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Hi Whoop John,

Well. Ben gave me clips from two films that he shot with two different camcorders back in 1999 when he said he first discovered the tomb. He told me that he filmed them by connected some flexible wooden rods to the end of the camera then lowering it down the shaft into the tomb. The first footage was shot 'by accident' when his camera had fallen down the shaft, resting on a small ledge with the camera's lens and light soource conveniently pointing direcly down into the tomb. The second one he deliberatley lowered down into the tomb. The two cameras have different picture quality and react differently with the light. One is very 'grey' and one is very 'green and yellow'. Anway, they both show the interior of the same tomb. it is damp, the top of the cloth is damp, there is water collected in a small bowl by the head of the corpse and the crucufix is intact. Subsequently I believe that Ben went back to the site to try and 'grab' some artifacts, and in the proess knocked the candlestick off the chest which has the book sitting on it.

Once he has met me in 2006, we provided him with a remote camera, flexible carbon fibre rods, and guide cord, which allowed him to drop the camera down the shaft, into the tomb and roughly control it by the guide cords. The camera was linked to a small video monitor inside the cave.

When he filmed this it was clear that there had been some sort of rockfall. The crucifix was broken into a few pieces and large rocks were strewn across the floor. The tomb was also bone dry, as there was no dampness to be seen, and the air was full of dust.

My thoughts were that since his last filming/grabbing sometime between when he discovered it and 2006 that he has sealed up the shaft with foam and therefore allowed the site to dry out. The rockfall mght have been as a result of this dryness, or from his own efforts to gain access. i have no idea.

When I took Ben to meet Antoine Captier, there was a man from Carcassonne Museum there, a friend of Antoine's who was an expert in medieval tombs. We showed him Ben's footage and he laughed out loud. he said it looked like a 'mise en scene', a film set because everything looked like it had been put there a week ago.

Are Ben's discoveries real?

It's a question I've been asked everywhere I go. The answer is that for years I was convinced they were, overlooking issues I had, but now, with his senseless and groundless refusal to allow a professional excavation of the tomb, to preserve what's there, and to allow us all to benefit from whatever inforamtion or revelations are contained within, I'm not so sure.

if it IS what he think it is, i.e the body of Magadalene and priceless artifacts connected to the 'Bloodline' then why won't he let it be excavated? First he said he was worried about the DRAC, then I introduced him to the DRAC and they were fine. They wanted to help. Then he changed tack. Now he wanted money, a million pounds. So I got him a six fugure offer from a major TV station. Then he changed tack again. Now it was about the Vatican taking control.

Exaperating. I was once talking to Simca Jacobovitch about Ben and his Tomb. Simca had discovered the 'Jesus Tomb' in Jerusalem. He said he just didn't understand how, and had never before encountered someone, who had discovered a tomb that they believed was so important, and yet had SAT on it for a decade.

But hey, he's selling books, right?

Make of that what you will. Many already have.

Ben's (sorry Sauniere's) Parchments.

I wanted to say one last thing. When Ben found bottle three up on Blanchefort, I went with him and our cameraman/producer Edwardo Flaherty. I must admit that I thought the whole treasure was silly beyond belief, so I took a nap in the bushes, while Ben, Bill Kersey and Sandy Hamblett mooched about with trowels. And Guess what, they found a crack in the 'Guardian' rock which resembled (???) the crack on one of the stations of the cross in the church, in which was stone marker, and although they's removed it, somehow remembered that it pointed in a certain direction (???) which led to a rock, under which was....yes, you've guessed it, the small brownish bottle contained clue three.

Glad I was sleeping off lunch.

Anyway, as Ben triumphantly removed the bottel from the soil, our camera caught Bill Kersey saying that he thought there was another bottle underneath it. Either Ben didn't hear him, or just ignored him, who know's. But why would Mr Kersey say that?

Back at the edit suite in Los Angeles, I lsitened and re-listened to the audio. it was clear that kersey was sure there was another bottle there.

So guess what? A week or so later I get a call from Ben. He says he has worked out the clues and that it pointed to another bottle being at the same site as the last one. OH REALLY BEN? maybe you were listening to the ol' timer after all.

Ben claims he went back to that same rock, and HEY PRESTO, there was ANOTHER CLUE bottle.

Had Laurel and Hardy ( sorry Ben and Bill) cooked this merde up?

