Arcadia Discussion Zone

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Really distressful situation which needs remedial action. I seem to remember one of the plans of the previous idiot of a mayor was to whitewash the walls of the church. True ? I wouldn't have put it passed him.

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Yo Wombat, think 'boot the deterioration from the Vatican's viewpoint. They know that Church is a magnet for tourists and not for serious religious believers who wish to go their to pray in solitude. If folks in RLC village don't wanna bother to repair it, 'cuz its their Church their responsibility to maintain it. The local Bishop won't lift a finger 'til his Archbishop in Paris tells him to do so,

Ya could say, all the negative interest and it sho' ain't positive in the way Dan Beige or more recently Ben Hammott use the Church simply as a scene shot, and not for its sole purpose as being a house of devoted worship. You vividly described the desecration by a filming krew that had not the slightest aspect of reverence in their demeanor.

IMHO, the Vatican won't shed a tear when that bldg collapses and becomes a ruin. It sez more 'boot the religiosity of the folk of RLC, 'cuz that is their Church. It sez equally the same in regards to religiosity in general in France. If the present pace of Apostasy continues, as Nostradamus predicted invading Islamic armies will attack France durin' the reign of AntiChrist due to islamization of France, slowly but steadily taking over.
This is the way it is...
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/05/first-et ... -in-paris/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... c-religion

Is this gonna be the way it will continue to be?...did a pagan-heathen do a rain dance down there?..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... loods.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picture ... rance.html

Oh Wombat your right this is so sad

Who owns the church?

One low cost answer is for a team to recover the Visigothic treasure that Sauniere named the Thesaurus Regalis. It neeeds a team from RLC, perhaps Mariano. One of the four tunnels is readily accesible due to being partially collapsed. As it is a national treasure I have relinquished any rights to the spoils as this seems an insurmountable obstacle. We plan a further GPR survey in autumn with some new equipment (Spero).
This is not the only site marked by Sauniere.

Why does it need a team from RLC when it is a French national treasure? Surely what it needs is a team that can do the job and permission from the land owner. After all, all you are doing is a bit of land clearance isn't it. If you happened to find something, that would be an unexpected bonus wouldn't it!

What it needs is less talk and a bit of action.

Whats the real problem Bill?


btw I assume you know that spero means 'I hope', a very unfortunate choice of name for a piece of diagnostic equipment

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I love the tell-tall fissured tiles along the left wall....something is not solid underneath

http://www.panoramas.dk/da-vinci-code/R ... ateau.html

360° view taken from the entrance.

Found this link on Johan's site, an article from 21 avril 1996

http://rennes-le-chateau-en-quete-de-ve ... capite.htm






i notice the BS has been defaced as well?

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Even the devil looks shocked. See him saying "OMG".

Béatrice de Andia, the founder and president of the Religious Heritage Observatory, in Paris, estimates that there are about 90,000 church buildings in France, of which about 17,000 are under government protection for their historic or architectural value, giving France the greatest density of religious buildings of any European country. About 10 percent of the protected churches are in perilous condition, she says, because of a lack of government financing for their preservation, as are a far larger percentage of the remaining churches.

The struggle over the future of village churches coincides with a national debate on the issue of French identity, which is taking place against the backdrop of large numbers of Muslim immigrants. And it is complicated by a 1907 measure — when anticlerical government leaders were trying to rein in the strong influence of the Roman Catholic Church in France — that made all the country’s churches and cathedrals the property of local governments.

In other countries, notably England and Italy, disused houses of worship have been converted into homes, stores or museums. In France, there is an emotional resistance to the practice, though in Dijon, an abandoned church now serves as a theater, and in Alsace, also in the east, former synagogues now serve as museums.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/05/world/europe/05france.html

the French local government owns it
Well it is a terrible shame what is going on there

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Si, capisco bene questa lingua.

Well it's hardly a Gothic Cathedral is it? Or even a church of outstanding architectural importance . Perhaps it's more along the lines of a Victorian Methodist Chapel so many of which have found new uses as Mosques. That's an idea perhaps the Municipality could get a bob or two for it from the local muslims maybe convert it to a madrasa.
The very fact that its in the state that it is reflects badly on the theory that Berenger had a big wedge of francs or a few bags of livres. Either up his sleeve or down his soutane. It has the appearance of a jerry-built construct put up by a crew of local cowboys. Perhaps the French would say of it "batir mediocrement et hativement" give or take the odd accent, or perhaps, "construit comme une cabanne a lapins."
Incidentally why would the devil say OMG? Not his God surely that venerable white-bearded cove who gave the finger to Adam in Michelangelo's ceiling painting.

I should have added to my post after "gave the finger to Adam." "And has been shafting the rest of mankind ever since".

(Translation of Bill's reply: "Yes, I understand this language well.")

No Bill, you don't. Thats the problem, you haven't a hope or a clue. Just plenty of what is coming across as cocky arrogance.

Couple this with Nicole's realisation about what you were really saying in your 'True Lies' thread and it all looks pretty bleak for Team Hammott. Do you think we are all idiots? Are you determined to sink as low as Roscoe?

Is Sandy still on board?

The 1907 edict which confiscated all Church property, is it still on the books? if so, its quite obvious the Vatican ain't gonna spend a farthing on any Church for the benefit of commie socialists running France. The Vatican, IMHO, is content to let French apostates wallow in a trough of their own making.

If a local Church really means that much, the locals would have elected a mayor with cojones to rectify the situation. Seein' the overall state of disrepair all over France sez it all 'boot how devout French Catholics really are, sad but apparently true.

The Church I go to here in Helsingborg is in tip top shape, 'cuz of immigrant Catholics from East Europe who want that Church to thrive. We have Mass said in 6 languages now, to match the immigrant groups attending that Church. RLC bein' a mixed bag of most likely non-Catholic outsiders who live in the village from time to time, plus non-Church attending locals tells the whole story.

If that Church was packed with folk at 5 or 6 Masses on a Sunday, that place would have been spiffed up by now. How many folks actually show up for daily Mass, or on Sunday? Does the domain Sauniere had extend beyond the structures he built on?

Wombat,
You are unfortunately quite right, by the looks of it the church has deteriorated badly even since my last visit in 2009. Alexius, I don't think that this can be put down to "jerry builders", as its plain to see that the church has got much worse over the last few years with the increased rise in popularity post DVC. It is indeed a sorry state of affairs.
Regards
Nic

Uomo R cade morto.

'snuff said.

Yes, yes and no then.

I did compose a long reply but the short answer is that it is there at 1000 dollars a troy ounce (it was at 1230 dollars recently) and that should be enough to restore the church and the rest of the village besides.

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