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 Post subject: Leonardo`s Adoration and the RLC Bloodline
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2009 2:49 am 
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Who is seated beneath the tree behind the Madonna? It is Christ as a grown man sitting next to Mary Magdalene who is making the sign of the womb with her hands. Jesus points upwards at the tree which symbolizes his own continuing Tree of lLfe. He is the the living Tree of Jesse whose bloodline will continue on into the future.
Note the Templars on horseback in the background and the Templar masons in the left of the painting who are constructing a building. This painting contains everyone from Virgil to Dante and it displays the mystery of Christ`s own bloodline which will continue into the future. Leonardo painted this as a young man, he knew the mystery at that time.- (Copyrighted material - MJA/Renne).

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 Post subject: Renne have you heard the latest scandal on this painting
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2009 4:56 am 
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http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article718584.ece

On the trail of the lost Leonardo
Forget the Da Vinci Code. Dr Seracini thinks he's cracked art's biggest mystery

The two men had an intense dislike for one another. The person signing Leonardo’s contract was Niccolò Machiavelli, Secretary of the Republic, whose name now stands for political cunning.

When both artists hung up their cartoons — large scale drawings showing the intended scenes — Michelangelo's composition focused on a group of nude soldiers bathing while Leonardo’s centred on a furious battle between horsemen in which the sheer beauty of the horses takes centre stage.

In so doing, he was faithfully following the instruction given to him by his patron to represent a key moment in the Battle of Anghiari, the fierce Fight for the Standard, that witnesses recall as its turning point. Giorgio Vasari’s breathless description of Leonardo’s painting gives a sense of its power: “It would be impossible to express the inventiveness of Leonardo’s design for the soldiers’ uniforms, which he sketched in all their variety, or the crests of the helmets and other ornaments, not to mention the incredible skill he demonstrated in the shape and features of the horses, which Leonardo, better than any other master, created with their boldness, muscles and graceful beauty.”

The great scheme, however, was overtaken by events. In March 1505 Michelangelo left for Rome to work on the tomb of the great art patron Pope Julius II, never to finish the Battle of Cascina. Perhaps sensing that this was now his moment, Leonardo began painting his Battle later that year. Right from the start, however, disaster dogged his efforts.


Dr Seracini explains, “and that he used wax in the paint presumably to create certain effects, but it could also have been that wax was used to seal the plaster underneath the paintings and that this liquidised. But it’s also the case that he was given very cheap materials to work with. We have a list of all his ingredients. I’d like to do a mock up and test what happens.”

When the Republic fell with the return of the Medici, it was Vasari who was commissioned in 1563 to redesign the chamber and to create six murals celebrating Medici military victories to obliterate those commissioned by the Republic. In the process, Dr Seracini believes, Vasari covered up the Battle rather than destroy it out of recognition of its outstanding qualities. “He’d done this before when he altered Sta Maria Novella [a Florentine church] and protected the Holy Trinity by Masaccio from destruction.” As if confirming his hunch, he’s discovered a small inscription written on a flag at the top of one of Vasari’s murals with the words cerca trova — “seek and ye shall find”.


n his studio the other side of the River Arno, Dr Seracini shows me image after image of the Vasari mural under which he thinks the Battle still lies and Leonardo’s iconic Adoration of the Magi, held by the Uffizi gallery. His approach — unique in the art world — is to combine X-ray, X-ray fluoroscopy, adapted ultrasound, thermography and other non-invasive investigative processes to explore the structure of walls, paintings, ceilings and gaps — to ascertain whether the Battle really does lie beneath. X-rays, for example, reveal the presence of pencil lead.

Dr Seracini has already caused considerable upset at the Uffizi by demonstrating through analysis of paint layers that most of the Adoration isn’t by Leonardo. His remarkable photographs have revealed similarities between Leonardo’s hitherto invisible under-drawing, in which a fierce battle between horsemen is evident, and the composition of the same scene from the Battle. Using the same processes to examine the Vasari mural, Dr Seracini has found a 1½ in gap behind it. Could the Battle lie underneath and be undamaged? “Why not?”

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 Post subject: what is a hand sign of a womb?
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2009 12:22 pm 
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Is it to open the space 'tween tips of index fingers + tips of thumbs, when they touch, so that a large hole effect is created?

