your opinion knocks out the Haspburg Lorraine family
It isn't a matter of my opinion, Lov - it's a simple statement of factual accuracy. The Habsburg-Lorraine claim begins with René d'Anjou, who acquired it by testamentary cession from someone whose ancestor purchased it. Do these conditions make that claim any less valid? That's not for me to say. It simply means that the claim has not been handed down by blood descent from Godfroi de Bouillon or his brother Baudouin.
So many families want that title King of Jerusalem
Bragging rights, I'm sure.
So if its a big deal to be King of Jerusalem
Big enough deal for people to pay for documents on lineage or charters?
Apparently so, since that's exactly what happened.
But TCP you bring up a excellent point ...some of these claims are not just by bloodline
some are based on Papal decrees and land claims and other houses handing over their claims to another
Now according to the Old Testament ...its not always the bloodline that wins ...such as Esau and Jacob
Esau was first but he sold his kingship for a bowl of soup
Well, look at Zerah and Pharez...
so tricks do count
Apparently so, when the stakes are high.
so we get it straight
lets look at it
definition of descendant
# Lineal descendant, a blood relative in the direct line of descent
# Collateral descendant, a relative descended from a brother or sister of an ancestor
An ancestor is a parent or (recursively) the parent of an ancestor (i.e., a grandparent, great-grandparent, great-great-grandparent, and so forth).
A "lineal descendant" is one who descends "in line" from a parent. In other words, I am not my uncle's lineal descendant - his children are.
A "collateral descendant" descends from a "co-lateral" line. I am my uncle's collateral descendant; my uncle's children are my father's collateral descendants.
An important point must be made here, however - when examining historical claims to titles and land and such, "collateral heirs" are only considered when there are no "lineal heirs". In other words, these claims pass from parent to child unless there is no child, in which case they pass to "collateral" siblings, nephews/nieces, or cousins. So when there are documentary mentions of "collateral descendants" or "collateral heirs", the implication is that there are no "lineal" descendants or heirs.
So if Jesus had brothers and sisters would they be collateral descendants?
Their lineal descendants would be Jesus' collateral descendants. Siblings are not considered descendants because they're of the same generation.
I understand Godfrey
son of Eustace II, Count of Boulogne and Ida of Lorraine
had no recorded issue
and his BROTHER
and then his Cousin
Baldwin was called a cousin of the brothers Eustace III of Boulogne, Godfrey of Bouillon, and Baldwin of Boulogne, but the exact manner in which they are related has never been discovered.
but he was elected to the title
CORRECT. (VAM, start blowing up the balloons)
So the King of Jerusalem
could be elected or through family or decreed by the Pope
Yes. Remember, Godfroi himself was elected as ruler of Jerusalem (he refused to take the title of king) only after two others had been chosen by the knights and turned it down. They also elected his brother Baudouin I. Baudouin, however, intended to make the crown hereditary in his family. Because he died without sons, his older brother Eustace was next in line, and actually set out for Jerusalem to be crowned. By the time he reached...Salerno, was it?...to board a ship, the word came back that the knights had chosen Baudouin du Bourg, the Count of Edessa, as their new king instead. Chroniclers attempted to create the impression that Baudouin du Bourg was a cousin of Baudouin I and thus he was a "collateral" heir, however the details of this relationship are elusive and most historians today discount it.
when the End Times comes or the New World order
will God check into the paperwork
of who is the real King of Jerusalem
Door number One Hapsburg Lorraine Door Number two Bourbon or Door Number three Bourbon Two Sicillies
and we can add more doors
I say give it to Patrick Guinness - Black-n-Tans for everyone!