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No, not a spy. A money launderer.

TCP

hmmm......and all of the other priests in the vicinity and their predecessors ...all money launderers too?

A notable few!

TCP

aren't you glad i'm not one of the girls that demand proof of sources....i know a theory when i see one, unlike some.

Yes, it is a theory, and not my own. I'm just a spectator, but what I've seen thus far passes muster with me (well, most of it, but I keep my disagreements to myself for now).

TCP

The following may throw some light on the Johann Orth affair. I obtained this from Twyford and make no comment on it. Don't shoot the messenger.

The following are entries for May 1900. Castillon has been spending some time as a guest of La Diva [Emma Calve?] at her "little castle" i.e. the Chateau de Cabrieres in the Aveyron.


The party of guests comprised Castillon of course, JB described as La Diva's manager; CD a composer and his mistress EB the wife of a prosperous Parisian banker and previously mistress of GF another composer, she is an accomplished "amateur" singer; P a Polish exile, a pianist; Leconte, "a symbolist poet, effete and languid, writer of erotically charged verse usually about the devotees of Sappho on the Island of Lesbos and other like classical themes. CD is at present setting some of these to music." [the words in inverted commas are Castillon's own]; Marcel "a novelist of fragile health who is writing the novel of the 20th century having tired of and been revolted by what he calls the sweaty, heaving, realism of Zola and his clique of the late 19th."; JO "an odd fish, big, burly man with the appearance of a common labourer or deckhand rather who claims to be an English citizen, despite a pronounced guttural teutonic sort of accent, ship-owner and mercantile trader operating out of Gibraltar. Has a yacht moored at Port-Vendres."; JO's wife Molly "she is definitely teutonic, Viennese actually, plump, attractive embonpoint, blonde, singer in light opera and operetta."; the Ser "apparently the high-priest of the Symbolists and a founder of the Rose+Croix. So very interesting company and as far as the ladies are concerned quite a nest of nightingales." This house-party lasts from the 14th to the 17th May. Castillon grumbles about being alone following the desertion of Semiramis but nevertheless confesses to enjoying himself immensely.

Twyford identified (to his own satisfaction) most of the personages behind the initials and Castillon given pseudonyms as follows:-

CD = Claude Debussy who was a member of Rose+Croix
EB = His lover, Emma Bardac, later his wife.
P = Paderewski
Leconte = Pierre Louys
Marcel = Proust
JO = Johann Orth
Ser (sic) should be Sar = Josephin Peladin

bergeredearcadie:

Were you aware that St Vincent of sargossa's feast day is the 22nd of January. Look how the sentence is worded.

bergeredearcadie:



I believe it may have something to do with the way twice IS is said in French comes out sounding like 9. Generally speaking SIS is a reference to the caduceus.

bergeredearcadie:


How many churches are called St Vincent and Ste Croix de Paris?
This actually historical fact that it is based on The gold cross of Toledo and theSt Vincent's in the St Vincent and ste croix is St Vincent's tunic


The tunic of St Vincent of Sargossa.

How many churches are called St Vincent and Ste Croix de Paris

I know all that Rain.

I think i was repsonding to someone who was suggesting that you could follow the track of the Solomon Cross by the name of a church (with Ste Croix' in its title).

Good Point - Maybe the list of popes??? is supposed to have something recorded about about the Cross of Constantine that Helena brought back.
I assumed you had some information on this because of your research into Alaric. So I didn't follow it through at the time.

Ohh Sorry.

http://www.languedoc-france.info/191600_seals.htm

Municipal seal of Castres
First Seal of Castres, reverse



Holding Institution: Archives Nationales (Paris), Catalog number: D5628 bis
Date: 13th C
Location: Languedoc
Size: 55 mm

Description: Saint Vincent, haloed, seated, viewed from the front, in chasuble, right hand raised in benediction and left hand holding a Greek cross; between the moon and the sun (or stars ?);

Appended to an act of the 13th century, year unspecified: promise of the city of Castres to obey the king and the pope in the case of the Albigenses

Transcription: s[igillum] beati vincencii d[e] cast[ris]

Reference: Douët-d'Arcq, L. Collection de sceaux. Paris : H. Plon, 1863-1868.


