap shift, to yet again read this kind of stuff.

I am telling you now to desist .... ive had it up to here with it all.


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 Post subject: Message in a bottle
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In Patrice`s book, "The Portal" each stop on the journey has key Kabbalistic elements unique to each

site. On of those things was "a tooth of a key" - it went with one of the cities they visited. That reminded

me of this drawing found by Ben Hammott and his team. On this key the tooth is a cross. It took a very bright

mind to figure out the location of the bottles with the messages and Team Hammott is to be commended. Leaving these notes

was the "task" of Sauniere and Marie. That task was given to them by the Society and they were paid handsomely for their efforts.

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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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Ok, if you persist, lets see if you can do this ....im sure i'll be in touch soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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You have no reason to be upset I think.
I didn't mention you anywhere and if you want to know, I wasn't referring to you either.

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 Post subject: Red Ink
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“It was obvious that La Diva was somewhat annoyed at this news and also by the not unsurprising (to me anyway) fact that the concierge had no idea as to who she was. La Diva then explained that she was a friend of Father Sauniere from Paris who had travelled a long way to see him and at that we were invited inside and taken into a rather dingy and sparsely furnished parlour where La Diva was installed in the only comfortable looking chair in the room. The concierge offered us some refreshment and bustled off to get it. I looked around the room and opening a door in the inside wall found myself in what must have been the priest's study. It was as poorly furnished as the parlour, a large desk, a bookcase two or three upright chairs and a wall-clock. On the dingy walls besides the usual religious objects, crucifix, statuette of the Virgin, etc. was a large scale map of Rennes and the surrounding countryside with certain locations ringed in red ink and also three well framed prints quite diverse in subject matter and looking somewhat incongruous in the study of a country priest. One was of what appeared to be the Temptation of St. Anthony clearly in the Dutch style but by an artist I did not recognize...."

An eye-witness observes a map with areas circled with red ink, he also saw surveying and assaying equipment in there. Some of Ben`s notes
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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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Other groups being watched include the Raelians, founded by a former sports-car journalist who claims to have had repeated encounters with aliens.

I've met this guy in Vienna in the late 70's. He was quite serious about his encounters and planned to build a temple in Jerusalem. I believe it's for aliens to sit down and talk to mankind. :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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Other groups being watched include the Raelians, founded by a former sports-car journalist who claims to have had repeated encounters with aliens.

I've met this guy in Vienna in the late 70's. He was quite serious about his encounters and planned to build a temple in Jerusalem. I believe it's for aliens to sit down and talk to mankind. :lol:



Send ET hame ! :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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well they did built a mountain in Close Encounters :lol: with mashed tattie as i recall.


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 Post subject: Re: Bloodline Movie, its Characters and Discoveries
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well they did built a mountain in Close Encounters :lol: with mashed tattie as i recall.


And proceeded to empty a couple of carts of sand in his living (no wonder his wife left him - all that cleaning up afterwards :lol: ).

As it happens there's a hill (Dechmont Law) a few miles from my house and a couple of decades ago a guy was allegedly abducted by aliens near it. And he maintained to the end of his life that it had happened to him. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taylor_incident


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And now I'm handed an interview of that Haywood entertainer by the Twyman woman... Not only is the Haywood character quite bold in his assertions (never a good idea to get carried away like that, Nick old boy), but they are both also pushing the apocalyptic message and tying in Bugarach! I also note that Haywood has been giving interviews to the Barnett woman.

If we're going to build an Asile de Fous, it's gonna have to be a BIG one!


Oh LORD, and I was just following up on the latest doings and whereabouts of Nick Weir, alias "Prince Nicholas de Vere von Drakenburg" yesterday and now along comes "Baroness Tracy Twyman de Vere von Drakenberg"! I thought she gave up her life of satanic fantasy fiction for normalcy and kids? And I suppose next we'll be hearing about the latest addition to the Dragon Dynasty, "Prince Mark Amaru Pinkham de Vere von Drakenberg"...? Can "Princess René Barnett de Vere von Drakenberg" be far behind? I wonder if Haywood is a member of the clan yet?

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 Post subject: Bethania
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Didn`t one of the owners of the Villa Bethania lose his wife and child to a cult? Very sad. Of course we had the Heaven`s Gate

comet cult here and lost the whole group. Bo and Peep, remember? It was the Hale-Bopp comet. Hale and Bopp live here

in Tucson which is an astronomy town.

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 Post subject: Re: Bethania
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Didn`t one of the owners of the Villa Bethania lose his wife and child to a cult? Very sad. Of course we had the Heaven`s Gate

comet cult here and lost the whole group. Bo and Peep, remember? It was the Hale-Bopp comet. Hale and Bopp live here

in Tucson which is an astronomy town.


You know of all the people on this forum - it's you I would worry about the most when it comes to these little "cultural revolutions", Renne.
Cults and psychological manipulation of certain vunerable sectors of the population is no laughing matter both secular and religious authorities take it seriously. I believe Roscoe posted up information awhile ago on the organisations dealing with study into cultic behaviour.



