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something is seriously not good within the last two posts.

you posted something before this... then deleted the post completely.

i did. i stated that i liked prince's song and that his "symbol" was nice...to that effect.

i realised that something was seriously not good...
thornstein, i listened to the song...remembered my youth and posted quickly...it was a dance song in my youth luv.
... then, i listened to the lyrics...and thought...no, not good.
so, i deleted the post.
(about 15 minutes after...)

then i read hugo's take...
with his "one night in bangkok (sp?)" and thought...
"there is something seriously wrong with the above 2 posts..."
yours, and his.

Truth told.

and...why is it that you keep such a watch for all things thorstein?
i did delete my post. i have included here what i wrote. foolish me. thinking that you were just being funny and falling into memories of dancing.
hmmm.

now we know that you have indeed been lurking.
have you been recording it all?

oh wow...
nice profile picture thor!

why edit your post thor?

and hugo...
nasty!

leave sheila alone.
both of you.

Edited to add the last sentence, as you know.

It is obvious that my comment was grossly misinterpreted. The lyrics of the song are regrettable, but as i don't know sheila personally i didn't think that it would be taken to mean whatever you think it means. My comment was more along the lines of 'when i see the name Sheila this song plays in my head' as that is one of the associations my brain makes. I'm in my 20s so it's not really part of my youth, but i remember the song innocently as you did. It says nothing about Arcadian Sheila. Your deleted post said something like "Great song, great artist" in response to mine, did it not? So i really don't understand what you're trying to say...

Whoa slow down there! You are letting your imagination run wild. Or is this a symptom common to being on this forum for so long, you start making connections that aren't there and imagining things about people you've never met?

I think you owe me an apology for being so rude.

yes! that is what i wrote...sorry for paraphrasing...but the essence was there. and you recorded it beautifully.
nope, no apology yet.

the actual post?
"lol...great song, great artist! nice symbol!"
thanks for reminding me.

oh, it has nothing to do with being on this forum. you have been here since when?

also, when hugo follows your post and adds darkness...
it sure don't help!

i meant this edited post...
edited to add...
"This song was the first time i came across the name Sheila, so it just stuck."

I am not responsible for his actions. How does what someone else writes reflect on me, or "adds" anything to what I said. That you don't like Hugo (judging from your remarks) has NAUGHT to do with me. I've already explained (needlessly) what was meant, and if there was anyone to be offended it would be Sheila. If she is offended in any way, she may say so and I will instantly apologize as I actually respect her more than you can know. That is the right thing to do. But if she isn't offended... why go though all this Paula? It was wrong of you to jump to conclusions. I know the "esoteric" people thrive on drama but give me a break

Yes, that last sentence was added after i came back and saw that your "agreement" post had been deleted, to be replaced with another that made what i said out to be "dark" and "not good." You and i were in agreement about the song until somehow on your side YOU started to project negativity into it.

It is said that the resident goddess of Mount Sion-Vaudemont, the "other Sion" of the "priory of Sion" in Switzerland, is Rosemertha - the Rose mother. Interestingly, one interpretation of the King Arthur legends is that "Arthur" or "Ursus" was really Riothamus, a Dark Age Celt ruler of a "thalassocracy" that spanned Brittany in France and Cornwall in England. Many of the places near Breton Rennes are associated with Arthur and the Grail legends, and many of the Breton kings had Judaic names. And some derive Riothamus' name from... Joseph of Arimathea, the supposed bearer of the Grail to Glastonbury.

http://www2.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html


I really miss Professor Steve but this is a gem from him

In New Orleans there is Rosemertha Our Lady of Sion...the Rose Mother

notice the cornucopia ...looks like a snake
She carries the cup of plenty that fills one up



Cornucopia held by the Roman goddess Aequitas on the reverse of this antoninianus struck under Roman Emperor Claudius II.
In Greek mythology, Amalthea was a goat who raised Zeus on her breast milk, in a cave, on Mount Ida of Crete. Her horn was accidentally broken off by Zeus while playing together. The god Zeus, in remorse, gave her back her horn with supernatural powers, which would give whoever possessed it whatever they wished for. The original depictions were of the goat's horn filled with fruits and flowers: deities, especially Fortuna, were depicted with the horn of plenty. The cornucopia was also a symbol for a woman's fertility. The story is said to be a predecessor of the Unicorn and the Holy Grail stories.