I told Ben, who acted cool, bit not surprised. he said Bill was a devout Mormom who couldn't possibly cook something like this up. When I contact Bill he was first affronted, then evasive and eventually called me back saying that I couldn't handle the truth!

He then admitted that he had received instructions as to where this other bottle was..from Jesus.

The other strange thing was that I had all the 'Sauniere' docs analysed by French Scholars, including Daniel Duges the RLC buff from Limoges University. He said that in several places the spelling was atrocious, but more worringly, the SYNTAX was just wrong. It was English, not French. As you know the English phrase their sentences differently. He said that whoever wrote these documents, THOUGHT in English not french, in some places.

Quel Horreur!!!! So how could this be? Was our good Cure so distressed that he was forced to think in ANGLAIS as he wrote his 'super secret famous five treasure island message in a bottle ' notes?

Or did someone else write them, and plant them. someone knocking around RLC since henry lincoln's time? someone who tried to get the BBC to look under rocks in RLC in the 70's? someone who 'translated' de Sede's book? someone who has a bad grasp of french (look at footage of him trying to translate the message in the kitchen)?

et tu Bill K?

I really think these clowns should come clean.

This was brought up immediately upon seeing the "parchments", on this very forum, quite some time ago. It was glaringly obvious.

then Roger, I suggest this forums gets a satisfactory answer out of Kersey and Wilkinson. I have to say that I never felt Sandy was party to any skullduggery.

Why am I writing all this?

I think it's time that certain people came clean. I'm as passionate about RLC as I was when I started this, but I'm tired of petty, greedy timewasters, who just obscure the search for the real truths in the area. They all know who they are.

I'm slightly embarrased that I championed 'ben's' discoveries as strongly as I did, all over America, only to find him an avaricious little man who couldn't or wouldn't back up his claims with action.

So Ben. If you do have the Magadalene in that pit. Please give it up. Stop asking for money. Stop stalling and let's move this whole mystery to the next level.

Bill Kersey, admit your role in the bottle/parchment fiasco. it was really rather good.

Fair enough?

As for me? the Third Secret of Fatima awaits.

My best to you all.

Hi roger,
I did reply but the forum seems to have lost it. Here goes again. reply in CAPS.


1.Ben alleges that there was a visit to the actual "tomb site" by officials from DRAC.
Is this something that you can corroborate? Was the owner of the land ever contacted by Ben, by DRAC, or by anyone else?
YES. I MET THE DRAC AT TOMB WITH BEN. I ARRANGED IT. HE SHOWED THEM THE SITE, BUT NOT THE LOCATION OF THE SHAFT. THE SECOND TIME I ARRANGED FOR DRAC TO COME AND ACTUALLY SHOW THEM THE SHAFT, BEN DID NOT SHOW UP.

2] Ben alleges that he has been having ongoing discussions with DRAC towards finally excavating the "tomb". Can you corroborate this?
I INTRODUCED BEN TO DRAC. WE MET WITH MR GIRAUD AT MONTEPELLIER TWICE. ONCE TO OFFICIALLY REPORT THE SITE AND SHOW THEM THE FOOTAGE AND ONCE TO DISCUSS AN EXCAVATION. THEY HAVE SINCE WRITTEN TO ME LAST YEAR SAYING THEY THINK BEN'S SITE IS A FAKE AND THREATENING TO REPORT HIM TO THE POLICE.

3] Can you expand upon and clarify "all about the Vatican taking control"?
HIS PARANOIA. NO EVIDENCE FOR IT.

EDITED TO ADD: 4] Are you aware that the excavated "chest" containing middle-eastern artifacts had not been in that very spot some decades before Ben's "discovery"?
NO IDEA ABOUT THAT. IT WAS OLD AND MOULDY. BUT THE STUFF INSIDE COULD EASILY HAVE BEEN BOUGHT IN THE JERUSALEM SOUK FOR $200. CLAIRE CORBU ONCE TOLD ME THAT A RELATIVE OF MARIE D HAD BURIED A CHEST IN SOME LAND THEY OWNED ABOUT THE CLOULEURS, BUT WHO KNOWS.

