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You see look. This thread is about Rennes le Chateau stones and was once successful now the thread destroyers move in and it goes the same way as all the rest. Luckily I no longer consider this the number one forum on the internet.

Thanks for that Rain
It was a really interesting article and more or less confirmed what i previously read about Turrene although it does contradict the evidence about Henrys head

Thread destroyers thats good coming from you
Its only a couple of weeks since you screamed abuse about the Crista and stated that you would "make sure" that you would disrupt every thread where it was mentioned
who gives a shit whether YOU consider this the number one forum or not?
we are here because we want to be ........DEAL WITH IT

You just don't get it do you?

I object to the Crista taking over the entire forum. I object to NOBODY (That's NOBODY) ever giving on here any reference to it having ANY relevance whatsoever to Rennes le Chateau. So the situation is that we have what amounts to a private discussion completely swamping all other relevant discussions on here and it being displayed on the top section for no other reason than it being pure flag waving. A sort of : 'Look at my obsession everybody'.

I am here because once you could have a reasonable conversation on here. Those days are long gone but I have this sort of hope that the old days will return. This thread started off OK but the "MY EGO IS IN ARCADIA" fraternity couldn't stand being left out.

This is an open forum and as such any member can join in any conversation on any thread about any topic at any time unless told otherwise by the moderator.
You Rocky are NOT the moderator so in your own words DEAL WITH IT
Have a nice day.

[quote="tingra"]This is an open forum and as such any member can join in any conversation on any thread about any topic at any time unless told otherwise by the moderator.
You Rocky are NOT the moderator so in your own words DEAL WITH IT

And why do we have then different threads on this forum? But go on discussing any kind of french history on any thread here...and be more and more surprised that less and less people are posting and that the posts are less and less relevant to the RLC topic.

Would be "funny" to do this approach on any thread, right? Hmmmh, lets say we start a discussion on the catacombs in Paris as soon as people are discussing a thing related to the thread itself....big, big fun!!!!! Looking forward to it.

Other possibility: why don't you open a new thread called "french history" where you and Sheila and Roger can post 1000000000 posts a day between each other and I am sure that no one will do any kind of guerilla attack! Deal? So you can have your own "public-private playground" and do not have to deal with boring stuff like RLC stones.

I replied to a post with what I thought was an interesting idea that WAS relevant to RLC, that post continued into a conversation….thats how a forum works.
Are you suggesting that everytime someone replies to a post that might stray from the original thread that they should move it and open a new thread in a different section?
Even though it was just a brief aside and a reply about Poussin that someone else inserted into the conversation?
would you like me to delete my posts???

Be pro-active and post your view on ELF stones.

BTW its not just French history that is important in this enigma, the Priory of Sion is in your neck of the woods, you know the one I mean not far from the St Bernards pass? I mentioned it briefly in another thread lately but don’t worry I wont bore you with real history and the fact it was an important spiritual centre under the Merovingians, Carolingians, Burgundians, Savoyards and emperors of the Holy Roman Empire.
But of course you would know all about that eh

Your answer is here:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3415

Funny as usual.

I have to agree! Every thread will be destroyed by boring off topic stuff! I really thought someone would be interested in the things you really can find in RLC...
Americans-what else do I have to say

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Apparently not, in some peoples' estimation...

If you're all so bored with history and/or anything that can't stick to the bottom of your shoe while walking through the village of Rennes-le-Chateau, then why not find a forum that's better suited to your narrow interests? Apparently Roscoe has one on his website, and I'll wager it needs warm bodies.

TCP

P.S. Andy Gough, the guy that runs this site - ever heard of him? He's...you know...AMERICAN...!

And this has to do with Real Rennes le Chateau (RLC) Stones in what way precisely?

This happens to be the title of the thread. If you've nowt to say on the matter then Shut the F__k up.

I may go quiet for a while.

I'll wager that Roger and TCP will be at loggerheads within a week. If TCP was on this forum by himslf he'd argue with his own shadow.

That was hillarious, sent out of the room like a naughtly school girl.
my post has everything to do with the secret of RLC but unless you know the history of the area you will never understand that..... as your reply shows
Anyway i will leave you in peace with your rocks....HAPPY NEW YEAR and i hope it brings you everything you deserve

"history of the area" - fully with you!

"Cette histoire n'est point ecrite dans les livres; elle est gravee sur le sol" - H. Boudet

But of course for you and your friends Boudet is no reliabl source. Anyway! Follow whatever you want.

If only the slightest possibility existed that you might actually follow through on that, I'm sure most of us would be delighted beyond words.