Municipal seal of Castres
Second Seal of Castres, reverse



Holding Institution: Archives Nationales (Paris), Catalog number: D5629 bis
Date: 1303
Location: Languedoc
Size: 61 mm

Description: Saint Vincent, half-length, coming out of a shrine decorated with nine arches, wearing a toque, dressed in a close-fitting tunic, a rod with a crucifix in the left hand, the right hand raised; appended to an act of July 1303: adherence to the case of Boniface VIII

Transcription: ymago corporis..... [vin]centii

Reference: Douët-d'Arcq, L. Collection de sceaux. Paris : H. Plon, 1863-1868.


Follow the tunic...

TCP

The house set up in Girona, ostensibly for Marie Tourdes, was also the residence

of Johanne Orth who was the source of Sauniere`s fortune.

Could you please be more explicit? I'm not sure what you're suggesting.

Also do you think that the tunic relates in anyway to the Knight's stone.

What is the knight's stone? I never really understood the significance or thought there was a definitive answer.

*I just want to add that St Vincent's feast day is celebrated on the 11th of November in the Eastern Orthodox Churches

and is known also by Vincent of Huesca or Vincent the Deacon.

I've read he's patron saint of vintners, vinegar-makers and prisoners.

Castres. The relics of St. Vincent of Saragossa were housed in the Abbey of Saint-Benoît in Castres. Purportedly stolen and defaced by Huguenots during the Wars of Religion.



Only if one stops to realize that the Abbey of Saint-Benoît in Castres was built to house the relics of Saint Vincent by SALOMON, Count of Cerdanya.

TCP

I'm going to have to say that "La Diva" cannot be Emma Calve. Here's why:

In 1900 Calve was at the Met in New York and being managed by Maurice Grau exclusively. Though Wikipedia has marked the chronology for the year 1899-1900 as "Travel in Orient" it was actually pretty well documented. Let's take a look at some contemporary sources.



In The Musical Times of 1 February, 1900 we see a discussion of Mr. Grau's capabilities as a manager, and mention of Emma Calve's illness.

The New York Times reports on 13 February, 1900 of the illness mention in TMT, and also tells us details of what Calve's travel plans are for the near future, and that she will not be singing any roles. Emma Calve left for Palm Beach, FL on 12 February for a few weeks, then will go on to Cuba. Note how she is described as a member of the Grau team:


On 21 February 1900 The New York Times gives us an update of how Ms. Calve is getting on in Florida:


These events also appear in My Life, Emma Calve's autobiography and as we have seen are corroborated in contemporary journals. Chapter 16 (pg 135) of My Life is called "A Cuban Interlude" and tells of her illness, her trip to Florida, and then Cuba. Then towards the end are these lines:

"...one day I received a cablegram from my manager in New York, asking me to return at once..."

That manager of course was Maurice Grau, asking his artist to come back to the city because she still had obligations to fulfill. The book continues:

"I left Havana and returned to my work."


I very very much doubt that after all this Emma Calve could be in France in May as after the Cuban interlude she went back to work (contracts being contracts after all), which puts us somewhere in March/April (? no dates found for the length of her stay in Cuba, but the book makes it sound like rather more than just a week). Either way, "La Diva's" manager is referred to as JB... not even close to MG. For someone who takes pains to write people's names in a journal as initials only, and manages to get everyone's initials right except this one is baffling.

Then there is Paderewski...

Around this time I. Paderewski, though mainly known as a pianist, was hard at work on his opera Manru which would premiere in Dresden in 1901. In attendance at the premiere was Maurice Grau... Grau "took notice of Paderewski's Manru before its Dresden premiere, and decided to stage it in New York after its success at Dresden's Royal Theater. More information about the New York premiere of Manru may be found in Paderewski's interviews published in the British press in mid-September 1901. He confirmed what was reported earlier, i.e. that Grau would produce Manru in New York, with the Met Orchestra conducted by Walter Damrosch..." To make a long story short, Grau and Paderewski knew each other. For anyone other than Maurice Grau to be introduced as Emma Calve's manager/impresario would be a blatant lie sure to be noticed by people in the same social sphere.

