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It was actually called la forêt de Cruye, and this might be easier for you to trace on the older maps. It was renamed la fôret de Marly in the 18thc.

Before the Roman epoque what is now named « le chemin des cochons » and « la route de Val Martin » determined the frontier between the Carnutes and the Parisii....but anything mentioning golden angels and fleur de Lys' is just added Suger spin i reckon.

What I am looking into isn't anything to do with the fleur de Lys or Suger
It won't interest anyone, just something I read about Charlemagne that crops up from time to time. Thanks for the earlier name reference for the forest, that will be why I couldn't find it in earlier maps.

Does that mean you don't want me to post all these maps now ?
Regards
Nic
Edit to add:-
Sod it, I've cropped them now, but I'll put them in a new topic cause they will take up some space !!!

no, we would love the maps please....a new section would be ace.

the Cassini map was just to whet the appetite.

Thanks Nic , where have you put them?

And what the Flying F__k does this have to do with the Bezu Valley?

Allow me to remind you of the title of this thread>

Demonstrable facts of the Bezu valley Landscape Geometry

Didn't know that we've got a new moderator.

Well if there isn't a moderator then how do YOU PEOPLE hope to take over this forum?

YOU try discussing anything on here. Your attempts at doing a snow job on the threads I started can work both ways.

Trouble is it's probably more difficult for me to snow job your threads because YOU PEOPLE bore the living S__t out of me.

Yes it typical that the people on here cannot handle this fundamental truth and thus try to ignore it in the hope that it will go away.

five circles over two and half miles all with their circumferences on Coustaussa and all within 100 metres of each other and four of them within 9 yards of each other.

Explain?

Sorry Roscoe I don't have a valid explanation for this, other than it being something that is a possibility just due to the amount of churches in the area. If that is the case, and I'm not saying that it is, has another researcher looked at similar regions with tightly grouped churches in Europe and looked at their relationships ( barring Bornholm obviously ) ? I would also be interested if the statistics were there for the dating of the churches ( or religious structures they may have replaced ), to see if there is a particular period in history that such pre-planning may have been possible, even dating back to Roman or earlier. However I doubt that this information is available, unless SESA or another archaeological society has compiled such data.
I can accept the choices for churches to be placed in specific locations for either population or geographical reasons. What is your theory Roscoe ? Is it linked to sun worship or astronomy or something else ?
Regards
Nic

The churches are placed over former sites of worship of a previous religion.

“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Gaston Jourdanne: Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude, 1900

By the way those of you lucky enough to see the sunset at the moment will notice that it is setting at the same point every evening at the moment. This is called

The Summer Solstice

The sun appears to die for three days but will be reborn again on 24th June - St John the Baptist Day

This is not unique to the Languedoc


derbyshire England
Check out the rock art

This is on the same meridian as Mont St Michel

It's just behind The Druid's Inn

More rock art


Ballintaggart, Dingle penisular, just north of the Kerry penisular, Eire (a country named after a pagan Goddess, but then so was Europe)


Viskubrunnurinn - Galdrastafir, Iceland

Rowtor Rocks in the Peak District. Interesting sounding site. They used to be called the Druid Rocks. This is the Modern Antiquarian's take, with the usual photos, field notes, etc.

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/sit ... rocks.html

Here's a short Youtube film of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NmrU33v0N4

Reputed to be a site of some paranormal activity, and there have been reports of black masses, strange chanting at night, etc. Probably a place better visited by day.

It's also quite close to the Nine Ladies of Stanton Moor stone circle.

http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/85/

This is a lovely place to visit, specially on a long June night, it holds an electric type of atmosphere that feels a bit like mini tingles that you get from a static build up
i cant attach a picture cos i am at work

Long Meg and Her Daughters

A weight of awe, not easy to be bourne,
Fell suddenly upon my spirit - cast
From the dread bosom of the unknown past
When first I saw that family forlorn..

Those are the words which William Wordsworth - the poet of the lakes - used to describe the Long Meg and Her Daughters, one of the largest stone circles in the British Isles. The circle has been stirring imaginations for centuries and is steeped in folklore and legend.

Over time its grandeur has been much depleted, many of the stones are buried or have fallen, and others have disappeared completely. Written records from the early 17th century suggest that there were as many as 77 megaliths at that time. Traces of banking around the circle also suggest the site may have originally been a henge.

The circle is actually oval in shape, 300 feet (92 metres) in diameter at its narrowest point, consisting of bulky boulders of grey granite some of them weighing as much as thirty tonnes. Two of the biggest stones stand opposite each other to the east and west, and two huge stones mark a southwest entrance.

Long Meg is the most famous stone in the circle. The focal point of the site she stands outside the circle positioned towards the southwest, where (when standing in the centre of the circle) the midwinter sun would have set below Neolithic skies. Long Meg is constructed of red sandstone, quarried from the banks of the River Eden nearly two miles away. There must have been a good reason - perhaps purely religious - for this extra effort, but we may never know the intricacies of ancient belief.

