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JANUARY 17th is "code" for JULY 22nd .

Why? I'll leave the fun of dicovering that for yourself. It's not difficult.

JULY 22nd is a reference to MARY MAGDALENE since JULY 22nd is MARY MAGDALENE'S FEAST DAY.

Happy Mary Magdalene's feast day!

Happy St Mary Magdalene to you too Mr Haywood

January 17 is the feast of St Roseline
Born to an ancient and noble family; daughter of Count Arnaud.
As a child she was noted for her charity to the poor, often slipping away to give food to beggars outside the family castle. Her father, seeing that she was giving away expensive meals, ordered her to stop. Saddened, she obeyed for about a week, but the sight of the beggars at the castle door was too much for her. Late one night, she filled her apron with food, and started toward the doors. Her father caught her, and demanded to know what she carried; when she opened the apron, it was filled with roses.

the Roseline goes from St Sulpice to Renne-les -Bains
Abbé Henri Boudet was the parish priest of Rennes-les-Bains at the same time that Bérenger Saunière was the incumbent of Rennes-le-Château. Boudet's strange book, La vraie langue celtique et le cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains (1886) argued that all languages were derived from the English tongue whereby the Abbé tried to establish his theory through the use of puns.

January 17 is the feast day of St Sulpitous the Pius at Bourges where the Roseline goes through St Stephens
In his honour the church of Saint-Sulpice was built in Paris, from which the Society of Saint-Sulpice derives its own.

7/22
1099 – First Crusade: Godfrey of Bouillon is elected the first Defender of the Holy Sepulchre of The Kingdom of Jerusalem.

The relics of Mary Magdalene are housed in a crypt in the basilica in St. Maximin in Provence, France. Behind protective glass lies her blackened skull adorned with a red wig. On the Feast Day of St. Mary Magdalene on July 22nd, a procession carries her relics through Provence. Le Grotte de Marie Madeleine, the Cave of Solitude, can be found by climbing high up the hillside in the Forest of Baume. Here in seclusion is where she is said to have spent twenty-two years. Famed as both a prophetess and healer, she is now the patron saint of Provence.

I find that rose line could mean a fiery redhead? Roselin's story is very Rosicrucian in philosophy. The Roseline might be a reference to a grail maiden?The thing about st. Supitous is a key character in this mystery. 1099 the Merovingian comes forth in Godfrey of bouillon. I wonder where the holy sepulcher is? I was blessed to be near the relic before the DA vanci code was written. Saint Baume has alot of treasures. The procession is today.





Kevin

Hey Kevin there is another Saint Markella celebrates her feast day on July 22
A special prayer is dedicated to Saint Markella:[2]

"Rose of piety and sprout of Chios, we honor with canticles Saint Markella who was beheaded by her father's hand, as she guarded the commands of Christ, give strength and save from danger, us who cry unto you. Glory to Him who gave you strength, Glory to Him who crowned you. Glory to Him who works through you, healings for all the faithful."

January 17 id the Vision of Our Lady of Hope
The Apparition at Pontmain

The year was 1871, and Prussia was raging war against France. Pontmain was a small village situated 200 miles west of Paris. Its people were simple and hard working country folk. Times were quite difficult and many of the French had sons or relatives fighting in the army, away from home. Pontmain, although guided spiritually by the parish priest, Abbe Michel Guerin, had grown tired and discouraged.

It was Tuesday, January 17, 1871. Abbe Guerin who lived an uncommon devotion to Mary would express hope in the midst of his congregations’ great despair. That morning he told his parishioners, “God will have pity on us. His mercy shall surely come to us through Mary.” Not a day passed before his words actualized in a vision of Our Lady.

That very evening about 6 o’clock, two boys were helping their father in the barn when the eldest, Eugene Barbedette, walked over toward the door to look out. As he gazed out at the star-studded sky he noticed one area particularly free from stars. Then suddenly, he noticed in that dark space, a beautiful woman appeared smiling at him. She was wearing a dark blue gown covered with golden stars, and a deep purple-blue (almost black) veil under a golden crown.

she is robed in stars

After some time, she raised her hands to the height of her shoulder, arms out and bent slightly backwards and elbows close to her body. Then a large red cross appeared in the hands of the Blessed Virgin. The figure of the crucified Christ was a darker red hue but no blood was flowing from the wounds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Pontmain

Why would it be code?

