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Oh really? You tell me about it then.

Take your time.

Don't you just lurve this reasoned argument technique.

Wonderful

In a very short time they've both completely ran out of argument. In comes the insults which they think will work. It's pathetic.

You're out of your depth.



That statement left me gobsmacked.

That's what I've been saying all along. He/she doesn't but Mary has the Moon symbol around her head. It's a pagan (Druidic) scene.

THAT'S THE POINT FROM THE FIRST POST

Thanks for giving me another opportunity to reiterate this.

Jesus has the Sun sign around his head and Mary has the Moon sign around hers.



Nobody else including SAINT Lazarus or SAINT John the Beloved has a halo.



So Sauniere, the priest hasn't read the gospel of John then?

Yers!!!!




Thank you for quoting LUKE 10. I said Luke 7 old chum. Nice try, no banana. it seems you don't read the very passgaes YOU are quoting.

So where is she at the house of Simon the Leper? LUKE 7



Judas was there it said so. So let me see if I have this straight. In your world none of the disciples had travelled with Jesus but Judas had.

OK got you. Nurse!



Oh and by the way John is not a name, it is a title which means God Given. This title could also apply to a woman of course.

To anyone else reading this. It should be noted that Tim doesn't want to talk about the gospel of John because it blows his entire argument apart.

You are so right about that

I was thinking Jesus was anointed head and toe
He was baptized from head and toe
with water from her tears
Its about SIn and forgiveness
He now has moved to the high level of Forgiver of Sins
But now this looks like a ritual used by followers of John the Baptist
Mary Magdalene was a follower of John


Look at this
http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back_to_basics/john_baptist/cave.html

The cave was discovered to have 28 steps leading to the cave bottom; on the right hand side of the cave, a niche was found in the wall that is generally found in Jewish ritual baths and that is used to place clothes prior to immersion. Near the end of the stairs, an oval stone with a foot-shaped indentation was located; above this, a soap-like niche that is believed to have held ritual oil that flowed through a small channel and over the believer’s foot.

Also uncovered during the five years of excavation led by Gibson were some 250,000 shards from small jugs that were apparently used during purification rituals.

The cave is believed to have been carved by the Israelites during the Iron Age, sometime between 800 BCE and 500 BCE. It is believed to have been used from the start as a ritual immersion pool, which preceded the Jewish tradition of the ritual bath.

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=31&art_id=qw1092654904786B216

http://hope-of-israel.org/shekina2.htm

how appropriate for a stained glass maker Feur to show the Primeval Light
by stained glass



so by uniting the Queen Moon and the King Sun we get the first Day





the stars are on the tablecloth

http://hope-of-israel.org/shekina2.htm

The Shekinah is the Liberating Angel who delivers the world in all ages, who is ever near to man and never separated from the just.

Zoharic doctrine that Shekinah suffered with mankind, but it is put much more explicitly when it is said: "Therefore the man was driven out and the Mother was driven out with him".

I think this is the enactment of Shekinah asking for forgiveness from the fall of the Garden of Eden

You should check which Gospels contain which accounts before you make a complete ass of yourself.



You can reiterate whatever you like as often as you like. You know less about Druids that you know about the Gospels - if it's possible to know less than zero.



I have no reason to believe that he wouldn't have read the Gospel of John at some point; however, he would not have found the story illustrated in the second window (taken from Luke 10) to which you wrongly, incorrectly, mistakenly, and falsely attributed it (because, predictably, you always hit "send" before you check your faulty assertions).



Immaterial, and don't try to change the subject simply because you're humiliated yet again. The topic at hand was the second window showing Mary and Martha with Jesus, which you wrongly, incorrectly, mistakenly, and falsely attributed to the Gospel of John (because you didn't check your source again); I simply pointed out the fact that, once again, like clockwork, you were flat-out wrong.



LOL! Got me on what? Every line in the quote immediately above was written by YOU! Not one word of that psychotic diatribe comes from me! You're now arguing with yourself?



You are the one who can't tell the obvious differences between Luke's narrative and John's. Clearly you fail to comprehend either one. Perhaps you're too busy looking for Wiccan Druids to pay proper attention.

TCP

My time would be better spent teaching my dog to write love poems in Farsi. And with better results.

