"Real" RLC stones

Sheila · **Posted:** 18 Dec 2011 9:01 am

the Pierre Delmas says 18 54....not 51

fmh999 · **Posted:** 26 Dec 2011 3:05 pm

Caelum wrote:

fmh999 wrote:

One of the Delmas calvaires in RLB. Totally "strange" composition and place.

This reminds me of our previous 1851 vs. 1861 discussion about the Bezu calvaire, but I think this one is 1851 - the question is what jubilee is it - in checking, I read that there was no Catholic Jubilee year in 1850 (as there should have been) because of the revolutionary unrest in Italy, but then I found a contradictory document:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/encyc/p9exulta.htm

which implies that there was. The mention of Delmas is interesting because obviously this date is long after his time and what exactly is that before his name? It looks like PR, or DR (on a side note, I read in Wiki that there is a tradition of the town doctors in RLB acting as the local historians, as you can see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rennes_les_Bains).

I also ran across this from Annoisin Chatelans:

It says PRE as for PIERRE DELMAS. PIERRE as for PETER or for STONE - the DELMAS STONE.

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fmh999 · **Posted:** 02 Jan 2012 9:01 pm

Nearby a rock that gets compared quite a lot with the one on the left side on the haut-relief in the RLC church.

Next time I will try to change the perspective of the picture to see whether there is a fit with the haut-relief or not.

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lovuian · **Posted:** 03 Jan 2012 5:27 am

Awesome pictures FMH!!!

fmh999 · **Posted:** 10 Jan 2012 7:21 pm

Anyone remember the Bezu calvaire/cross we lately discussed in Richard's thread?

22 MI 1861.

By solving this inscription one will arrive at the point shown on the picture below: a twin calvaire/stone cross that is not mentioned on any map or any webpage.

By examining this cross or better said marker, one will notice that it has the same inscription as the one we started from....22 MI 1861. And by combining the 2 twin calvaires and by using againg the 22 MI 1861 one will arrive at the third marker.

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RenaissanceMan · **Posted:** 10 Jan 2012 11:47 pm

Hey that sure is a nice lump of concrete fmh. Is there a reason why you couldn't show us the inscription?

Maybe the chalk washed off :wink:

fmh999 · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 7:33 am

The stone is extremely weathered. This due to its orientation. Nevertheless one still can see the fragments of the inscription by having a close look at the picture.

richard.webster · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 9:09 am

fmh999 wrote:

The stone is extremely weathered. This due to its orientation. Nevertheless one still can see the fragments of the inscription by having a close look at the picture.

I can just barely make out parts of the "1861", though not the "22 MI" that sits above this on the stone at Le Bezu, so one would have to take this on faith. If, as you say below, this calvaire or marker, does not appear on an IGN map, and is not referred to in other texts, then I presume it was a close inspection of the stone itself that led you to the conclusion that the inscriptions on the two stones are the same. One might also wonder if the calvaire above also bears the INRI inscription on the cross part, as per the one at Bezu.

fmh999 wrote:

Anyone remember the Bezu calvaire/cross we lately discussed in Richard's thread?

22 MI 1861.

By solving this inscription one will arrive at the point shown on the picture below: a twin calvaire/stone cross that is not mentioned on any map or any webpage.

By examining this cross or better said marker, one will notice that it has the same inscription as the one we started from....22 MI 1861. And by combining the 2 twin calvaires and by using againg the 22 MI 1861 one will arrive at the third marker.

Obviously, you don't want to say where this second stone is, but can I ask, please, did you find it by solving the clue in the Bezu inscription, or did you find it by some other means, and then subsequently make the connection back to Bezu? If there is a third marker, then one might have a triangle-shape enclosing a particular area. The alignments of the Bezu stone are interesting, even without the location of the second stone to work from.

Looking back at the Bezu thread, and your contention that the "M" is not really an "M", it does seem on one of the close-ups that the M is formed by two shapes, a bit like two inverted ticks, or inverted square root signs, that cross each other that their ends. That's as far as I got with that.