Why not simply put July 22nd? It's not like it's a secret or anything.

22/7 is the nearest integer approximation to PI - Margaret Starbird said this.

Tell you what though.

Magdalene is 365 in Gematria, as is Mithra. 365 number of days in a solar year.


St Augustine

Do you mean the 186 days between the 17 januari to the 22 july?

It's like the page 186 from the codex Bezae, and the in the small parchment,
and of course reversed it's the 681 from the well known code.... or have you found something else?

I think 17th January is significant to the RLC affair because it's the Festival of Wagy, not because of any other feast or saint days on that date, or any connection to 22nd July.

In my opinion.

Or for any or all of these reasons -

http://www.connectotel.com/rennes/jan17.html

I'll take any of those in preference to a coded reference to 22nd July.

Except maybe the one about Sigsbert IV.



Ah, but is 17th January significant because it's the day that Sauniere suffered his stroke, or did he suffer his stroke because of something he was doing on that day, because that date was significant to him?

I obviously don't know (I barely know enough to even speculate about it), but that was one of the ideas in The Rise that definitely stuck in my mind.

Quite!

this is from Phillip Coppens
"Festival of Wagy", a feast of the dead, was held on the 17th day of the New Year - which in Egypt did not fall on January 1, of course. But we wondered whether someone had "lifted it" from one calendar and installed it into our calendar.

Ben Jacob's research has shown that Saunière was sponsored by an organisation known as the Achconfraternity of La Sanch, which is based in Perpignan. These people were - and could still be - involved in certain intriguing rites, which may explain the importance of January 17 as a "Festival of the Dead".

http://www.andrewgough.co.uk/17questions_philip.html

but Egypts Festival of Wagy was of Thoth celebrations?

I thought this was interesting for the Lincoln fans
Lincoln Cathedral has an orientation with the star Arcturus and on January 17
Arcturus is known in astronomy as the 'Guardian of the Bear', the Bear being the constellation of Ursa Major which just happens to be overhead at the time the altar faces Arcturus at noon on the 17th! As Arcturus has a deep connection with the semi-legendary King Arthur (it is thought the name 'Arthur'

Hi,

Could you tell me what relationships exist between the bear and January 17? Where does this alignment reflect on the ground?
I think the relationships are interesting.

Kevin


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January 17 supposedly the Children of St Vincent was created
We now know that the PRIORY OF SION dates from 17 January 1681, with, as founder, JEAN-TIMOLEON NEGRI D’ABLES, and with the participation of Blaise d’HAUTPOUL (+1694), and Abbé André-Hercule de FLEURY (+ 1743).
http://priory-of-sion.com/psp/id133.html

I just recently visited Cologne and heard the terrible news of the collapse of the archives
The Historical Archive of the City of Cologne (German: Historisches Archiv der Stadt Köln) is the municipal archive of Cologne, Germany. It ranks among the largest communal archives in Europe.

A municipal archive has been taking custody of records in Cologne since the Middle Ages. The oldest inventory of charters in the archive is dated 1408/1409. The oldest document kept in the archive is a charter dated 922 AD.[1]

The archive contains official records and private documents from all ages of Cologne history, as well as an extensive library of manuscripts. While the adjective "historical" in its name might suggest a closed, complete archive with a focus on older history, the archive is also the official government repository that is collecting the most recent municipal archival records.

The six-story archive building collapsed on 3 March 2009, along with two neighboring apartment buildings. Two residents of neighboring buildings were found dead.[2] All archive staff and visiting archive users survived, as they could escape after a warning by construction workers. The actual degree of damage to the historical treasures kept in the building is still unknown. A substantial part of the written records of the city's history is believed to have been destroyed.

what a coincidence and what a shame
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Archive_of_the_City_of_Cologne


Interesting piece I saw at the museum

Jean Cocteau
wrote about the 243 Children of Saint Vincent because of the decree of Jan 17 1681 were given special rights

In 1681
Strassbourg ( a free city) became French under Louis XIV

it has an astronomical clock at Notre Dame Strassbourg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stra%C3%9Fburger_Muenster_Astronomische_Uhr.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cathedrale_de_Strasbourg_-_Horloge_Astronomique_-_Details_%281%29.jpg



At the base of a clock there was an 86 cm (34") diameter celestial globe, accompanied by the figure of a pelican. The globe was connected to the clock movement, and set for the latitude of Strasbourg.