TCP

I'm sure some people are perfectly satisfied with taking people like Boudet and Rahn at their word. Why, then, would anyone want to participate on a forum of people looking for deeper currents? If you feel you have all the answers, what is your next step? Heck, there's a book that was published nearly thirty years ago called Holy Blood, Holy Grail that has all the answers you're looking for. If that's all there is, shouldn't your "grail quest" be realized by now?

TCP

I was never on a "grail quest". My one and only interest in the RLC secret is the underground temple and what one may find there - still may find there.

Anyway, back to topic. Nearby one of my favourite pictures of RLC, taken by a very close friend of mine.



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I'll make you a deal - start a thread called "The Secret Underground Temple at RLC" and police it a vigilantly as you do other threads, and I'll stay off of it.

TCP

I would like to know the forums ideas on something. The "Horse of God" referred to in the parchment ( I don't wan't this to start into a debate about the parchments authenticity ), should have some meaning, either allegorical or material.
Do people think that it refers to a specific area of the locality, as shown in photos by fmh999 ?
Is it something to do with the horses painted by Eugène Delacroix in St Sulpice, as I have seen some authors propose ?
Could it relate to the prophecy of Zacharias ( The Bible, Zach 14:20 ), who said " that which is on the bridle of the horse shall be holy to the Lord ", the reason I mention this is because Helena had one of the Nails of the Crucifixion made into a bridle for Constantine's horse ?
Or is it something totally different ( more confectionery ) or even just a red herring ?
What are your thoughts people ?
Happy New Year
Nic

That's a tough one, Nic, considering that the letters in that particular parchment fragment are an anagram of Marie de Negre's tombstone. It stands to reason that one would be the coded message and the other the cipher to unlock it - but which is which? If we regard the parchment as the cipher then naturally it would reveal the tombstone; but flip those around and the parchment becomes another coded message that we are at pains to decipher. I suppose one could posit that the cheval de dieu refers to a location; but the same would have been true of Marie's tombstone (when it still stood). But which is more portable and which is stationary? If someone had one in hand and used it to locate the other, which makes more sense? To me, I'd say the parchment is the "map" and the tombstone is the "X" that marks the spot. Could it be the other way 'round? Of course, but to me it seems less likely.

What interests me more so is the notion that Saunière brought this parchment to Émile Hoffet to be deciphered. Hoffet was, of course, a noted paleographer; but that isn't the same thing as a cryptographer. He was also a correspondent for L'Univers, an ultra-Catholic, ultra-légitimiste (monarchist) newspaper, as well as Regnabit: Revue Universelle du Sacré-Cœur, which I'm sure we're all familiar with from delving into the Hiéron du Val d'Or. I can't see Hoffet having been able to "crack" the code, it's far too complex. It seems more apparent to me that Hoffet knew the keywords to the cipher and was able to unlock the jumbled letters and put them into readable phrases, which Saunière then took from there. How Saunière could have then figured out on his own to re-arrange the letters to fit a tombstone inscription also seems a bit far-fetched, but not if there was a previously established method of application for this particular cipher that Hoffet was already familiar with.

That probably doesn't help with your inquiry, I know, but please don't take my head off for being off-topic.

TCP

Not at all Tim, it may not be in the right topic, but thats my fault, and it's definitely RLC related. I agree with your views on BS and his ability to crack the code ( that is if the MdN tomb existed ? ). Just musing anyway.
Have a good NY
Regards
Nic

I've always found the information on Emile Hoffet to be contradictory. For instance the argument on his age. I also read somewhere that the reason his name was invoked was to point to the fact that he had access to confiscated rosicrucians files. If there was a link de sede makes it to include Emile Hoffet's Uncle, Abbé Bieil (who was the director of St Sulpice in 1892).
Because of discombobulation in the timeline, it would be my opinion that the traditional story did not occur.




To address your question - what I believe the "Horse of God" to be and what de cherisey and co. meant are to me, two different questions.

It could mean two things on different levels in that it could refer to both code and the layout of the temple which requires a knight's move(3 hoofs down one up) or the rule of four to move through both.

Grille cipher knight's move Vigenère cipher anagram.

On a different level the 'key' or knowledge of it could allow you to break both being that keys in ciphers are specifically made to create and hide the codes so as in Enigma they required and Enigma code machine to decode the encrypted messages. We know that it is a Vigenère cipher so from that we can speculate there is a table or disc used to break it somewhere along the line. This maybe what Sauniere was looking for, if indeed he was looking - so to put it simple I agree with TCP - they had the keywords and/or template in the first place or it is statiscally improbable they could have even worked out the sequence of encryption let alone break each individual code.

As for the biblical meaning of the Horse of God - I think the answer lies more outside the bible but within religion.