TCP

Ancient Mystery schools of Egypt

anointing the King

The act of giving the ankh to the king or pharaoh is also depicted, in two different ways. First, it is shown in the introductory baptism or purification ritual of the king, where he receives a type of washing and anointing by the gods pouring the life-giving water over him, represented by ankh symbols. Hugh Nibley explains:

But water does more than purify—it gives life, literally, to all organisms; the water of life is a worldwide concept. “The ramifications of the subject are enormous,” Gardiner observes. There is no mistaking the meaning of the little ankh (life) symbols which pour from the sacred vases in Egyptian baptismal scenes such as in the temple of Ramses II at Karnak, which shows the king being baptized with ankh and was (divine power) symbols as he enters the temple and which bears the inscription, “Water for his father, that life might be given to him.”[3]

http://www.templestudy.com/2008/06/22/t ... th-part-2/







The Anointing Oil represents the essence of Life

The Cult of Isis
Now this is like out of the page of that play book
We have Judas who gets upset at the loss of money

The Gospel of John more closely follows the Gospels of Matthew and Mark but instead of "the apostles" or the generic "those present" the gospel of John identifies a single, indignant apostle, Judas Iscariot. John 12:4-6 reads, " But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it."


Now lets go to the scene of Osiris Set and ISIS
Osiris married his sister Isis Set chose Nephthys
Pharaohs often married their sisters
His brother(Set) became jealous of his brother assisted by evil spirits a chest was constructed at a dinner Set asks Osiris to climb in this beautiful
chest. Osiris is trapped and thrown into the Nile ...Isis finds it but before she gets to it Set steals it and cuts it up in fourteen pieces

In front of Temples on the 4 month of Inundation on the 22nd daythe Priestess with their hair flowing and woolen scarves
Chant the Praises of Osiris (from the Burden of Isis by james teackle dennis.

http://www.vincentsapone.com/writings/judas.html

http://www.templestudy.com/2008/06/22/the-egyptian-ankh-life-health-strength-part-2/

The second way the ankh is given to the Egyptian royalty was by the god or goddess holding the symbol to their mouth or nose.

So in this sense, the god or goddess is bestowing or endowing the king, queen, or pharaoh with eternal life, or breath of life, by touching the ankh to their nose or lips.

Sometimes the ankh is placed on the forehead, between the eyes, and then it symbolizes the duty of the adept to keep secret the mystery into which he has been initiated – it is the key which locks these secrets away from the uninitiated. Blessed by the supreme vision, endowed with clairvoyance to pierce the veil of the beyond, he cannot attempt to reveal the mystery without losing it for ever.[2]

i don't know but there is a mark between one of those guys foreheads
was he adept

You mean like the Gospel of JOHN for example?



Oh cracking rebuttal Grommet. Anything else?



It's in the plain text of the shepherdess parchment old boy. JOHN 12.



Don't try and change the subject?
Wha hahahahahahahahhaha!!!!
Hello pan meet kettle.

Please if I may direct to the first posting of this thread



But YOU mentioned Martha in LUKE 10. Who's talking about LUKE 10?



I am not in the slightest bit interested in what it says in LUKE. It's YOU who wont discuss what it says in JOHN because it completely blows your argument away.

You're out of your depth old boy. Give it up.

MODERATOR!!!!!!!

Oh heavens, I'm lost here....I can't keep track of who's saying what...are you two sure you're not actually agreeing with each other...please say yes and do stop squabbling.

Par for the course I'm afraid. When they can't argue against something they swamp the thread with obfuscation and pedantry so everyone else gets bored and loses interest. It's an old technique these people use.

Understandable, Sheila, as our friend here has the most annoying habit of jumping from one topic to another when he's cornered and can't bring himself to own up to it.

He'd brought up another stained glass window in the RLC church showing Mary and Martha with Jesus, and asserted that it portrayed a scene from the Gospel of John. I pointed out that he's wrong, that scene doesn't appear anywhere in John, it appears only in Luke 10. So now he's hopping around like a barefoot boy on hot coals because he just can't bring himself to admit that he's made a fool of himself yet again. Deliberate obfuscation seems to be the only way he can duck out of a bad situation, hence he's ping-ponging between Luke 10, Luke 7, and a non-existant narrative in John (which, understandably, he refuses to identify) in order to cover his tracks. Standard operating procedure for our friend Roscoe, and it makes him crazy when he's called on it.