Now what makes Strasbourg important today is that
it hosts over twenty international institutions, of which the most famous are the Council of Europe and the European Parliament. Together with Brussels and Luxembourg, Strasbourg is one of the three centres of the European Union.

this showed up on another thread had to add it
How could I forget

On July 22
Béziers
On 21 July, the crusaders reached Béziers and demanded that the Cathars in the popularion be handed over. This was refused even by the Roman Catholics of the town. The tradition of Cathar strength in this town went back to 1167, when they murdered their vicomte, Raymond-Roger I de Trencavel, in revenge for one of his knights having killed a Cathar. In return the vicomte's son, Raymond-Roger II, had the town ransacked in 1169. Domingo de Guzmán and Pierre de Castelnau had attempted to confront the popularion in 1206.
On the afternoon of 22 July, the town launched a sortie which, when forced back into the town, was closely persued by a band of the crusaders. Once inside the walls of the town, the crusaders seized Béziers within an hour. Immediately there began a mass slaughter of Catholics and Cathars, alike. When asked by one of the crusader warriors about the possible killing of Catholics along with the heretic Cathars, Arnaud-Amaury is supposed to have delivered his nefarious statement "Kill them all! God will recognize His own!" Accounts vary as to the numbered slaughtered (10,000 to 20,000, with just over 200 estimated to have been Cathars) in this, the bloodiest and first, battle of the crusade. The massacre frightened many other towns to surrender without resistance.
Present among the crusaders was a Cistercian monk, Pierre des Vaux-de-Cernay, who ten years later would write his chronical Historia Albigensis of the campaign.

It happened on Magdalene's day as well as St Roseline feast day

http://www.xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm

Thurst forced Minerve to surrender on 22 July. Arnaud-Amaury refused any negotiated terms. Three women of the town agreed to convert and were spared. Reportedly 140 Cathars who refused to abjure their faith died at the stake. This was the first burning at the stake in the crusade.

Again the sacrifices occur on Magdalene's feast day as well as Roseline's feast day
http://www.xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm

The Jean Vie tombstone

had 17 Janvier
St Sulpice feast day
http://www.rlcresearch.com/2009/02/10/jean-vie/

7th century bishop of Bourges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulpitius_the_Pious

Yes the Holy See sanctioned the murder of at least 12000 people on the feast of The Magdalene. Some of these were their own people. They have yet to make an official apology instead the Albigensians are vilified Never forget that the success of the Holy Roman Church was not brought about by having the truth on their side but by having a large army on its side.

A mere 54 years before St. Roseline was ever born, it should be pointed out. Béziers was attacked in 1209; St. Roseline wasn't born until 1263.

And from whence do you get the idea that July 22nd is one of St. Roseline's feast days? January 17th isn't even her official feast day; that would be June 11th; while her Order (Carthusians) celebrates her on October 16th. January 17th was never anything more than her local name day in Fréjus; Pope Leo XIII, giving in to mounting public pressure, designated June 11th 1899 as the first church-wide Feast of the Sacred Heart, which has remained on June 11th ever since. Local adherents to St. Roseline's cult reverted to honoring her on the anniversary of her death because her official feast day, from then on, was overshadowed by the Feast of the Sacred Heart (so important to Légitimistes like our friend the Abbé Saunière)...

TCP

I apologize for submitting a question to Lovuian over a point she made above. I made mention that Sr Emmerich in her eyewitness visions saw Mary Magdalen go to Sinai, after Mary, Mother of Jesus died.

There is no way she could have dwelled in 2 caves so far apart. The French legend is just that, legend. The only folks who benefit are the Gnostics who wanted to create a House of David connection in France so that the Mero's could claim to be of this descent.

Its a shame politics usurps so many aspects from Christianity to sustain the illusions it created along the way of 'divine right to rule'. All the fuss 'boot so many 'thangs' revolving around dates associated with the Magdalene, IMHO, are solely politically motivated with a definite political agenda in mind. The Cathar decimation comes to mind.

