De Cherisey admitted to creating the parchments

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

jb1717 · **Joined:** 15 Oct 2006 3:58 am **Posts:** 2935

I don't recall doing anything that would indicate mental illness. You, on the other hand, have posted the word "spam" on forums about 50 times in a row and have harrassed women by e-mail. Now THAT is mental illness. In regard to the parchments, de Cherisey's explanations for the words are nonsense and his "decryption" published in Circuit is flawed to such an extent that there is no way he could have derived the final message from it in the manner he described. This is a fact easily proved by anyone who wants to follow the steps in Circuit, like I did.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Philippe de Cherisey first admitted to creating the "parchments" in 1967 following the publication of Gerard de Sede's "L'Or de Rennes" because the author was profitting financially from the creations of Pierre Plantard and Philippe de Cherisey without splitting the book royalties, the details have been known about for decades in France:
http://priory-of-sion.com/posd/pdchparchments.html

Here, Philippe de Cherisey admitted to Pierre Jarnac in 1979 to having forged the "parchments":

29 January 1974
P.S. Do you know that the famous manuscripts supposedly discovered by the Abbé Saunière were composed in 1965? And that I took responsibility for being the author?
Yours sincerely
Philippe de Chérisey.

The primary factor to the "parchments" is not the decoding/encoding technique but the composition of the "Berger Pas De Tentation" message and Philippe de Cherisey admitted to having created that message as well:

"Yes, I am the author of the message "BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION" quoted on pages 20-21 [cf, in Elizabeth Van Buren’s book, The Sign of the Dove]. My conclusions have been registrated at an attorney at law and by my novel "Circuit" deposited in the Bibliothèque Nationale".

So much for the lie and fantasy that "Philippe de Cherisey NEVER confessed publicly to writing the parchments" ---
jb1717 and "Roscoe" (Eric Michael Tull) believe in things that were created for the sole purpose of promoting Plantard fantasies and they believe in things that have never existed, that have only been photocopies of De Cherisey's pranks - they believe in things that they cannot see and cannot touch.

But it is more than apparent that jb1717 and "Roscoe" are mentally ill individuals.

Paul Smith

So how come Pierre Jarnac thinks that de Cherisey DIDN'T write the shepherdess parchment?

Here read this from his interview

What do you suppose this means?

Quote:

Pierre Jarnac: I always had with regard to these parchments a certain retreat. In my book, in 1985, I speak about it but do not reproduce them. I did not manage to convince myself that they were false. But still is necessary it to get along on their character apocryphal book. Philippe de Cherisey said and writes that he was the author But same information Jean-Luc Chaumeil had showed amply that it could not be the case. .Moreover, "Pierre and Papier" largely prove that Philippe de Cherisey tried to include/understand them. If he had been the author of these documents, why in particular would he have screened the analysis of each word of the message of the First Manuscript "Shepherdess not of temptation..."? Conceived on a corner of kitchen table, why then harness himself, for forty pages, to interpret a meaningless message

So your only evidence that de Cherisey is the author is from a researcher who thinks that de Cherisey wasn't the author. Explain please?

de Cherisey admitted that he was the author of the solution to the message BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION that is NOT the same as him admitting he composed the parchment.

Nice try but no banana.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

jb1717 · **Joined:** 15 Oct 2006 3:58 am **Posts:** 2935

Great, you did absolutely nothing to prove Tull's last post invalid. All you did was insult his French translating. As the quote said, why did de Cherisey need 40 pages to explain his whimsical bit of surrealism? Something screwy is definitely going on with de Cherisey's "confessions". Know what I think? I think he broke into a hall of records, stole a bunch of files then set the place on fire to conceal his crime. Just ask Chaumeil. He'll tell you about the burned down hall and how de Cherisey got some stuff from it. He just won't tell you that de Cherisey really got the stuff before the fire, not after it ie; when he broke in and pulled the heist and then torched the place. I think that message was in there. He knew it meant something but he didn't know what. So he had to try to make up some kind of explanation. Sadly, he was so inadequate at it that he came out looking like either a crazy person or a liar. He also didn't fully understand the decryption procedure, which he stole along with the message, so he made errors that nobody would make if they were the actual designer of the code. By the time he published it in Circuit, he would have gone through the procedure probably dozens of times when he was developing it. He would not have made the slightest mistake, IF he was the author.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

de Cherisey told Henry Lincoln that he was writing down what he thought was the solution to Bergere pas de tentation

Lincoln describes it thus in Key to the sacred pattern:

QUOTE

Quote:

"The day is ending, but it is fine. De Cherisey expresses a desire to take a stroll and a lengthy preambulation end on a bench in the Tuileries Gardens. He is still regaling me with well told - and often very funny - anecdotes. But I have more on my mind than entertainment. We are getting on well and the atmosphere is friendly. At last, with time passing and nothing to lose, I decide to put my request baldly. 'Can I take another look at the parchment photographs?' With only minimal hesitation, he opens his briefcase and hands them to me. 'Why add the marks' I ask 'To amuse the laity' he replied 'But why?' I insist. He shrugs 'I'm an entertainer.' It is clear that I am to get no straight answers. But - perhaps simply because it was to hand - he adds another fragment. Picking a few sheets from his case, he says: 'I'm writing an explanation of the codes. I'll send you a copy. You'll be amused' But I am never to see it.(See Note) Nor am I ever to get any closer to the 'parchment originals'. Sadly Philippe de Cherisey died suddenly in July 1985.