So imagine the POWER of this cup to give the one who possessed it whatever they wished for
Think about it what would you wish for?
Roscoe I just wrote an article touching on this a wee bit
As you see by Professor Steve that the Swiss worshiped Rosemerta
she was Hesus wife


Hesus rhymes with Jesus

Mary Magdalene has a connection with the Rose and the Holy Grail
The interesting thing is in many of the Apparitions of Our Lady

there is a Rose

Congratulations, Lov, for finally untangling Baigent, Leigh, and by extension, Dan Brown. OK, so you're ten to fifteen (twenty?) years behind the curve, but it's less important when you round that bend than it is getting there at all.

Although I think Steve would be mortified that you're drawing off of an article more than a decade old, a lot has changed since then...

TCP

I like this.

Particularly the right hand side.

Virgo and Libra.

This is for Thorstein. It is also for the rest of the forum. When our resident drama quean jumps to conclusions like Thorstein noted and attributes other motivations to innocuous post I make with links in them, instead of doin' the most common sensical 'thang', namely ask Thorstein or myself directly what we intended with our posts, we get sidelined, castigated, pilloried, etc.

This isn't the 1st time C Dove jumped on me for a suggestion made for some buddy else to reflect on. My take in my link was the seein' of life bein' played out on a masonic squared chess board, with power manipulations all over that chess board.

There are the usual medieval trappings of royalty, military strength, a controllable bishop, readily available serf-soldiers to march off at the behest of the royalty, etc. The music part alludes to the mysterious orient with its own games + rules superimposed on a conventional occidental chess board power play.

The additional time jump to the singin' style of the 30s-40 is another focal element. All aspects impinging on the RLC enigma contain these elements, but madame drama quean misses all the obviousness here and focuses on her reaction to it as if she was bein' singled out.

The entire RLC enigma is 'dark', as she likes to throw in that pagan-heathen gothic esoteric genre term. Why is she dabbling with this genre if it upsets her? I am sure there are brownie-baking, knitting forums which are less foreboding for her to participate in.

Somehow Paula tends to forget the harbinger of death hangs over the entire RLC enigma like an Agatha Christy thriller.

TCP


Now TCP did Baigent Leigh and Brown find Rosemertha in a corner of Jackson Square New Orleans along with the sickle carrying Hecate/Semele/Selene or Dionysius or Hesus?

I don't remember reading that...give me a page number pretty please
that is the twist ...its found in the land of Cajuns (acadiens)...who brought these legends with them
As for Steve ...I actually have the greatest respect for him and got along well with him
He has even included the Cajun connection in his work
As you can tell I really miss him ...he is a great professor



Now Roscoe
yes isn't that coin interesting
Libra and Virgo
Libra
Lady Justice
Justitia is most often depicted with a set of scales typically suspended from her left hand, upon which she measures the strengths of a case's support and opposition. She is also often seen carrying a double-edged sword in her right hand, symbolizing the power of Reason and Justice, which may be wielded either for or against any party.

She was covered up by Ashcroft for being naked
The Power of LAW
Virgo
In Greek mythology ASTRAIA (or Astraea) was the virgin-goddess of justice. During the Golden Age she dwelt upon the earth with mankind, but was driven away by the lawlessness of the later Bronze Age.

Christian theologians have long studied the biblical meaning of the 12 constellations of the Zodiac. The Bible contains several references to the Zodiac (Mazzaroth) and Genesis chapter 49 likens each constellation to Israel's 12 sons.[6] Several Biblical scholars have used astronomical records of Virgo to pinpoint the birthdate of Jesus Christ as stated in the Book of Revelation 12:1-2:

"And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: and she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered."

Jesus was born under a woman sign

Virgo is the only constellation of a "woman" and is the starting point of the 12 biblical constellations or "crown of twelve stars". Within the year 3B.C. (assuming the lunar eclipse of Herod the Great's death to have occurred in 1B.C. when Jesus was 2 year old) Virgo was "clothed with the sun" between August 27 through September 15 as visible from Palestine.[7] The moon was "under her feet" only on September 11th, between 6:18pm sunset and 7:39pm moonset.[8] Biblical and astronimical scholars have verified the September 11th, 3B.C. star positions in Virgo including Ernest L. Martin[9] and Victor Paul Wierwille [10]. September 11th, 3B.C. is equivalent to Tishrei 1 of the Hebrew calendar, or the "Day of Trumpets", which some Christian scholars believe to be a significantly appropriate Hebrew day for the Messiah to be born, and a non-coincidental match with the Biblical prophesied events within the constellation Virgo.[11

Born of a Virgin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgo_%28astrology%29
Libra

On the coin is Libra male sign positive and Virgo female negative sign
Balance
Libra house is ruled by Venus

Very likely September 11th 3BCE.

