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Alas once Williams had realised that in his attempt to debunk the Landscape Geometry he had in fact enhanced ithe argument what did he do? Why he immediately removed his DATA from the internet. You do wonder why he would want to do that after he had gone to the trouble of visiting every site with his GPS.

Mariano Tomatis however used David Williams' DATA to make his argument that there was nothing in the Landscape Geometry but has opted out of using the DATA that I posted above.

Why would Mariano Tomatis do this?

Well there's only one answer to the question why would David Williams AND Mariano Tomatis remove DATA that gives the Landscape Geometry credence. I'll leave it to you to go figure.

David has no desire to keep a webpage up merely to satisfy your long-term delusional tendencies.

Mariano's website still has his statistical mathematics for the RLC area on his website - I posted a link to them recently. So the answer to this one is: "he didn't".

You say you have the data anyway, you kept it, so what is your problem? Go away and do the work. Wombat and I would at least like to see you do circle 5. How could you possibly look any more stupid than you already do?

Put up or shut up.

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Coustaussa - was it a Tempar chateau or a Cathar chateau? - or both?

Do you think that this is the building depicted on the MM altar at RLC? and why?

Wait a minute here. Are you trying to tell me that David Williams makes the effort to visit every relevant site and checks them using three different GPS receivers (a very laudible effort by the way) puts them up on a website for all to see, and then at first time these readings get challenged he removes them?

I have websites I never bother with and I certainly no longer pay for and yet they are still there. I'd like to remove them but can't.

Yes I have his data and you're not important enough for me to let you see them. Reason? If David Williams comes back with his DATA then I'll know if they've been changed.

I have a theory about circle 5 but I don't want things getting sidetracked here.

I already have put up, it isn't my fault that you cannot deal with it.

If that's not DATA then you'd better tell Mariano Tomatis that the data he's using for his rebuttal is incorrect.

The errors are due to Whoop's inability to read maps properly.

No I don't


Painted by Sauniere we're told.

Left to right
A chateau - Rennes le Chateau?
In front of this on the same ridge, a tower with wall to the right? - La tour Magdala?
An Arch in the background? - Arques?
Blue and white conical hill behind the flat ridge but in front of the Arch? - Cardou?

This is the view from the Grotte de la Madelaine

A line drawn on a map that leaves Rennes le Chateau to the left, Arques in the middle and Cardou to the right extends to the west through the grotte to Brenac Church. In other words this frieze under the altar in Saunière's church of Saint Marie Madeleine could be a theoretical view from a cave that is situated at Brenac showing a Golden Dawn (the sunrise on Summer Solstice) emerging from behind the Arch.
It is worth noting that, despite the distance (just under 10km), Brenac church can be clearly seen from Rennes le Chateau and vice versa. We're told that Saunière made many visits to this church and after consulting a retired priest from there apparantly turned his attention to Perillos to the east of Rennes near to Perpignan. However it is worth noting that this line drawn from Brenac church to Arques is at an angle of 23.5 degrees from due east i.e. The tilt angle of the earth.

Brenac is a village just off the road from Quillan to Montsegur. The village was formerly known as Bernacum and is at the foot of the plate of Nebias which encompasses the commune of hamlets comprising of Fauruc, Lasserre, Monsec and Prax. The name Brenac is probably of Gallo-Roman origins. The Chapter of Narbonne holds the title deeds to it in the 9th century and there is mention of the village, as Bernacum, in 870, in the cartulary of St Just. The Chapter of Narbonne (St Just) then equipped the place as a stronghold and this was done by royal approval.

Its history dates back to prehistoric times, as several remains continue to testify. In the 11th century, the church was built and the old remains of this church are visible in the current church, which has since then been altered numerous times. The village suffered during the Cathar crusade, as well as the religious wars that occurred in the 16th century. The chronicle states that virtually everything had to be rebuilt. The church also had to be repaired. It would suffer again during the French Revolution, but unlike others in the area, was not destroyed.