I'm still looking at the landscape aspects, and the idea of these and other stones being connected in their placement; of something encoded in stone and scattered about the landscape; so this is all interesting, if a little bit frustrating at times. Your posts are the principal reason I stay here, btw.

I'm not saying there's a specific connection, but thinking of these stones makes me think of this passage from the Necronomicon, quoted by Michel Lamy in his book on Jules Verne.

Quote:

To construct the porch through which will manifest those who come from the void, you must erect stones in certain configurations. First you will place the four cardinal stones that will define the direction of the four winds that blow according to the season. Toward the north, place the stone of the great chills that will be the gate of the winter wind, and you will carve there the emblem of the bull, sign of earth ..... These stones will be the gate by which you will invoke those who are outside the time and space of men. Pray on these stones at night when the light of the moon grows weak, turning your face in the direction from which they will come, by uttering the words and making the gestures that will bring the Old Ones and allow them once again to walk the Earth.

richard.webster · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 9:50 am

Just a further quick thought to add to what I wrote above, FMH, but on the Bezu calvaire thread you made a point of noting that the calvaire, and its inscription, do not face onto the adjacent path, as one might typically expect, but face instead down the path, on the approach to Le Bezu from the north. So the inscription faces north.

So when you say, with regard to the other calvaire and inscription, location unknown, that ...

fmh999 wrote:

The stone is extremely weathered. This due to its orientation.

... then one might presume that this stone faces south or south-west, in the direction of the prevailing wind ...

... so one might also presume that these two inscriptions face each other, perhaps?

fmh999 · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 10:38 am

It is not easy at all to see the inscription, true. See picture below where you can find the spots with the fragments of the 22 and the MI. Any yes, also INRJ (with J, not I) as on the Bezu one. Then: same shape, same size, but different orientation than the Bezu one. Will hopefully send something tonight concerning the orientation of it.

These markers are only a little part of a much wider puzzle put by Boudet. The starting point of all is RLC. Then, at one point he leads one to the Bezu calvaire that has to be solved to be able to detect the next markers - one of them shown on the picture.

But finding only some of the markers is sadly not the solution - one has to see and solve the whole construction placed by Boudet that has been built up on 3 different but nevertheless connected parts (to avoid that someone may locate the final destination without having solved all 3 parts). These stone crosses / calvaires play an important role in the 2nd part of the composition.

We are working on the part 3 for the time being. Only at the end we will see whether we were right or not. Time will tell. So everything is still a theory, of course.

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fmh999 · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 10:42 am

..one thing I forgot, Richard: for the Bezu calvaire, check once the Cassini and etat major maps and you will see that it has been placed right at the "source".

fmh999 · **Posted:** 11 Jan 2012 7:26 pm

Nearby a pic taken to determine the alignment of this twin cross. We measured it first with a stand alone compass as done on the Bezu but sadly have no picture taken. So only thing to be shown is the pic we have taken from the GPS. Please note that we could not place the GPS device correctly on the stone. The stand alone compass indicated a perfect east-west alignment, in the meaning of that the inscription is facing fully westwards down the hill or mountain.

So to recap: the Bezu one is perfectly aligned on a north-south axe and this one on a perfect east-west axe. This shows already a bit the meaning behind. These markers are supporting parts of the main construct put and help to solve the part II.

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lovuian · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2012 1:13 am

So the Four directions
like the angels at Rennes

fmh999 · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2012 1:13 pm

Yes.

Meanwhile I think that the angels with the demon have two meanings or better said give two information to the phrase

PAR CE SIGNE TU LE VAINCRAS

- once the 4 angels (compass rose) - they help to solve the riddle
- but also the BS helps to solve it

So it should be more PAR CES SIGNES (plural) TU LE VAINCRAS.

lovuian · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2012 4:10 pm

oh FMH very interesting
So are we talking about the Roseline

Did You ever read that I found a compass like structure at Rosslyn Chapel?