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Council of Europe

The Council of Europe has defined its stance on the scope of religious freedom since 1953 through the "European Convention on Human Rights".[9] In 1992 Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe responded to concerns about "sects and new religious movements" brought to them by concerned groups and families of ex-members. The Council asserted that existing measures on religious freedom made "major legislation on sects undesirable", yet they also recommended "that educational as well as legislative and other measures should be taken in response to the problems raised by some of the activities of sects or new religious movements".[10] In 1999 the Council recognized that since its 1992 statement "a number of serious incidents have taken place which have prompted the Assembly to study the phenomenon once again." In response they reaffirmed the 1992 recommendation and concluded "that it is unnecessary to define what constitutes a sect or to decide whether it is a religion or not."[11] In this recommendation the call on the member states to:


i. where necessary, to set up or support independent national or regional information centres on groups of a religious, esoteric or spiritual nature; ii. to include information on the history and philosophy of important schools of thought and of religion in general school curricula; iii. to use the normal procedures of criminal and civil law against illegal practices carried out in the name of groups of a religious, esoteric or spiritual nature; iv. to ensure that legislation on the obligation to enrol children at school is rigorously applied, and that appropriate authorities intervene in the event of non-compliance; v. where necessary, to encourage the setting-up of non-governmental organisations for the victims, or the families of victims, of religious, esoteric or spiritual groups, particularly in eastern and central European countries; vi. to encourage an approach to religious groups which will bring about understanding, tolerance, dialogue and resolution of conflicts; vii. to take firm steps against any action which is discriminatory or which marginalises religious or spiritual minority groups.

[edit] European Union

On May 22, 1984 the European Parliament passed a resolution with the title "New Organizations Operating Under the Protection Afforded to Religious Beliefs" that expressed the Parliament's concern about the recruitment and treatment of the members of these new organizations.[12]

In March 1997, a "Resolution on cults in Europe" by the European Parliament reaffirmed its attachment to the basic principles of democracy and the rule of law (such as tolerance, and freedom of conscience, religion, thought, association and assembly) as well as calling on its Committee on Civil Liberties and Internal Affairs to meet and work on collecting and sharing information that would enable the drawing of conclusions on the best way to restrain undesirable activities by sects and on strategies to raise public awareness about them.[13]

On December 22, 1997 the Committee on Civil Liberties and Internal Affairs released an amended resolution named "Resolution on Cults in the European Union" and originally intended for voting on by the European Parliament in Strasbourg during the session of January 1998. The plenary of the European Parliament in July 1998 rejected the text of the resolution, with anti-cultists seeing it as too weak and religious-liberties activists considering it out of the scope of the European Parliament to decide. The resolution went back to the Commission for further consideration.[citation needed]

[edit] France


Main articles: About-Picard law and Status of religious freedom in France

Following the 1995 mass-suicides of adepts of the Order of the Solar Temple, the French Parliament set up a Parliamentary Commission, led by MP Alain Gest, and encouraged public caution towards groups that it classed as cults. In December 1995 the Commission parlementaire sur les sectes en France ("Parliamentary Commission on cults in France") published its report (also known as the Rapport Gest-Guyard). The document classified various movements and qualified as cults those movements which it considered represented a potential threat either toward the adepts themselves or toward society and the state. The Parliament also adopted legislation[citation needed] making it easier to prosecute alleged crimes committed by cults. However, both the reports and the legislation have proven controversial in some circles; Scientology, in particular[citation needed], refuses to accept its classification as a cult. Whatever the stance adopted, the report provides a serious categorization of new religious movements and other cultic phenomena, and attempts to define what constitutes a "cult", notwithstanding the necessary respect of freedom of religion and the 1905 French law on the separation of Church and State.

French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin issued a circulaire in May 2005 calling for renewed vigor in the fight against cults, and indicating in passing that the list of cults published in the 1995 parliamentary report had become less relevant over time as the methods and forms used by cults evolved.[14]

The French Parliament passed a law (the About-Picard law) in 2001 which (its proponents declared) aimed at repressing the excesses of groups infringing human rights and fundamental freedoms. The law makes it possible to prosecute organizations (rather than just individuals) for a number of crimes already represented in the criminal code; in the case of established criminal behavior by an organization, courts may disband the organization. Legislators rejected a provision criminalizing "mental manipulation", included in early drafts, because of concerns about the vagueness of this notion.

This legislation attracted some concerned remarks, but no condemnation, from the Helsinki International Federation for Human Rights,[15] the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, an Investigatory Commission for Violations of Human Rights hosted by the Omnium des Libertés, and from minority religious groups. The US government under the Clinton administration also expressed criticism. Critics argued that improper application of such legislation could result in the arbitrary banning of unpopular religious groups; and that the legislation fostered in the public and amongst officials an atmosphere of discrimination against members of emerging religions.


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For more details on this topic, see Religious freedom in France, Parliamentary Commission on Cults in France, MIVILUDES.

In 1995, a parliamentary commission of the National Assembly of France on cults produced its report[6] (in French: compare an unofficial English translation). The report included a list of purported cults compiled by the general information division of the French National Police (Renseignements généraux — a French police service) in association with cult-watching groups.

