Arcadia Discussion Zone

I'm new here, and glad to have finally joined up. it's been a long journey to this point, some seven years now, since 'Bloodline' was conceived, and I haven't really said that much about what was discovered, my time with Nic Haywood, 'Ben Hammott', Gino Sandri, Gerard Thome and the rest. Many others have had a lot to say, but frankly, they weren't there. It's well over two years since my film came out, and now, after some time to for reflection, I'd be happy to answer any questions any of you may have, clear up any queries and generally share what I know and think. So ask away. I look forward to hearing from you. thanks, Bruce.
www.bruce-burgess.com

Good for You Bruce!
Welcome aboard, I hope you've had all the appropriate shots!
The usual rules apply;
1. If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably not a Duck.
2. If its ticking don't touch it.
3. Normal rules of golf apply, Mr Bond.
4. The crazy ones are easy to spot but harder to dissuade.
5. Check in your hat at the door but keep your preconceptions at hand.
6. The really friendly ones are the most dangerous at feeding time.

Apart from that make yourself at home!

TD

Edited to add;
First easy question, Looking back on the Bloodline film with the benefit of hindsight, is there anything you would have done differently ?

TD

Hello Bruce
and Welcome

I thought everybody was great in the movie and all my friends guys and girls screamed when Ben panned the body and saw the hands....too cool
Nic Haywood was great as well as Steve and Howell and Ben and you


I have noticed the symbolic hands in America and Ireland
one in St Louis another in Knock Ireland at the Shrine and another at Miraculous Medal Shrine in Missouri

Did Nic Haywood ever talk about the American side of the Priory do you think?

Hello Bruce,are you still in regular contact with Ben?

Welcome Bruce,

What was the deciding factor that led you to make a film like Bloodline? Was it an interest for the subject matter itself, or just pure curiosity?

Thanks.

good to see you Bruce

Hi Bruce, welcome aboard.

Did you indeed pay 200.000 $ to Mr. Lhuillier as was first reported?
And if not so - how much did it cost to get the allowance to shoot inside the church, the villa, the tower?

Bruce, Ben states in his book that "his" tomb was between Coustaussa and Serres and that he found a suitable place to cross the river - making the location south of the road. There's only 2 places to cross the river between those 2 towns, one pratically opposite Coustaussa, one a few hundred yards along the road to Serres. I picked the latter and spent a good couple of hours searching around to no avail. In you film when Ben takes you close to his tomb he says he will be 2 hours. Was he actually 2 hours? The terrain around there is pretty wild and I hate to think what it was like at night. I expected any cave to be close to the track as I just couldn't see anyone finding it in the dark even with previous experience if it were a long way off track. Plus with all the clearing out he had to do it seems 2 hours would not be enough time. This is presuming I got the right place

welcome

Hello Roger,

I presume you are speaking of Lord Litchfield? As I recall, he was a friend of yours. Is that correct?

Best,
Paul

Hi Bruce!
Jsut wondering if you have any time or interest in my (Dan Green) own conclusions surrounding the outcome of this Mystery, and its overall conclusion alat Lincoln Cathedral? It would be nice for a comment, whatever you have to say, Ben and I have swopped emails many times and he is quite tolerant and respectful of my work. If the conclusion of 'Bloodline' is having walked into a well staged set up to lead you astray, Lincoln would be a good start to think elsewhere.

If I can insert a question of my own here, I'd like to know why the DNA haplogroup result for the corpse found in Hammott's tomb was presented in the film as pointing conclusively to a "Middle Eastern" origin for the deceased...?

TCP

Sorry this has taken a few days to get back to you all, I'm just getting the hang on this forum thing. I guess what I would have done diffferently would have been to be more critical and circumspect of 'ben hammott' and his discoveries, and not featured him so heavily in the film, which resulted in us having to edit out people like antoine captier and claire corbu. In hindsight, 'ben' is really diffrent to the other treasure hunters in the area. Douzet has his 'model' and his 'tomb' in Perillos, Thome has his 'parchments', and 'Hammott' has his tomb. Are any of them real ? Do any of them believe in their 'discoveries' ? Maybe. From my very personal, hands-on experience with these three, I think it is a complex mix of desire, passion, ego, delusion and greed. Is any of it real ? I think you have to make up your own minds about it. 'Ben' claims to have discovered the 'tomb' back in 1999. I met him in 2006. Over four years on and I have spent months trying to get him to allow an excavation with the DRAC, and he has always delayed, obfuscated and pulled out at the last moment. I think that speaks volumes.

Dear High King,
Nicolas always refered to the Americans as 'the American Contingent'. I believe that Armand Hammer was connected.

Crimson Ghost,
I'm not in contact with Ben anymore. His refusal to move forward with the excavation of his 'tomb' site, depsite numerous promises by him to do so, was simply exasperating, and frankly doesn't make any sense, unless it was all a hoax to flog his books. Ben has asked me for one million pounds to 'open' his tomb, which obviously was ridiculous. But I went away and lined up the DRAC, and a major TV Channel who were willing to pay him a six figure sum, and even then he pulled out at the last minute.