NOTE: There is reason to suspect that this document may have been part of the haul of stolen Priory papers' which figured in the Chaumeil imbroglio"

END OF QUOTE

In other words Lincoln saw Stone and Paper whilst de Cherisey was still alive.

Question for you. Why did de Cherisey give Stone and Paper to a man we know he didn't get on with when he could have given it to Henry Lincoln who had already seen it?

Stone and Paper is de Cherisey's notes on what he thought was the solution.

Oh and by the way notice in the letter you produced Smith that Philippe de Cherisey says that he TOOK RESPONSIBILITY TO BEING THE AUTHOR he didn't actually say he was the author.

The reason he did this was as a counter to Gerard de Sede's books who had somehow got hold of the priory documents taken in the burglary. de Cherisey was trying to rubbish de Sede's credibility.

De Sede had got hold of what de Cherisey called the File of George Monti.

If you think this is a game perhaps I should inform everyone that George Monti was a friend of Plantard and he was poisoned. His killer was never found.

The poisoning of George Monti is likely to make Plantard and de Cherisey act in a strange manner in case it happened to them. Monti was right in this amongst the esoteric groups in France.

de Cherisey did not create the shepherdess parchment, but I do concede that he MAY have altered the Dagobert parchment.

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Utter rubbish from Brian Ettinger. Complete nonsense from someone who knows absolutely NOTHING about the subject matter.

Paul Smith

Smith hasn't a clue on how to answer this. Hence the insults.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

The mental defective cannot understand English, never mind French.
And he does not even know the origin of the lie that "Monti knew Plantard" --- but that would be far too complicated for a simpleton like him to work out. More mistakes. More Distorted reasoning. More Bullshit from someone who does not understand things properly. Somebody should tell him that Monti died before the Alpha Galates were even created and that Plantard's stories and allegations have never fitted the facts. Not since the 1940s. Never mind the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, 1990s.

Paul Smith

Plantard was introduced to Monti in 1934 by his family doctor Camille Savoire. Monti died in 1936.

What's Alpha Galates got to do with it?

jb1717 · **Joined:** 15 Oct 2006 3:58 am **Posts:** 2935

What's wrong Paul, are you mentally defective? You appear to be unable to refute any of my points, or Roscoes, so you are reduced to repetitive insults. As a debater, you are pathetic. If you can't provide credible replies to numerous questions, it means you lose the debate. You're not fooling anyone with your insults instead of answers strategy, except yourself of course.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Plantard was a liar and a conman.
Everything he claimed about Monti, Savoire, etc were blatant lies.

Paul Smith

Evidence please?

Anyone can insult a dead man, it's a cowards trick.

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

jb1717 · **Joined:** 15 Oct 2006 3:58 am **Posts:** 2935

Is that froth at the corners of your mouth, Paul? Did you skip the valium again?

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

jb1717 · **Joined:** 15 Oct 2006 3:58 am **Posts:** 2935

What about the other members of The Order that investigated the origins of the PoS and reported the true facts in Vaincre #3, 1989? Are we to believe that EVERYBODY involved in Vaincre were conmen? Some of them are probably still alive. Do you want to risk a slander suit?

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

The most interesting account relating to Bérenger Saunière came from a Monsieur Espeut, relating to his activities of the 1920s:

"...I would like to state that the Abbé Saunière never found any treasure. You see, I was actually born in Espéraza. My family knew the Dénarnaud family. In 1925, when I was 14 years old, I used to go up regularly to Rennes-le-Château. I used to go and see Marie Dénarnaud. She was living in rather pitiable circumstances. I did my harmony lessons on the organs in the salon, which have now disappeared. In the library of the Tour Magdala, I read all the correspondence of the priest with his ecclesiastical lawyer at the time of his trial at the court of Rome. It was by collecting money for saying masses that the Abbé Saunière was able to construct his estate. He published small ads in the Catholic press throughout the world. I was able to read their texts, and I have seen thousands of replies".(Midi Libre, 13 February, 1973).