TCP

The Opposites are everywhere
I'm going to show them
First off the sky is dark
The floor is filled with light yellow
The Sun and the moon
male and female
Large container with handle on the table
small jar with no handle on the floor
White Larger table cloth with tilted many stars
Short dark table cloth with upright stars
Lighter green on the left and darker green on the right
The hands on the left raised pointing up Hers pointing down
There are two who have hats Two who have no beards

Two have have circled colors
The three triangles above squares below

The marriage of opposites The Chemistry of positive and negative

Ying /yang and the circle surrounds it

I'm totally impressed with Feur's work this is very powerful
Philosopher's Stone is the harmonizing of this duality.

You even have the androgenous man sitting next to JESUS just like DaVinici's LAST SUPPER

If you flip those triangles over they could represent the three pyramids of Giza

BzzzzzzzTTTTT!!!! BS Alarm Warning warning BS Alarm

The title of this thread is

Mary anoints the feet of Jesus.

Well bless me in this window shown below we have a woman anointing the feet of Jesus.



Then we have this in JOHN 12

John 12
1Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?

6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.

7Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.

8For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

9Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead.

10But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death;

11Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.

Oh look everyone it's Mary anointing the feet of Jesus. And mentioned in John.

This just happens to be the plain text of the Shepherdess parchment.

Well isn't that a coincidence boys and girls?

But if he should so wish we could go back and talk about the very first posting of this thread and cease talking about Luke which I never mentioned.

Sheila the guy's struggling and is so stubborn he doesn't know when he's beaten and he's even trying to lie now.

Of course you never mentioned the scene in Luke, because for you to acknowledge the fact that the window portrays Luke's version of the story rather than John's would undermine your theory. Your ire is directed at me because I pointed out that the window accurately reflects Luke's account rather than John's.

So, if this is John's account, where are the other eight disciples? And why no haloes for these saints?

And as for the other window (which YOU brought up) illustrating Mary and Martha with Jesus - the "Mary hath chosen the good part" dialogue - just provide the chapter and verse in John where this story appears. You're quite insistent it comes from John's gospel, so it should be an easy task, right?



Roscoe, it's very simple. Come up with a rational explanation as to why eight disciples are missing from the depiction in the window, and why the four pictured lack haloes; and provide the chapter and verse in John where the "Mary hath chosen..." story appears. Real simple. Something other than "it's a Druid ceremony", please.

TCP

Wallace Murphy talked about Da Vinci's heresy of
the Androgynous MAN/woman in his interview with Andrew

In Feur's stained glass

there next to Jesus
the Mixture of feminine and male

Da Vinci had him/her in the Last Supper sitting next to Jesus

In this circle is a Supper too
balance of "anima and animus"

Unlike/like Da Vinci's Last Supper there is no cup(Holy Grail) on the table but there is a container with a handle on it
there is a container above and below

The lid on the top container pointed has a point to it (phallus) and the container below is round (ova)

is the HOLY GRAILS being revealed here the marriage of Sun and Moon

again its the merging or marriage of opposites

There are two here without beards one above and one below

This is a reference to John the one who has no beard
its pretty obvious

Its the touching of his foot and her hand ...thats pretty intimate but add the kiss and it is even more

Why does the window exclusively portray Luke's version?





I'm beginning to realise that the gift of intellect has passed you by.



Because he couln't get all twelve into the window scene. They lack halos because it is a pagan scene. You can tell by the difference in the halos of Jesus and Mary. So who's the distinctive Red Head tilted his/her head towards Jesus?

Now you come up with a rational explanation as to why Luke says there is ONE Pharisee and explain why we have four.

Now it isn't just the lack of halos it's the TYPE of halos.







Now I know you'd dearly love it to but THIS isn't going to go away:

JOHN 12

1Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him.

3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment.

SAINT LAZARUS is SAT AT THE TABLE. No halo.

Song of Solomon 1 (King James Version)

1The song of songs, which is Solomon's.

2Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine.

3Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee.

4Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chambers: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee.

5I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

6Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.

7Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thy flock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?

8If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.