Thorstein,
Back in 2003 I had just made a documentary for Discovery Channel and Channel 5 in UK called 'In Search of the Holy Grail' in which I interviewed Michael Baigent. Rene Barnett, the producer, of 'Bloodline' was the one who convinced me to make a documentary about RLC, The Priory and the Bloodline.

Dear Eginolf,
I never paid Mr Huillier a centime, but my Los Angeles based company, Bluebook Films, did sign a contract with the Mairie, which stills stands, that it would finance 200,000 euros towards a proper archaelogical survey of the church, should the DRAC ever approve it. This deal was written up in the AUDE newspaper back in 2005/6. As for the location costs for shooting in the church, it wasn't much.

Dear Davinho,
Let me first say that we went to great lengths in the film to make sure that it would be impossible to work out the location of 'Ben's Tomb' from the footage. He has likewise done so in his book. That's all I think i should say for now.

Roger,
Who's death are you referring to?

Dear Roger,
I just saw Paul's question to you. If you were referring to the death of Lord Litchfield, then yes, in hindsight, I do regret including that sequence in the film. The events, and conversations with Nicolas did unfold exactly as I told them, but I didn't mean any distress to Patrick's family. As for doing it for publicity, we never sought any, from the 'Litchfield' incident, nor was it in the films's trailer.

Hi Dan,
I think we too have exchanged emails over the past few years about your Lincoln theories. it's not for me I'm afraid, but good luck with it.

Dear TCP,
This particular Haplogroup orginated about 40,000 years ago in North Africa and the Middle East. It is apparently quite rare to find eveidence of that particular Haplogroup in Western Europe.

Hi Bruce!
Nice that you will answer all the questions we have! So lets start:

How do you explain that Ben managed to film the tomb with YOUR equipment?
How do you explain the "quite rare eveidence of that particular Haplogroup in Western Europe" hair sample Ben took for YOU out of the tomb?
Have you payed Ben any centime for his 4 years work?
How is the relationship between you and JZ Knight (Ramtha School of Enlightment)?
Is it true that she wanted to buy the body of MM in case you would get your hands on it?
Why have I seen her (with my own eyes) digging in a cave near Rennes?
Please answer properly (Don´t forget I had a lot of email corespondence with you and Rene)

I wish you all the best 4 your future!

Cheers,

Pat

Hello Bruce and thank you for participating.

A while back I did an analysis of the tomb pictures we have been shown. These are two versions before the 'wrecked one' that came later.

We are told that the pictures were taken through a narrow kinked hole with no direct line of sight into the tomb. Thus the only possible views are from a narrow field of vision with little possibility of waggling the camera about. It can go up and down and turn around, but not fly around the room.

Here are two pictures. The top one I have had to massively distort to obtain anything like the same view as the bottom one - the cameras were nowhere near each other and cannot be the result of simply one shot being higher than the other - we'd see a more or less zoomed in picture, perhaps rotated, but the view angle should be roughly the same.



Disregarding the impossible camera angle - it seems that almost every prop in the room has changed in some way. Not just moved about, they are totally different, in size, scale, position and quantity. The shrouds over the bodies don't match at all.

What about the film footage? We see Ben looking into the hole, which we've been told you cannot actually see through and is half gunked up with urethane foam. He's saying 'bloody hell' etc., to a blank hole. If he'd been looking to the video monitor on the ledge to his side, where he could see what the camera sees, it would be far more plausible. I think you got played here Bruce.

I showed the pictures to a lady who does set design for films and theatre and is an expert at making and painting sets to match previous scenes. She just laughed. There is no possibility in her mind that we can be seeing two pictures of same thing. At least one of them must be a fake. If one is fake it makes us doubt the other one too.

How do you explain that Ben managed to film the tomb with YOUR equipment?
it was our 'remote camera' he used, but Ben was alone in the cave. The first time he used it I was not even in France. And the second time, we drove him there, but he refused to allow either myself or my cameraman to join him in the cave. So I can't vouch for what he did in their alone.

How do you explain the "quite rare eveidence of that particular Haplogroup in Western Europe" hair sample Ben took for YOU out of the tomb?
Evry human alive is descended from a small number of Haplgroups, and IF Jesus was a real person, then we are all desended from his blood and our other ancestors of 2000 years ago, even you, Pat.

Have you payed Ben any centime for his 4 years work?
Ben has not been paid any fees, but we covered his expenses, bought the film equipment, paid for flights, hotels, the carbon analysis at Oxford University and other places. I also introduced him to the likes of Antoine Captier and his Bullster amongst others. I think the publicity that 'Bloodline' got him helped him sell books though.

How is the relationship between you and JZ Knight (Ramtha School of Enlightment)?
It's good. Haven't seen her for a while but she is a passionate RLC enthusiast. She did pay Ben to talk to her school, and allow him to flog his book. I talked there too, but did it for free.

Is it true that she wanted to buy the body of MM in case you would get your hands on it?
Is this a serious question?

Why have I seen her (with my own eyes) digging in a cave near Rennes?
I imagine the same reason I have filmed you doing the same.

Please answer properly (Don´t forget I had a lot of email corespondence with you and Rene)
Do really think 'Ben' has told us the truth Pat?