In May 2005 the then Prime Minister of France, in a circulaire[18] (which stressed that the government must exercise vigilance in continuing the fight against the cult-phenomenon,[18] said that the list of movements attached to the Parliamentary Report of 1995 had become less pertinent, based on the observation that many small groups had formed: scattered, more mobile, and less-easily identifiable,[18] and that the government needed to balance its fight against cults with respect for public freedoms and laïcité (secularism).[18] The Prime Minister asked his civil servants to update a number of ministerial instructions issued by previous commissions, to apply criteria set in consultation with the Interministerial Commission for Monitoring and Combating Cultic Deviances (MIVILUDES), and to avoid falling back solely on lists of groups for the identification of cultic deviances.

Subsequent French parliamentary commissions on cults reported on specific aspects of cult activity in 1999[19] and in 2006.[20]


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The French Parliamentary report of 1999 on cults and money[23] concentrated its attention on some 30 groups which it judged as major players in respect of their financial influence.[24] It underlined the non-exhaustive character of its investigations, seeing them as a snapshot at a point in time and based on informatiion available.[25]

The groups examined included:[23][24]
Anthroposophie (Anthroposophy)
Au Cœur de la Communication (At the Heart of Communication)
Contre-réforme catholique (League for Catholic Counter-Reformation)
Dianova (Ex-Le Patriarche) (Dianova (formerly: the Patriarch))
Église du Christ (Boston Church of Christ)
Église Néo-apostolique (New Apostolic Church)
Énergo-Chromo-Kinèse (ECK)
Fédération d'agrément des réseaux (ex-Groupement européen des professionnels du marketing) (Federation of the networks of agreement (formerly: European Grouping of Marketing Professionals (GEPM))
Fraternité blanche universelle (Universal White Brotherhood; compare Great White Brotherhood)
Invitation à la Vie (Invitation to Life)
Innergy (Insight Seminars)
Krishna (Hare Krishna movement)
Landmark (Landmark Education)
Mahikari (Sûkyô Mahikari)
Mandarom
Méthode Avatar (Avatar Method)
Moon (Unification Church)
Mouvement du Graal (Grail Movement)
Mouvement Raëlien (Raelian Movement)
Nouvelle Acropole (New Acropolis)
Office culturel de Cluny (Cultural office of Cluny – National Federation of Total Animation)
Ogyen Kunzang Chöling
Orkos (Anopsology)
Pentecôte de Besançon (Evangelical Pentecostal Church of Besançon)
Prima Verba
Rose-Croix - AMORC (Rosicrucian Order)
Rose-Croix d'Or (Gold Rosicrucian Brotherhood)
Scientologie (Scientology)
Soka Gakkaï (Sōka Gakkai)
La méthode Silva (The Silva Method)
Témoins de Jéhovah (Jehovah's Witnesses)
Tradition Famille Propriété (Tradition Family Property)


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[edit] Canadian Security Intelligence Service (1999)

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A Canadian Security Intelligence Service report of 1999 discussed "Doomsday Religious Movements espousing hostile beliefs and having the potential to be violent.."[5] Groups classified as "Doomsday Religious Movements"[5] included:
the Branch Davidians
Canada's Order of the Solar Temple
Aum Shinrikyo

The report referred to Aum Shinrikyo at one point as the "Aum cult".[5]

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Hey can anybody tell me what Haywood said and Twyman

I do know on Bloodline Haywood mentioned a "Deluge"

As a person here who just drove through Arkansas Tennessee Missouri

I have NEVER seen the White River and others Mississippi and Missouri over their banks like this(deluge is right)

the water is encroaching the major Highway ...no news media coverage...all we get to hear about is Weiner :roll:

Meanwhile I'm located in the WORST drought then drive through Joplin which was annihilated by wind speeds

Global warming or Climate change what ever ...these changes going on with Earth are incredibly serious

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Hey can anybody tell me what Haywood said and Twyman.


Yeah, can you pay me 50,000 dollars (AUS) I'll tell you everything you want to know, I'll even get on the Magical Mystery Tour to Mt Bugarach Potato Mash and a copy of the Blu-ray.
Free raspberry cordial at the end.

That's the offer on my deal, Not Negotiable and I'm sticking to it :!:

So what do you say Lovuian, You on?

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:lol: :lol: :lol: you tease Rain

Somebody who was a dear angel sent it to me

As a person who has been researching it
It is a wild trip
Haywood is quite a fascinating character
He was one of my favorite characters in the movie

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:lol: :lol: :lol: you tease Rain

Somebody who was a dear angel sent it to me

As a person who has been researching it
It is a wild trip
Haywood is quite a fascinating character
He was one of my favorite characters in the movie


I bet your dear Angel didn't include the tour, ah well you lucked out.
It was going to be amazing, I thinking of including Alice in wonderland mushrooms and all.

As for Haywood - he's a complete caricature of himself. I wonder while he's busy sniggering and sneering through the interview he realises just how hilarious he really is.
He reminds of Dick Dastardly from the wackey races.

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