There exists a persistent rumour linking this village with the village of Rennes-le-Château which wont go away. Both villages were close to one another and throughout recent times at least, priests from each village would definitely occasionally meet, either socially or officially; indeed Saunière mentions such visits in his diary. However just outside the village are the remains of a small insulated vault (it can be reached by car), which is a Visigothic oratory and is listed as under the protection of St Anthony. There are many points, all around Brenac, where this vault could have been built, but from this specific point the village of Rennes-le-Château can be clearly seen. There appears to be a natural alignment between these two sites – and seems to suggest some intention on the part of our early ancestors. However there is another site, near Brenac, that has attracted the attention of vandals and has been violated in the hope of discovering the famous treasure of the Razès in that location. No treasure has been found and the site had to be carefully protected from further destruction by treasure hunters.

There was a former priest of Brenac called Capel who was curé in 1793. We know that the priest of Rennes-le-Château, Bigou, went to Spain to flee the French Revolution, there is some speculation that the priest of Brenac went with him?

In the early 19th century, the church was in a sorry state. In 1809, Mgr. de Laporte, bishop of Carcassonne, worried about the maintenance of the building. However it would be 1837 before any work was carried out. An entry porch was added and to the left and right, two side chapels were created.
In 1843, beautiful but strange frescoes were added to panels in the ceiling. They have been listed in the Historic buildings inventory since April 9, 1987 (as was the bell dating from 1646). In some ways this church is decorated better than the St Marie Madeleine church in Rennes le Chateau.

The church is under the protection of St Julien and St Basilisse, both saints that lived in the 4th century and were martyrs in Antioch. In the county of the Razès we find the churches of Especel, Magrie and Villar-Saint-Andre also under their patronage. In Brenac, the celebrations in their honour occur on January 19, the day of St Marius, but before, it was the feast of St Germanique. The following day, January 20, masses were said for the dead.

One priest of Brenac is worth special mention, he is François Courtade. Born in 1820, he attended the great seminar of Carcassonne. He was named priest of Brenac on May 10, 1848, where he would remain for the next 40 years – until the time when a young Beringer Saunière arrived at Rennes-le-Chateau as curé. He was the great nephew of Felix Armand, who was famous for having made tunnels in the region. François Courtade was also an experienced sculptor and painter, he may well have painted the Mary Magdalene picture shown above. The village still has the statue of former bishop Petrus Amelius, residing on top of the fountain near the church, inaugurated in 1878 it was sculptured by Courtade. Petrus Amelius (Pierre Amiel) was a former native of Brenac and he was connected with the Avignon popes and specifically involved in the return of the Holy See to Rome at the time of Gregory XI. Amiel’s career began around 1365 and lasted up to his death in 1401. He was the patriarch of Raden and Alexandria, a position he received in 1386 and which he held until 1391.

Saunière is reported to have consulted Courtade before turning his attention to Perillos.

Last but not least it is worth a mention that at the beginning of the 17th century there was yet another enigmatic figure, Polycarpe de la Rivière, who showed a more than normal interest in the history of Brenac. Too strong an interest, it seems, as his work on the history was forbidden by the Church authorities.
His prohibited work was written in 1638 and entitled “Histoire de la ville d’Avignon”. What is so strange about the history of this town that it required the intervention of the Vatican. But could it have been something that Amiel, in his privileged position as papal librarian, was also aware of? Amiel was of course part of that history for Polycarpe.

http://www.perillos.com/brenac_01.html

Just thought i'd put up a link to show people where you are lifting stuff from, pretty much wholesale...not directly i admit because you've already lifted it from this site to copy onto your own website, again with no link to where you lifted it from...so all you have to do now is copy and paste direct from your own site onto here...quick and nifty eh?

btw...is that not called plagiarism ?

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Hi Wombat,

When I did this exercise in 2009 I took the co-ordinates that were given on DW's website. It was easy enough to plot these in Google.

Now the funny thing is, these locations indeed landed on the churches. So my inability to read maps clearly did not hinder me in correctly locating the places given. Actually I don't need to read maps, just punch in the given numbers. Job done.

There is a mathematical circle generator available for Google Earth and this was used to plot the circles. Again I don't need any map reading ability to do this. The problem of course comes when we have to find the centres of the circles that are not given, but no matter, we can see the intersections of the circles we do have and we can plonk a marker with gunsight accuracy where these occur. Take this location, take the given circle radius and off we go again - no map reading ability needed; we have been told what to do.

I did it my way. Mariano Tomatis did it his way. A few other people tried it too and it doesn't work. End of.

Maps work, Google works, Maths works. The only thing that doesn't is Roscoe.