Please let us have your references for a Merovingian claim of Davidic descent.

Tcp
thanks for pointing that out but I was just showing the coincidences and connections with the date
But a major Thanks for connecting Roseline with the Feast of the Sacred Heart ...Brilliant Merci"

Roseline obtained leave to resign her office before her death. Many visions together with extraordinary austerities and great power over demons are ascribed to her.

She is very special and very powerful

Her brother has his own legend
There is a legend told of Hélion involving a dragon and a young knight


And Hugo
thanks for Emmerich's vision that Magdalene went to Mount Sinai
that is interesting
Did you know Hugo
Mount Sinai can be called "the mountain of the goddess,"

Which could be connected to Sion vaudemont...where a mountain did have a goddess found Rosemertha
Emmerich could be using a code here

There is Shakespeares Rosaline
the pure one who took vows to be a nun

In Romeo and Juliet

Before Romeo meets Juliet, he loves Rosaline, Capulet's niece. He describes her as exceptionally beautiful: "The all-seeing sun / ne'er saw her match since first the world begun.

One wonders if Shakespeare was a Freemason
the all seeing eye?

Roger said -
"Please let us have your references for a Merovingian claim of Davidic descent."

The first person to mention the author of the "God-Kings of Europe" gets to sit on the
naughty step.

No Davidic descent ended abruptly with Joseph, the hapless insignificant surrogate father of Jesus. And without a single comment too. Isn't that odd boys and girls?

Then again it does say

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

at Matthew 1:1

on the very first line of the New Testament and then goes on to describe the generations from David of erm! Joseph. Rejoining the bloodline every fourteen generations. Why fourteen? By the way Mary Mother of Jesus is merely referred to as the wife of Joseph at this point. So she is the insignificant wife of another insignificant character.

So lets for interest sake extend this fourteen generation anomaly (for want of a better description) onwards. Fourteen generations we get Anfortas (who appears in the Grail legends as THE FISHER KING) extend this another fourteen and we get

Meroveus (Born of a FISH)

The unremarkable king who never did anything and yet gets a whole royal dynasty named after him. He wasn't even the first of that dynasty.

But it doesn't really mean Jesus was the Son of David it means that Jesus was the Son of David.

A king whose duty it was to continue the bloodline but apparantly didn't and nobody ever explained to us why he didn't.

Unless of course he did but the only things we ever heard about were things like turning water into wine (nice trick but whats the point) walks on water (another nice trick. and the point is?), gets born OF a virgin. And was the SECOND person in the New Testament to get born again.

And other utterly believeable stuff like this peddled by the people who live in nice palaces and sanction the molesting of infants.

PS

FISH
Did you know that according to the French IGN (Institut Geographique National) we move from the Age of Pisces to the Age of Aquarius THIS YEAR. Due to the precession of the equinoxes. All depends upon where you draw the border. The equinoxes are currently in the constellations of Pisces (the House of Fishes or Beth Saida in Hebrew) and Virgo (The House of Bread or Beth Lehem in Hebrew) for most people. Everywhere in the northern hemisphere when Virgo rises, Pisces sets and vice versa.

Bethsaida is a word that appears in John 12 immediately after the plain text depicted in the Shepherdess parchment.

“I love you, and because I love you, I would sooner have you hate me for telling you the truth than adore me for telling you lies.”

Naughty Step?

I've been there so long I'm starting to get the Duke of Argyles

Another Feast day on January 17 is Antony of the Desert
St Anthony spent eighty-five years in the solitary desert. Shortly before his death, he told the brethren that soon he would be taken from them. He instructed them to preserve the Orthodox Faith in its purity, to avoid any association with heretics, and not to be negligent in their monastic struggles. "Strive to be united first with the Lord, and then with the saints, so that after death they may receive you as familiar friends into the everlasting dwellings."

The saint instructed two of his disciples, who had attended him in the final fifteen years of his life, to bury him in the desert and not in Alexandria. He left one of his monastic mantles to St Athanasius of Alexandria (January 18), and the other to St Serapion of Thmuis (March 21). St Anthony died peacefully in the year 356, at age 105, and he was buried in the desert by his disciples.

Like Roseline ....Antony fought the demons and won

So Nicholas helps us out here