Something unusual happened to Regulus (Little King) and Jupiter (Dieu Pater) on this date. They were in conjunction yes but a little more than that.

Virgo is called The House of Bread or Beth Lehem in Hebrew. Pisces (Beth Saida) is the opposite sign to Virgo (when one rises the other sets) We are in the Age of Pisces unless you're French, they are in the Age of Aquarius as from this year.

Luke 22:10 (King James Version)

10And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in.

No, they didn't. And you only think you did. Funny, but the only references to a statue of Rosmertha in Jackson Square come directly from your posts here on Arcadia or from your UFO Digest blog - most likely because others would call her Fortuna or Abundantia.

This is bog-standard, neo-classical 19th century garden decoration, hardly of interest to "Cajuns" more so than anyone else at the time.

TCP

Well I just wanted to get things straight TCP
Well TCP did you know Jackson Square was modeled after the oldest Square in Paris
Place des Vosges

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paris,_Place_des_Vosges_-_OpenStreetMap.svg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place_des_Vosges

The Place des Vosges, inaugurated in 1612 with a grand carrousel to celebrate the wedding of Louis XIII and Anne of Austria,

Some of the Residents who lived on the Square
Residents of the Place des Vosges

* No. 1bis Mme de Sevigné was born here
* No. 6, "Maison de Victor Hugo" Victor Hugo from 1832 - 1848, in what was then the Hôtel de Rohan-Guéménée, now a museum devoted to his memory, managed by the City of Paris
* No. 7 Sully, Henri IV's great minister
* No. 8 poet Théophile Gautier and writer Alphonse Daudet
* No. 9 (Hôtel de Chaulnes), seat of the Academy of Architecture, currently also tenanted by Galerie Historisimus
* No. 11 occupied from 1639-1648 by the courtesan Marion Delorme
* No. 14 (Hôtel de la Rivière). Its ceilings painted by Lebrun are reinstalled in the Musée Carnavalet
* No. 17 former residence of Bossuet
* No. 21 Cardinal Richelieu from 1615 - 1627
* No. 23 post-impressionist painter Georges Dufrénoy


Its a mirror and a reflection of the Old Country
or clues to the past
I'm having so much fun TCP
come and visit and I will show you the statues which are hidden in front of everybody

Lov, these people lived in Paris, not New Orleans. Are you looking for some sort of hidden code in the fact that French colonists modeled a public square in their new city after a famous old one in Paris?

TCP

Lets get back to Switzerland the Place of Hermits
In the German language the word einsiedler means hermit, and Switzerland's greatest pilgrimage shrine, the abbey of Einsiedeln, derives its name from being the 'place of the hermits'.

In 835, Meinrad, a young nobleman who had been a monk in the monastery of Reichenau, left the monastery to live a hermit's life in the deep woods of northeast Switzerland. For 26 years he lived alone in the woods with two crows as his only companions. In 861, two bandits came upon Meinrad in his hermitage and murdered him. Legends tell that Meinrad's two crows followed the bandits, hovering and shrieking in a strange manner, until the bandits were captured in Zurich, 30 miles away.

When Meinrad had first come to the forest he had brought along one of the mysterious Black Madonna statues, considered by many scholars to be Christianized pagan Dark Goddesses. After Meinrad's death a small Benedictine cloister was built at the site of his hermitage and this cloister, housing the Black Madonna, soon became a pilgrimage site of great importance. The enormous abbey standing today rose over a period of many centuries and only legends are left regarding the sites sacred use in prehistoric times. Inside the church the primary object of pilgrimage visitation is the Chapel of Grace which houses a mid-15th century Black Madonna icon (the earlier icon having been destroyed in a fire). The Chapel of Grace, standing directly upon the site of Meinrad's original hermitage, is believed to have been consecrated by Christ himself when he miraculously appeared on September 14, 948.