Yes Sheila. It's also breach of copyright, not to say very very rude if he's not asked permission. I think Roscoe should stick to his conspiracy theory sites, but he's not much loved on those either from what I observe.

Davinho took a great picture from the Grotte


Can I ask
can one see Brenac from the Tour Magdala and it could it be seen through the trefoil ?

At no point does that webpage even talk about the painting unnderneath altar, nor does it mention Grotte de la Madeleine. As for Brenac. Well there's only one history but I suppose I could do what you do and make up my own history.

I love it when everyone has a go at me. It is in fact the only reason I'm here at all. It sharpens up my answers. I've been provoking people ever since I started social networking way back in 1990.

Well you'd just say that I altered them to fit. Better for David Williams to repost his data. Actually he posted these circles on this very website. But he removed them, why would he do that?

Yes but they wont be circles anymore. The centre of your map is the only position that is correct. You can as I have done first mark the other points that you expect to be on the circumference by first placing them at the centre of your view. But the joining of the points will not produce a circle. That is because as you move out from the centre point the google map becomes more and more distorted.

You cannot correct this because if you project your image to reproduce bearing and distance then something else will be sacrificed i.e. Shape and area. It seems that you do not realise this.



Erm! Not me old chum David Williams. These are NOT my circles. You are debunking the very person who provided Mariano Tomatis with his DATA.

This is why I post them, I am setting you a trap. I know that you will feel compelled to debunk them and by doing so will shoot yourself in the foot.

Brenac is some distance from Grotte de La Madeleine and his somewhat higher. You can see Brenac church from the tour Magdala.

The tower at Fa is interesting in this respect. You can see the tower at Fa from the tour magdala but not only that the tower is orientated towards Rennes le Chateau.

And you have done this work where exactly? Probing in fact that the mess doesn't work. But you blame Google.

Don't be absurd. The Google tiles are mapped and wrapped to a curved surface. Everywhere appears to be is where it should be.

I am not marking the points out in any view, such as you say you did and suggest I do. I put the given coordinates in. Which is what I expect you to do.

It's your Quillan jobbie that will be out, being a distorted conic projection.

You are a disgrace. Silly boy.

We all know nobody can win arguing with Roscoe - there's none so blind as those that won't see. As I have said several times before, I am posting here lest anyone else - not Roscoe - should fall into the trap of believing this nonsense.

and when i mean "wholesale"...i mean word for word... you've re-arranged whole sentences and paragraphs and passed it off as your own work.

Taxi for a Mr Roscoe ?

Or should that read:-
Mr Taxi a Roscoe for?

TD

Brenac sits at the foot of the plate of Nebias, some ten kilometres from Quillan, along a secondary road. It encompasses the commune of the village, and the hamlets of Fauruc, Lasserre, Monsec and Prax. Its history dates back to prehistoric times, as several remains continue to testify.
The name Brenac is probably of Gallo-Roman origins. The Chapter of Narbonne holds the title deeds to it in the 9th century. There is mention of the village, as Bernacum, in 870, in the cartulary of St Just.
The Chapter of Narbonne (St Just) then equipped the place with a stronghold, this by royal approval. In the 11th century, the church was built, the old remains visible in the current church, which has since then been altered numerous times.
The village suffered during the Cathar crusade, as well as the religious wars that occurred in the 16th century. The chronicle states that virtually everything had to be rebuilt. The church also had to be repaired. It would suffer again during the French Revolution, but unlike others in the area, was not destroyed.



Just outside the village are the remains of a small insulated vault (one can reach it by car), which is the prolongation of a Visigothic oratory, under the protection of St Anthony. There are many points, all around Brenac, where this vault could have been built. But we need to note that it is from this specific point that the village of Rennes-le-Château can be clearly seen. It is a natural alignment between the two sites – and does suggest intention on the part of our early ancestors.
It is at this point that we need to add that another site, near Brenac, attracted the attention of vandals, in the hope of discovering the famous treasure of the Razès in that location… of course, no treasure was found, though the site had to be carefully protected from further destruction.