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Philippe de Cherisey first admitted to creating the "parchments" in 1967 following the publication of Gerard de Sede's "L'Or de Rennes" because the author was profitting financially from the creations of Pierre Plantard and Philippe de Cherisey without splitting the book royalties, the details have been known about for decades in France:
http://priory-of-sion.com/posd/pdchparchments.html

Here, Philippe de Cherisey admitted to Pierre Jarnac in 1979 to having forged the "parchments":

29 January 1974
P.S. Do you know that the famous manuscripts supposedly discovered by the Abbé Saunière were composed in 1965? And that I took responsibility for being the author?
Yours sincerely
Philippe de Chérisey.

The primary factor to the "parchments" is not the decoding/encoding technique but the composition of the "Berger Pas De Tentation" message and Philippe de Cherisey admitted to having created that message as well:

"Yes, I am the author of the message "BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION" quoted on pages 20-21 [cf, in Elizabeth Van Buren’s book, The Sign of the Dove]. My conclusions have been registrated at an attorney at law and by my novel "Circuit" deposited in the Bibliothèque Nationale".

So much for the lie and fantasy that "Philippe de Cherisey NEVER confessed publicly to writing the parchments" ---
jb1717 and "Roscoe" (Eric Michael Tull) believe in things that were created for the sole purpose of promoting Plantard fantasies and they believe in things that have never existed, that have only been photocopies of De Cherisey's pranks - they believe in things that they cannot see and cannot touch.

But it is more than apparent that jb1717 and "Roscoe" are mentally ill individuals.

Paul Smith

So how come Pierre Jarnac thinks that de Cherisey DIDN'T write the shepherdess parchment?

Here read this from his interview

What do you suppose this means?

Quote:

Pierre Jarnac: I always had with regard to these parchments a certain retreat. In my book, in 1985, I speak about it but do not reproduce them. I did not manage to convince myself that they were false. But still is necessary it to get along on their character apocryphal book. Philippe de Cherisey said and writes that he was the author But same information Jean-Luc Chaumeil had showed amply that it could not be the case. .Moreover, "Pierre and Papier" largely prove that Philippe de Cherisey tried to include/understand them. If he had been the author of these documents, why in particular would he have screened the analysis of each word of the message of the First Manuscript "Shepherdess not of temptation..."? Conceived on a corner of kitchen table, why then harness himself, for forty pages, to interpret a meaningless message

So your only evidence that de Cherisey is the author is from a researcher who thinks that de Cherisey wasn't the author. Explain please?

de Cherisey admitted that he was the author of the solution to the message BERGERE PAS DE TENTATION that is NOT the same as him admitting he composed the parchment.

Nice try but no banana.

SEE, I CAN DO IT TOO, ONLY MY POST REFERS TO THE TITLE OF THE THREAD

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

Did David Williams "run away" or did he give up trying to communicate with a mental incompetent?

Quoting Philippe de Cherisey from 1978:
Today visitors to RENNES-LE-CHATEAU are encouraged to admire, at the home of Monsieur BUTHION, the restaurateur who keeps the Hôtel de la Tour, two superb enlargements of photocopies of MY ENCIPHERED TEXTS!

Paul Smith

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Did David Williams "run away" or did he give up trying to communicate with a mental incompetent?

He gave up because his argument had been blown away. Where's his website Smith?

Quoting Philippe de Cherisey from 1978:
Today visitors to RENNES-LE-CHATEAU are encouraged to admire, at the home of Monsieur BUTHION, the restaurateur who keeps the Hôtel de la Tour, two superb enlargements of photocopies of MY ENCIPHERED TEXTS!

Paul Smith[/quote]

Yes well we all know that he and Plantard wanted to discredit De Sede, common knowledge.

Why has he only got photocopies of the TEXT THAT HAD BEEN ENCIPHERED?

PaulSmith · **Joined:** 09 Jan 2007 8:01 am **Posts:** 320

Tull can't even understand the simplest of statements.

Quoting Philippe de Cherisey from 1978:
Today visitors to RENNES-LE-CHATEAU are encouraged to admire, at the home of Monsieur BUTHION, the restaurateur who keeps the Hôtel de la Tour, two superb enlargements of photocopies of MY ENCIPHERED TEXTS!

roscoe · **Joined:** 02 Dec 2006 3:44 pm **Posts:** 6956

PaulSmith wrote:

Tull can't even understand the simplest of statements.

Quoting Philippe de Cherisey from 1978:
Today visitors to RENNES-LE-CHATEAU are encouraged to admire, at the home of Monsieur BUTHION, the restaurateur who keeps the Hôtel de la Tour, two superb enlargements of photocopies of MY ENCIPHERED TEXTS!

Today visitors to RENNES-LE-CHATEAU are encouraged to admire, at the home of Monsieur BUTHION, the restaurateur who keeps the Hôtel de la Tour, two superb enlargements of photocopies of MY ENCIPHERED TEXTS!

Paul Smith[/quote]

Yes well we all know that he and Plantard wanted to discredit De Sede, common knowledge.

Why has he only got photocopies of the TEXT THAT HAD BEEN ENCIPHERED?

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