and the case of Black Madonnas

Writing in The Cult of the Black Virgin, Ean Begg states that

"The still popular cult of wonder-working images is not only reactionary and non-scriptural, it also evokes memories of awkward subjects best left in obscurity like the pre-Christian origins of much in Christianity, the history of the Templars, Catharism, and other heresies, and secrets concerning the Merovinginian dynasty. So, blackness in statues of the Virgin tends to be ignored and, where admitted, is attributed to the effects of candle smoke, burial, immersion or fashion's passing whim. The contention, then, of the Catholic Church is that most such statues were not originally intended to be black, and only became so by accident later." ...."If the presumed polychrome faces and hands of the Virgin and Child have been blackened by the elements however, why has their polychrome clothing not been similarly discolored? Secondly, why has a similar process not occurred in the case of other venerated images (where smoky candles were also burned nearby)?"


Mary Lee Nolan, a leading scholar of European pilgrimage has noted that more than 10% of the European shrines where Black Virgins are venerated are known to have been centers of worship in pre-Christian times. Echoing this fact, other scholars see in Black Virgin veneration a continuation of pre-Christian worship of such pagan goddesses as Isis, Diana of Ephesus, Artemis, Cybele, and the Celtic deity Hecate (it is interesting to note in this regard that the great Egyptian goddess, Isis, is often shown as a nursing mother with the infant Horus god at her breast; in this image lies the origins of the Madonna and Child image). Lending still more support to the pre-Christian origin of the Black Madonnas, Begg writes that

"Again and again in the stories of the Black Virgin, a statue is found in a forest or a bush, or discovered when ploughing animals refuse to pass a certain spot. The statue is taken to the parish church, only to return miraculously by night to her own place, where a chapel is then built in her honor. Almost invariably her cult is associated with natural phenomena, especially healing waters or striking geographical features. The Romans had taken over and adapted many of the sacred sites of the Celtic world, which the Christians were later, in their turn, to sanctify, but the spirit of the place remains Celtic, and still whispers something of its origins through the cult associated with it."

It is evident from a serious study of these matters that the patriarchal Roman church in its effort to exterminate the ancient and immensely popular goddess cults had only succeeded in driving them underground. In contemporary Europe the veneration of the feminine principle and her sacred sites is once again gaining power. As Begg interprets it,

"The return of the Black Virgin to the forefront of collective consciousness has coincided with the profound psychological need to reconcile sexuality and religion."

http://www.sacredsites.com/europe/switzerland/einsiedeln.html

Hope that helps Roscoe

TCP

I'm just on a quest like you Oh knight

lets take the first resident of the Paris Square
No. 1bis Mme de Sevigné was born there
Though only twenty-six when her husband died, Mme de Sévigné never married again. Instead, she devoted herself to her children. She spent most of 1651 in retirement at Les Rochers, but returned to Paris that November. Thereafter, she divided her time between the city and the countryside. In Paris, she frequented salons, especially that of Nicolas Fouquet, superintendent of finances to King Louis XIV.
During the course of the trial, French public sympathy was strongly with Fouquet, and La Fontaine, Madame de Sévigné and many others wrote on his behalf; but when Fouquet was sentenced to banishment, the king, disappointed, "commuted" the sentence to imprisonment for life.

Talisman: Sacred Cities secret Faith

Pierre L'Enfant the man who designed Washington DC. With a zero meridian I might add.

His name sounds a bit French. His father worked for Louis XV. He studied at the Royal Academy in the Louvre before enrolling to fight in the American Revolution.

You know even the mother of Louis XIV said that her son was maniacally obsessed with Apollo and all things to do with the Sun.

Yes indeedy nothing unusual about the USA with it's cities called Memphis, Phoenix and Philadelphia. You know the trouble with Secret Societies is that they're secret. They don't directly tell you anything. How grossly unfair of them. What's that word they use for hidden again? Oh yes Occult

TCP lives in the illusionary world where we know all there is to know about absolutely everything and is always documented. What's that? We need proof? A billion people believe Christ existed on earth, where's the proof?

You know TCP (a disinfectant in the UK) has made a career out of missing the point. If we weren't here he's be arguing with his shadow. It shouldn't be TCP it should be Harpic, because the advertisment says "Clean around the Bend" and you put it down the toilet.