It was a certain Capel who was in charge of Brenac in 1793. We know that the priest of Rennes-le-Château, Bigou, went to Spain. Perhaps the priest of Brenac went with him? This is idle speculation, but not illogical, given the proximity of the two sites and the seriousness of the situation
In the 19th century, the church was in a sorry state. In 1809, Mgr. de Laporte, bishop of Carcassonne, worried about the maintenance of the building. He had good reason to be anxious: the roof threatened to collapse, as its frame was completely eaten by worms. The pediment of the church was dangerously split and the bell-tower had but one remaining bell. Still, it would 1837 before any work was carried out. An entry porch was added and to the left and right, two side chapels were created.
In 1843, beautiful but strange frescoes were added to panels in the ceiling. They have been listed in the Historic buildings inventory since April 9, 1987 (as was the bell dating from 1646).



The church is under the protection of St Julien and St Basilisse, both saints that lived in the 4th century and were martyrs in Antioch. These two saints are frequently find as patrons in this department, with nearly twenty churches dedicated to them. Just in the county of the Razès itself do we thus find the churches of Especel, Magrie and Villar-Saint-Andre under their patronage.
In Brenac, the celebrations in their honour occur on January 19, the day of St Marius, but before, it was the feast of St Germanique. The following day, January 20, masses were said for the dead.



Though several priests took care of this church, there is one priest that history has set aside for a particular importance: François Courtade!
Born in 1820, he attended the great seminar of Carcassonne. He was named priest of Brenac on May 10, 1848, where he would remain for the next 40 years – until the time when a young Saunière had arrived in Rennes-le-Chateau. Let us add that he was the great nephew of Felix Armand, who was famous for having made tunnels in the region.
François Courtade was also an experienced sculptor and painter. The village still has his statue of bishop Petrus Amelius, residing on top of the fountain near the church, inaugurated in 1878. Petrus Amelius (Pierre Amiel) was a native of Brenac. He was connected with the Avignon popes and specifically in the return of the Holy See to Rome in the time of Gregory XI.



This to my mind, is just an example of Demonstrable facts of Plagiarism.....however if i am mistaken then kindly prove me wrong and i will apologise and remove my post.

I don't think Roscoe is capable of anything more than cutty-cutty pasty-pasty.

How would you know you've never been anywhere near the place?

You have no idea the irony of the posting immediately after the Queen of Cut and Paste.

It's actually common knowledge. Well I thought it was but there seems to be one or two who received their education from a Corn Flakes packet.





Tell me how you are going to display (using any technique) a three dimensional object on a two dimensional surface and not expect to have distortion?

Silly boy.



And you will NOT get a circle.



Is Australia actually that shape?

I'm a Radio Ham I live in central England if I want the United States I beam North West. Why do you think that is?

But not only this you post your mappie mappie stuff on here with no information as to how you have the terrain setting adjusted or the height you are observing from.

You haven't a clue on how maps work.



Well firstly it's not my Quillan jobbie and the point Lincoln is making are the repeated measurements. The actual measurement is irrelevant it is just that the same measurement, presumeably all showing the same error, are repeated over and over again.

Secondly
The Quillan map Lamberts CONFORMAL Conic Projection. That means that it is optimised for the area that it covers i.e. between 20 degrees North and 60 degrees north. So the errors (bearing and distance and area distortion) are minimised for that area. There are still errors there though. Optimise the bearing and distance and you get area distortion and there is absolutely and utterly no way out of it.

How about keeping a website up for the benefit of Mariano Tomatis? He uses them. You say Tomatios uses satistical analysis, statistical analysis of what? The guy removed the DATA at the first sign of someone questioning them.

Oh and by the way I've done the work. All this is to test to see the reaction. You see the likes of you will not accept this truth if it walked over and crapped on you. We've seen this many times in this story not just the Landscape Geometry. One thing you learn when you study this subject for a long time, there are special circumstances surrounding the Rennes le Chateau story particularly with regard to the so called researchers. Andrew, Corjan and Philip spoke of this in a very interesting Radio Rennesance broadcast.

There is a certain psychology involved. You display the classic I'm right and I'm going to bend the truth to show I'm right syndrome. and of course you have the gaggle of yesmen around you, who if I wasn't here would be pitching into you.

It is interesting to watch the psychology of this forum when I shut up for some time. In no time people who were united when I'm here become vicious with each other when I'm not here.

I realise that it doesn't matter what I say you'll not accept any of this. You ignore the Bornholm DATA completely because it is a little more difficult to debunk that.

But when I put all of this down for public scrutiny I want to have all the attack methods of the I-wont-believe-under-any-circumstances fraterity fully covered