This is vaginal, not uterine. A uterus is more like a clenched fist that slowly expands when conception is going on. A penis never gets thru a cervix no matter how much force is use. If anything, this gesture is used derogatorily in most cultures to describe a ho' who uses it to earn her keep.

It is not a sacred gesture, far from it. If a woman uses it, it certainly is not to flatter the woman who its oriented to. A vagina is a collapsed potential space in its resting state when virginal. With multiple deliveries the walls loose some tightness and the tube-cavity takes on a slack tension.

I did over a 1,000 pelvics in my medical days and inserting a speculum using just sterile water for a lubricant is all that is necessary to enable a backwards tilted cervix to be positioned in the middle of the canal for visualization when doing a PAP smear.

When doing a bi-manual exam on a reclining woman, the top of the uterus, the fundus is a bit over the top of the bladder, in an exam the position is elicited in this manner. A secondary manner is to sweep the backside of a uterus thru the anal sphincter. A uterus is never an open hole configuration.

In some weird circles folks do rather unpleasant things to women and use a balled fist to open a vaginal tube. All it accomplishes is to stretch it un-naturally. If this deviant behavior is what Leonardo is alluding to it tells me he was one sick arsle.

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You know Seracini had his life threatened and was under extremem pressure to stop his work

seems art historians didn't like what he was working on

in the background in the Adoration of the Magi
up in the upper right hand corner is the horses battling from Da Vinci's original Battle

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 Post subject: and...?
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2009 9:12 pm 
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I still don't know what ya mean by a hand womb sign, please be so kind and expound on it. Ya made mention of it as if its universally understood.

Is the seated figure going thru the motions of masturbating that tree? Am I to assume Leonardo depicted that tree as rising out from her crotch?

What other deviant behavior can we expect to find here?

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 Post subject: Mona Lisa
PostPosted: 25 Jul 2009 11:28 pm 
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The Mona Lisa - Who is this? Are those the Pyranees in the background?

"The Adoration" - woman under the tree - looks like she`s praying but her hands are somewhat open - that is a universal sign.

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 Post subject: Leonardo`s Last Supper
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This is where it all began. The figure in question is wearing pink.

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The Mona Lisa - Who is this?


Lisa Gherardini, the wife of Francesco del Giocondo.

"In 2005, an expert at the University Library of Heidelberg discovered a margin note in the library's collection that established with certainty the traditional view that the sitter was Lisa."


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 Post subject: Re: Leonardo`s Last Supper
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This is where it all began. The figure in question is wearing pink.


And here is what it looked like before centuries of bad restoration and cleaning ruined Leonardo's original:

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The Giampietrino copy, ca. 1515, Magdalen College, Oxford.

Compare this to the only other known contemporary copy at the Abbey of Tongerlo:

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The color scheme in these two copies produced by Leonardo's students either simultaneously or shortly after the work on the original was completed show Leonardo's original palette, which is quite different from the softer pastel Baroque colors applied over the original work during Mazza's 1770 restoration that obliterated most of Leonardo's work.

Notice as well that the "enigmas" fueling speculation today are not evident in these true likenesses of Leonardo's masterpiece (i.e. the mysterious "floating grail", a full compliment of utensils and dinner ware on the table, the requisite number of hands and two visible feet for all parties protrayed, the table cloth knotted on both sides).

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 Post subject: Leonardo
PostPosted: 30 Jul 2009 1:30 am 
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Beautiful colors, thank you.

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 Post subject: Poussin
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A Poussin Last Supper, to whom is Christ gesturing?

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 Post subject: Leonardo
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Elephant by Leonardo found with infared in the Adoration of the Magi. Were there elephants in that other battle at Anghiari, or is this a Templar elephant?

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 Post subject: Re: Leonardo`s Last Supper
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Notice as well that the "enigmas" fueling speculation today are not evident in these true likenesses of Leonardo's masterpiece


Do I hear the scratch of an HB as the sceptics tick the YES column?

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 Post subject: Renne yes the elephant
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Dr Seracini believes, Vasari covered up the Battle rather than destroy it out of recognition of its outstanding qualities. “He’d done this before when he altered Sta Maria Novella [a Florentine church] and protected the Holy Trinity by Masaccio from destruction.” As if confirming his hunch, he’s discovered a small inscription written on a flag at the top of one of Vasari’s murals with the words cerca trova — “seek and ye shall find”.


See and ye shall find

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 Post subject: Poussin
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One of Poussin`s Last Supper paintings. Note the figure at Christ`s right hand.

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