9I have compared thee, O my love, to a company of horses in Pharaoh's chariots.

10Thy cheeks are comely with rows of jewels, thy neck with chains of gold.

11We will make thee borders of gold with studs of silver.

12While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof.

13A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

14My beloved is unto me as a cluster of camphire in the vineyards of Engedi.

15Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes.

16Behold, thou art fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed is green.

17The beams of our house are cedar, and our rafters of fir.

12While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof. 13A bundle of myrrh is my well-beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts.

OoooErrrr!!!!

Hi Renne,

Fabulous painting (at the end of the third page of this thread.) I'm afraid that I don't recognize it. Who is the artist?

Best,

Paul

at the V on his forehead above pointing upwards

She has the upside down V showing in her hands pointing downwards

now that's opposites

V by the way is The letter V is the 22nd letter of the Latin alphabet.

Yes its the 22nd letter

Venus and Virgo
Victory
VIRGIN but also VIRULITY
Number Five (pentagram) V in Latin numbers
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Its the power of symbolism

see the V's both directions

It’s interesting to note that in the Tarot, V is the Hierophant, the Magus of the Gods. He takes on the essence of Venus and Mercury; the hermaphrodite. Knight and Lomas, in their work, “The Book of Hiram”, equate the union of Venus and Mercury with the Shekinah; a Hebrew form of the goddess.


http://thefreemanperspective.blogspot.com/2006/09/and-vs-have-it.html

if the guy with the V on his head is PETER the POPE



and if you merge the V's one upright and the other down
you get the Freemason compass



Similar symbols

The Pope is above and She is below

The French monarchy first adopted the fleur-de-lis as a baptismal symbol of purity on the conversion of the Frankish King Clovis I to the Christian religion in 493. To further enhance its mystique, a legend eventually sprang up that a vial of oil descended from heaven to anoint and sanctify Clovis as King. The thus "anointed" Kings of France later maintained that their authority was directly from God, without the mediation of either the Emperor or the Pope.

The stained glass shows the Anointing of the king
and a perfume jar is found in the box Hammott found

Through this connection to Clovis, the fleur-de-lis symbolised the Merovingian dynasty and then became a symbol of the entire Christian Frankish Kingdoms.

http://www.chaosangel.com/17feb/traditions.html

I found the cutest story about a war which started by a guy kissing a woman's toes your going to LOVE it

Let me tell it OK
Girart de Vienne (ca. 1190-1217)
Girart de Vienne

[Preface: The Three Cycles]

This work is a chanson de geste written by Bertrand de Bar-Sur-Aube around 1190-1217. In its preface, Bertrand divides the French chasons de geste into three cycles



Girart(or Gerard)*Gérard de Vienne[F] was born the son of Garin de Monglane, and had three brothers, Hernaut de Beaulande*Hernaud de Beaulande [OFr.], Milon de Pouille*Milon de Pouille [OFr.](perhaps Roland's father?), and Renier de Geanne*Renier de Gennes[OFr.].
The main plotline of the tale revolves around the dispute between Girart and the Duchess of Burgundy. The duchess had been betrothed to Girart, but she is wedded instead to Charlemagne. Girart is invested with the fiefdom of Vienne as recompense. But unable to contain the anger from the breach of her plight, Girart bombards her with verbal abuse. The duchess, bearing a grudge, avows she'll have her revenge. On her wedding night, she tricks Girart into kissing her toes instead of the sovereign's. Then years later, she tauntingly relates the occcurrence to Girart's son. This affrontery leads to war. King Charles lays a siege on Vienne, and Girart is aided by his brother Renier and Renier's son Oliver. A truce is called, and it is agreed that the matter be settled by single combat fought by their respective champions. The duel between Roland and Oliver takes place on an island on the Rhône, River. The spectacular battle is finally interrupted by an angel who counsels that these two paragons of knighthood should love one another, and their fury should be turned against the pagans. Charlemagne accepts Girart's homage, then declared new war on the pagans, calling on knights all over France to battle.


The moral of the story is don't underestimate feet kissing


http://www.home.ix.netcom.com/~kyamazak/myth/roland/roland-items-e.htm

I have to say the Song of Roland is absolutely darling I'm so in love with him. He's giving Guillaume de Sonnac a run for his money