You see it from the outside up at the roof

so I can see the importance of the four markers and four angels and the compass

With these signs you will vanquish him
It is the circle or the square or both
at Rosslyn they circled the square which a compass does

Caelum · **Posted:** 12 Jan 2012 10:29 pm

richard.webster wrote:

I'm not saying there's a specific connection, but thinking of these stones makes me think of this passage from the Necronomicon, quoted by Michel Lamy in his book on Jules Verne.

Quote:

To construct the porch through which will manifest those who come from the void, you must erect stones in certain configurations. First you will place the four cardinal stones that will define the direction of the four winds that blow according to the season. Toward the north, place the stone of the great chills that will be the gate of the winter wind, and you will carve there the emblem of the bull, sign of earth ..... These stones will be the gate by which you will invoke those who are outside the time and space of men. Pray on these stones at night when the light of the moon grows weak, turning your face in the direction from which they will come, by uttering the words and making the gestures that will bring the Old Ones and allow them once again to walk the Earth.

I just got that Lamy book for Christmas finally, so I'll take a look, but are you aware that the "Necronomicon" isn't in fact a real book?

richard.webster · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 12:15 am

Caelum wrote:

I just got that Lamy book for Christmas finally, so I'll take a look, but are you aware that the "Necronomicon" isn't in fact a real book?

Yes, indeed, HP Lovecraft, but I like the quote, think it's good writing; some powerful ideas and images, like outside of time and space, the four winds, old ones walking the earth, constructing a porch (portal). It resonates a bit for me, in this context, with its talk of stones arranged in certain configurations. But mainly I just like the way it's written, and the imagery, wouldn't want to make too much of it.

I hope you enjoy the Lamy book. I thought it was very good; it covers a lot of ground, and is full of interesting material.

rain · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 7:45 am

Caelum wrote:

richard.webster wrote:

I'm not saying there's a specific connection, but thinking of these stones makes me think of this passage from the Necronomicon, quoted by Michel Lamy in his book on Jules Verne.

Quote:

To construct the porch through which will manifest those who come from the void, you must erect stones in certain configurations. First you will place the four cardinal stones that will define the direction of the four winds that blow according to the season. Toward the north, place the stone of the great chills that will be the gate of the winter wind, and you will carve there the emblem of the bull, sign of earth ..... These stones will be the gate by which you will invoke those who are outside the time and space of men. Pray on these stones at night when the light of the moon grows weak, turning your face in the direction from which they will come, by uttering the words and making the gestures that will bring the Old Ones and allow them once again to walk the Earth.

I just got that Lamy book for Christmas finally, so I'll take a look, but are you aware that the "Necronomicon" isn't in fact a real book?

It's based on a real book - a grimoire. Sorry I can't remember but it's close to the real name. Like a code book for making up cypher's. I have a book about H.P. & the Necronomicon and if you read it well you can see this is about the Eastern Europeans.(if you look back Seeker1 had an interest in it)

rain · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 7:51 am

richard.webster wrote:

Caelum wrote:

I just got that Lamy book for Christmas finally, so I'll take a look, but are you aware that the "Necronomicon" isn't in fact a real book?

Yes, indeed, HP Lovecraft, but I like the quote, think it's good writing; some powerful ideas and images, like outside of time and space, the four winds, old ones walking the earth, constructing a porch (portal). It resonates a bit for me, in this context, with its talk of stones arranged in certain configurations. But mainly I just like the way it's written, and the imagery, wouldn't want to make too much of it.

I hope you enjoy the Lamy book. I thought it was very good; it covers a lot of ground, and is full of interesting material.

I love the Lamy book, truly love it. Every time you mention it, I want to read it again. :lol:

In fact I might make up a plastic box for emergencies so if I need to rescue one set of books, it'll be in that box.