On a different topic altogether, you seem to ascribe some credibility to Mr. Haywood. Can you explain why? Surely you know that almost everyone else thinks he's a poor study and quite the joker.
I ENJOYED MY MEETINGS WITH HIM. IS HE IN THE PRIORY? NO IDEA. IS A FANTASIST? MAYBE. DOES IT MATTER? NOT REALLY? HISTORY DOES SEEM TO THROW UP THESE BIZARRELY COLORFUL CHARACTERS LIKE NIC & PLANTARD, BUT WHAT IS THEIR PURPOSE WE SHOUDL ASK OURSELVES.

FEEL FREE TO ASK AWAY ROGER.

Perhaps under the eye of the police the tomb can be located by DRAC.

A quick re-cap...

http://www.benhammott.com/drac_meetings.html

Armand Hammer - "hero" of Piper Alpha

It was hard to find a frame in either of the two early video sequences where the scene stays still enough to get a clear picture, so I can forgive you for not seeing the discrepancies that are there if one is sad enough to pick the videos apart fame by frame. My bottom picture is the very yellow version you mention - presumably the earlier one. I adjusted the bad colour cast. The later version seems simplified and an attempt to recreate the more complex original scene.



What appears to be two books on the box by the tomb have morphed into one deeper object that looks like a box that no longer overlaps its box. The studded casket at the head of the catafalque has disappeared. Perhaps Gino crept into the crypt, crapped and crept out again with it? The water-stained shroud has a bigger pot, empty of water, at it's head and no apparent water staining of the shroud on the later video.

With regard to your later comment about the cell drying out after it was sealed by the urethane foam, in reality the opposite would occur. If air is allowed into the chamber any air movement will tend to carry moisture away and dry the place out. Sealing moisture in will quickly lead to algae, rot and decay setting in. This is why UK building authorities insist on putting 'breathers' into roof spaces, to allow air circulation to prevent rot setting in.

The scenes are bad. Both of them. Neither are realistic. I was once a film modelmaker - I'd have been shot for making such crude stuff.

Is it true that she wanted to buy the body of MM in case you would get your hands on it?
Is this a serious question?
YES!
Another question: Is she pissed that you couldn´t manage it to give her the right location?

Do really think 'Ben' has told us the truth Pat?

NO!
Ben told ME the truth and thats why you started to defame Ben!
I know the tomb is real, I know the real location-but I DON´T want to make any penny with this knowledge!
I was the one who always said to Ben-DONT TRUST BRUCE! And glad he didn´t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Messages are more than simple french letters.....

Yes, I believe it matters who Haywood and Plantard are.

1.) Plantard had ties to Le Cercle that has been described as a foreign policy think-tank specialising in international security which include keeping intelligence on revolutionary parties, cults, psuedo religious organisations, Occult corporate interactions, historical readactives and policy/politics/power exchanges.
While maybe low on the ladder Plantard was able to use these mysteries to his advantage and provide deep level disinformation that continues to this day. If Haywood is of this "Joker set" then is he someone that has used his position to forward his agenda???
Haywood was identified on another thread as using Freemasonry signals which suggests he identified his interview in Bloodline with Political Anglo-centric Freemasonry ideology and political-security agenda.

2.) Your partner claims you did not know who Haywood was before the film and you hired a P.I. to research him, is this correct? And yet when looking over you body of work I noticed you did work for his father's charity and I assumed you would have prior contact at least with knowledge of him beforehand.

3.) You also work closely with advertising groups that promote Israeli-American interests, is this correct? Your advertising for "Bloodline" used a viral marketing campaign, Correct?

4.) Why did you choose the name "blue book films?"

5.) From your website

http://www.bruce-burgess.com/mainpage.html





And what do you think you've learned in such diverse ranges of topics? And what to your mind are the links?

You also work with some very dangerous people including a unit of the Spanish Police Bodyguards - "In the firing line
and you were doing some prep on a doco about "elite israeli commando unit" The sion ??? Which seems to have dissappeared.
How do you reconcile such serious topics with dealing with the Jokester element of the mythical "Priory of Sion" and bloodline characters which you clearly have issues with now?