On 12 February 1900 Paderewski gave a recital in Lincoln Nebraska, USA(see this link) as part of an American tour sponsored by Steinway. By 9 April 1900 he had only made it as far as Boston, with still more dates to go including London:


So with a tour schedule, AND finishing touches on an opera (to not even mention the rehearsals!) again I don't see that Paderewski could have had much leisure time to spend in a castle in France.

If "La Diva" had a manager with the initials JB, then "La Diva" cannot be Emma Calve. If Paderewski was present at this party, he most certainly knew Grau, his reputation, and his connection to Calve. During the time period in question Emma Calve only had one manager, and that would be Maurice Grau. He was still her manager one year later:

Now that is what i call a good bit of research....exactly what we need more of round here.

mmm I've noticed the boards kinda kicked into life these last couple of days.....I wonder why

Now that is what i call a good bit of research....exactly what we need more of round here.


I agree.

Breath of fresh air Thorstien.

mmm I've noticed the boards kinda kicked into life these last couple of days.....I wonder why

Because you're back???

flattery will get you everywhere

Original ideas...hmmm let's see. A ref to Golden Arches... ah, the inspiration for Mickey D's chain of eateries, perhaps? Their prominent 'Golden 'M'' is known world wide, yes?

Then the initials bit. Who is to say if in esoteric circles that Grau dude didn't go by a'nuvver handle as Twyford seems to think he did. Point I make is, Emma baby only had 1 manager, yes? uh, folks there is a 'thang' called the ergo factor, yes?

How often did Ian Fleming invert, revert, confabulate folks from his spook daze into his 007 tales? As I see it, this all 'boot show biz and its infernal internal arcana, yes? Why else would nearly 99% of Jewish theatrical folks have changed names? Why do they need to resort to such subterfuge? The diary alludes to this very subterfuge concept, IMHO.

Now in regards to BS bein' a double ot triple turned agent is actually a very gallic 'thang', IMHO. Intrigue seems to be the wanna-be middle name of every Frenchman on the planet. Just ask Roger why he is on this forum spewin' out so many of his gallic intrigue red herrings. Its comes with the breed ya might say...consider the source is more likely the reason why.

This RLC enigma just reeks with this element of subliminal melodrama, IMHO. It wouldn't be French if it didn't have all this nefarious intrigue built into it.

BTW, use of doubles has happened many times thruout history. The fact Emma wasn't able to sing and had to cancel her opera dates, tells me, that was a cover pretense so that she could be else where durin' that time and could re-surface in say Havana, etc. Just look at who owned the NY Times, need I say more? Thorstein's bit of research only re-inforces this cover story IMHO.

Brilliant! Brace yourself for another volcanic eruption.

TCP

Le Serpent Rouge

10 Scorpio

Vision céleste pour celui qui me souvient des quatres oeuvres de Em. SIGNOL autour de la ligne du Méridien, au choeur même du sanctuaire d’où rayonne cette source d’amour des uns pour les autres, je pivote sur moi-même passant du regard la rose du P à celle de l’S, puis de l’S au P ... et la spirale dans mon esprit devenant comme un poulpe monstrueux expulsant son encre, les ténèbres absorbent la lumière, j’ai le vertige et je porte ma main à ma bouche mordant instinctivement ma paume, peut-être comme OLIER dans son cerceuil. Malédiction, je comprends la vérité, IL EST PASSE, mais lui aussi en faisant LE BIEN, ainsi que xxxxxxxx CELUI de la tombe fleurie . Mais combien ont saccagé la MAISON, ne laissant que des cadavres embaumés et nombres de métaux qu’ils n’avaient pu emporter. Quel étrange mystère recèle le nouveau temple de SALOMON édifié par les enfants de Saint VINCENT.


11 Ophiuchus/Serpent

Maudissant les profanateurs dans leurs cendres et ceux qui vivent sur leurs traces, sortant de l’abîme où j’étais plongé en accomplissant le geste d’horreur : "Voici la preuve que du sceau de SALOMON je connais le secret, que xxxxxxxxxxx de cette REINE j’ai visité les demeures cachées." A ceci, Ami Lecteur, garde toi d’ajouter ou de retrancher un iota ... médite, Médite encore, le vil plomb de mon écrit xxxx contient peut-être l’or le plus pur.


TCP