Sheila · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 10:35 am

"Et l’on ne voit guère pourquoi les crossés languedociens ne se tiendraient pas mi-chemin entre ces tas de pierres au long des routes où le passant jetait son caillou et les calvaires qui se dressent à la croisée des chemins."
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" Un prêtre, parce qu’il est soucieux du Ciel et de la Terre, se doit de méditer sur les rapports de l’astronomie avec la géographie "…....

fmh999 · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 2:02 pm

Weather / climate may for sure be a "killer" for engravings on stones (see RLC church, entrance outside). Lichens may be another one as we can see on the pic showing the GPS compass on the stone cross.

Nearby an interesting link to lichens:

http://www.sharnoffphotos.com/lichensNH ... ology.html

rain · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 3:18 pm

Sheila wrote:

"Et l’on ne voit guère pourquoi les crossés languedociens ne se tiendraient pas mi-chemin entre ces tas de pierres au long des routes où le passant jetait son caillou et les calvaires qui se dressent à la croisée des chemins."
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" Un prêtre, parce qu’il est soucieux du Ciel et de la Terre, se doit de méditer sur les rapports de l’astronomie avec la géographie "…....

Et Voila - we have arrived.

http://www.amazon.com/Necronomicon-Simon/dp/0380751925

Quote:

In the past 31 years, there has been a lot of ink—actual and virtual—spilled on the subject of the Necronomicon. Some have derided it as a clumsy hoax; others have praised it as a powerful grimoire. As the decades have passed, more information has come to light both on the book's origins and discovery, and on the information contained within its pages. The Necronomicon has been found to contain formula for spiritual trans-formation, consistent with some of the most ancient mystical processes in the world, processes that were not public knowledge when the book was first published, processes that involve communion with the stars.

In spite of all the controversy, the first edition sold out before it was published. And it has never been out of print since then. This year, the original designer of the 1977 edition and the original editor have joined forces to present a new, deluxe hardcover edition of the most feared, most reviled, and most desired occult book on the planet.

The Necronomicon was also written by "simon" and frequented "bookshops" :- anything sound familiar?

Quote:

Simon is a student of magic, occultism, and religion since the mid-1960s and the editor of the Necronomicon, Simon was a frequent lecturer for the famed Warlock Shop in Brooklyn and the Magickal Childe Bookstore in Manhattan for more than ten years before his sudden disappearance in 1984, speaking on topics as diverse as religion and politics, occultism and fascism, ceremonial magic, demonolatry, the Tarot, the Qabala, and Asian occult systems. He also conducted private classes for the New York City OTO during this period, with a focus on Enochian magic, "Owandering bishops," and Afro-Caribbean occult beliefs. An ordained priest of an Eastern Orthodox church, Simon has appeared on television and radio discussing such topics as exorcism, satanism, and Nazism. The media events he organized in the 1970s and 1980s -- with rock bands, ritual performances, and celebrity appearances -- helped to promote the "occult renaissance" in New York City. After decades of study in European, Asian, and Latin American cult centers, this book marks his first public appearance in more than twenty years.

Quote:

I just got that Lamy book for Christmas finally, so I'll take a look, but are you aware that the "Necronomicon" isn't in fact a real book?

So Caelum, are you aware of what book the "Necronomicon" really is?

fmh999 · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 6:13 pm

Not sure one needs "stars" to solve the enigma. Terrestrial geometry yes. The story and the hints are all earthbounded - well at least the ones we concentrate on. But if one will find the secret spot due to stars and terrestrial geometry: why not!

Sheila · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 6:15 pm

Sheila wrote:

"Et l’on ne voit guère pourquoi les crossés languedociens ne se tiendraient pas mi-chemin entre ces tas de pierres au long des routes où le passant jetait son caillou et les calvaires qui se dressent à la croisée des chemins."
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" Un prêtre, parce qu’il est soucieux du Ciel et de la Terre, se doit de méditer sur les rapports de l’astronomie avec la géographie "…....

Terrestrial geometry ...taken from the Merdien.

fmh999 · **Posted:** 13 Jan 2012 6:24 pm

Taken from one source mainly. Basing on stuff like this:

http://rlcpiedevigne.onlc.fr/91-Le-glyp ... illan.html

Pure earthbounded geometry.

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