BTW when you say Jokester in English there are only a few translations such as The Fool, the iniate, the realised.
In French there are about 18 different levels or there abouts of the Jokester and it is a specific vernacular relating to the level of an esotericist and their ranking according to their abilities. Plantard never aspired to being an occultist in the strictest sense unlike De Cherisey it seems, he used it for political leanings although he seemed to be conversant in it's language - We know people such as Da Vinci (at one stage Armand Hammer owned the Codex Leicester - 18 sheets completing 72 page document ), Calve(through her mother which were identified as being Nightingales) , Verne, Sands and artists Dali and Cocteau were.
I just though I would mention this because when you use the terminology it implies that you think they were "JOKESTERS" and all that goes along with that.

He won't tell it.

Hi Lousie,
The Vatican 'insider' thing he refers to is nonsense, as is his claim to want to use the excavation of the tomb for 'public good'. It's all about the money with him. I have the email and chat records. As for the 50/50 thing, this was as result of our work with the DRAC and lawyers in Paris, not Ben. Without us he would still be peddlling his stuff on that orginal website. He uses the veiled threat of 'Men in Black from Rome' as an excuse not to reveal that his tomb is a fake. If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong Mr Wilkinson.

Hi Rain,
Is it possible that Nicolas Haywood was part of the same 'disinformation' effort as Plantard. Yes, absolutely. And no, I did not know Haywood before we started filming. I was put in touch with Nicolas by a close friend of mine, Rob Howells, as you see in the film. As for the web of mystery and connections you have spun around me, I can only smile. I have assidously avoided joing any groups like masons or cults or secret scieties, because my job, for the last 15 years or so has been to report and investigate, not partake. So yes, I've reported on the Holy Grail, The Ark of the Covenenant, ETA, Area 51, Al Quaeda, Osama Bin Laden, The Priory of Sion, Prince William, The Bermuda Triangle and much more to come.

I also wanted to state that my contacts with Antoine Captier and Claire Corbu and others we interviewed, as well as the DRAC, were facilitated by someone who knows who they are, and without them, 'Bloodline' would not have been made to some extent. They provided a solid 'sounding-board' for much of my research, warning me of the fakers and always reminding me of underlying truths of the area, that really do transcend the grubby, egocentric lies of 'treasure seekers'. I wish I'd listened less to 'the tombman' and made the case for his 'discoveries' in my film, and listened more to my friend. They warned me about the 'magic mirror' of RLC, which reflects want you want to see, and not what you should see.

Bruce,
Thank you for your considered and candid responses to our questions.
As you will have seen these fundamental issues have been highlighted on the Forum for a while. Its gratifying to see that they were, indeed, pertinent and grounded ones.

Its disappointing though not suprising that Bill has taken to comment rather flippantly on another thread without addressing the issues you raise about his role on this one.
I'm sure that you will join us all in hoping that he might set the record straight here.
Apart from reasons of Church affiliaton I cannot imagine even Bill would think that identifying himself with Renne will, in any sense, enhance his credibility.

TD

och, i'm going to have to bite the bullet then and actually watch this film.

"If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong Mr Wilkinson."
Why should he?
He never would work again with people like you who only want to make money with his tomb. You are a greedy personality Mr. Burgess. Because you are not longer in the team you started a crusade against Ben! You know the tomb is real but you don´t know where to find it and that makes you angry...
And to be honest-without Bens discovery your film would be not really good, what do you think? Many people said so, as soon Ben appears the film is getting interesting.

Can you please answer my question? Unfortunately you forgot it:

Is JZ Knight pissed that you didn´t manage it to give her the right location?

Maybe we should ask her????

credability?

So we are clear about this Pat, are you speaking on behalf of Bill and Ben here?
Or is this your own initiative to attempt to deflect attention from the questions raised?

I seem to recall you're not too great at answering direct questions yourself.

None of these points are directed at you so unless you are speaking with any authority from Ben or Bill maybe you should let them speak for themselves?

Make no mistake about it these issues are fundamental to their credibility and even their probity.

TD

Surely only Weed can do that?

VAM

How interesting that your friend mentions the "Magic Mirror" - unusual metaphor - it would be something I would listen to, unfortunately it's rarely if never discussed on this forum.




Thanks for your candid response.
BTW I didn't weave it, it's just the "facts/people/organisations" that seem to surround and be attracted to you do have connections and I saw the familiar pattern. So I'd thought I'd ask your take.

VAM, You've no idea how hard I struggled to avoid that comic reference!
Low hanging fruit and all that!
Or are you referring to something else recreational?
TD

Just an innocent comment as usual!



VAM