Folklore and Legend

The stones are associated with many legends, and have been the source of superstition for centuries, in fact the stones are associated with three common stone circle legends: petrification, uncountable stones and the association with severe weather.
Petrification: Legend tells that the stones were originally a coven of witches, turned to stone by the Scottish wizard Michael Scott. This legend is common throughout Britain with variation, stone circles have been petrified sinners, wedding parties and giants.
Uncountable stones: The stone circle is said to be uncountable, if anybody can count the same number twice then Michael Scott's spell will be broken and the witches released from their granite prisons.

http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/longmeg.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Meg_and_Her_Daughters
http://www.britainexpress.com/articles/ ... ng-meg.htm

Looks nice. The next time I go to Scotland I'm going to stop over in Cumbria so I can visit some of its megalithic sites.



Like the Brittany legend about the stones at Carnac being the petrified remains of Roman soldiers, back before they knew that they are really much, much older.

This type of sigil certainly exists elsewhere, here's one we took at an old ruined church in Normandy. This location also has solar symbols and sundials carved into it, although they are naively done. Difficult to tell if they are ancient or more recent, and although lovely to think they were made by adherants of an older religion, they are just as likely to be carved by a bored teenager with an interest in esoterica. Difficult to tell with rock art, unless they are referenced in older documents.

Devil's Armchair?

Close to Rowter Rocks near The Druid Inn, Birchover

Yes, echoes of that, certainly. From some of the snippets about this place that I read on Julian Cope's website (one of my links above) there's some thought that some of the steps and chairs and suchlike, including that one, I presume, might have been carved out by a 17th century clergyman called Thomas Eyre.



From this essay, by Tom Bates, on the About Derbyshire website, called "The Eyres and Catholic Graces of Derbyshire".

http://www.aboutderbyshire.co.uk/cms/pe ... c-gr.shtml

I thought the stones behind Roscoe's main stone looked 'hand carved' - as well they may be:
http://www.peakdistrictview.com/?page=p ... aceid=1426
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/rowtor.htm

The stone Roscoe shows appears to be bronze age, and the more recent 'larger' layouts 17th century.

I still don't follow you Roscoe. Can you explain why it's so significant? Each site may have a whole series of 'updates'. A site deemed 'sacred' 8,000 years ago may have been seen the same up until the present day, with each change in 'religion' claiming it as their own. Why would that be surprising? Man re-uses (or used to before the throwaway society hit the west) all the time. He reuses materials, ideas, gods. Anything.

So if the Church built over something sacred in the past 1700 years, are you saying that that site hadn't been re-used prior to that? I'm not quite sure if you think the pinnacle of building these landmarks is 2000 years old or 5000 years old or earlier.

Could you just explain, on the assumption that all the alignments that you say/think exist do exist, what they were for and why people went to such trouble? If they were purely for tracking solar and lunar movement and therefore seasons and time, although that is fascinating, why is it important now?

Didn't we see on another thread, that in County Sligo alone there are something like 5000 neolithic stone formations?

Personally, I'm just amazed, that at a time when the population was very, very small compared to today, and when just living was the main focus, that man spent so much 'human' resource on building such apparently non-essential structures. But I just don't see the connection to 'this' riddle. IE if you're saying that the alignments are 1000's of years old, then they are nothing to do with Sauniere. He just happened to inherit a church. And if these alignments are so prevalent and so many were 'usurped' to build Christian churches, aren't there then thousands of priests who at some point have inherited one of these churches (both in France and presumably Europe in general)? It seems that the priest in the 17th century also saw something special about Rowtor Rocks and seems to have gone on a carving spree. Maybe he just felt 'at one' there? Is he then also part of the mystery of RLC (the Rev Thomas Eyre - http://www.aboutderbyshire.co.uk/cms/pe ... c-gr.shtml)?

I don't suppose anyone in his or her right mind would wish to feed your ego by attempting such futility. You have demonstrated before that you will not accept any evidence, however powerfully presented, that impinges on your adoration of Lincoln and his spurious circles.

However, I think the work of David Furlong in the UK is along similar lines. He's found circles of churches both on the Marlborough Downs and in the Cotswolds. I didn't approve of some of David's work either, but as a result we are now working together at Avebury to find a consensus of agreement. We work well together, criticising and challenging each other's conclusions and it's leading to healthy results and hey, together we even found a missing stone at Avebury.

We don't sport the baggy trouser, nor do we use a theodolite, but we do use GPS and the techniques to get accurate results therefrom. For closer work we use an accurate surveying laser.

Here's a couple of David's findings - the two circles are interlinked:







Now you could argue this does not answer your challenge, but I might retaliate and ask that you find me two circles in the RLC area with seven churches on each. I know you wont even try, for the same reasons nobody will try your challenge.

You are like a breath of fresh air to this forum Whoop, that is an excellent example of how putting aside your differences can work. If only everyone could pull together instead squabbling so much more could be achieved and everyone would benefit, that is why we are all here after all