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Thank you so much Richard that was Fascinating

What a connection to the Egyptians
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Author Gary David has pointed out that the Hopi word for “track” is kuku’at and that the word for “grandfather” is the near homophone kwa’at. He wonders whether the suffix -can is a variant of “ka”, part of the word kachina, the Hopi spirits, of which Masau’u was one. Either way, the pilgrim’s route would thus be known either as “Spirits of the Track” or “Spirits of the grandfathers” and brings to mind the dead-straight leylines of Western Europe, which the research of Paul Devereux has been able to show are spirit tracks too – paths allegedly chosen and flown both by the spirits of the ancestors, and the shamans trying to contact the Otherworld


Well here's something to ponder on.

The Aborigine have straight line paths and they call them Dragon lines. They were put there during the "Dream Time".

When an Aborigine goes WALKABOUT they go down these lines here and always wait at where THREE PATHWAYS MEET.

The Chinese have straight lines and they call them Lung Mei.

Meaning Dragon Line.

The St Michael Ley Line, the longest Ley line in Britain, is also called The Dragon Line.

However it has yet another name and that is the Beltane Line. The reciprical of this is the Samhain line.

On Beltane one celebrates life, on Samhain one celebrates the dead souls.


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the leylines ...is this like the Rose Line


No a rose line is something different.

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 Post subject: And here is the Red and White the Dragons of Merlin
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Wivere derives from the old Gaulish Wouivre, meaning spirit, and this became Vouivre in certain parts of France, where the dragon became depicted as half-woman, half winged snake - a fitting symbol of the goddess' energy which snakes the land.
How beautiful it is that like Celtic knotwork both language and symbolic animals interweave to show us the relationship between ourselves and the land - between the dragon in our own body and the dragons of the earth. Inner and Outer, Self and Other, dance together as do the words Nwyvre and Wyvern - the Druid kundalini and the fire-breathing dragon - the kundalini of the earth goddess.
The purpose of both dragons, inner and outer, is the same. They convey the creative fire, the fertilising breath that brings life and abundance - both to the individual and to the land. For all sorts of reasons beyond our understanding, these dragons have been allowed to sleep. But in the old days they were awake - and it was the old sage, the Druid or Druidess, who knew how to direct and utilise this inner and outer fire, to creative ends. The quest for personal fertility - of ideas, of children, of song and music - and of earthly fertility in abundant crops - were united in the ancients, and need to be united by us again as we try to extricate ourselves from the wasteland we have created within and around us.
And it is in the two colours of white and red that we find the clue to this fertility we need to rediscover: for white and red symbolise male and female, sperm and blood, moon and sun. Still to this day in somewhere as far away as Bulgaria, an old territory of the Celts, everyone will be seen wearing small pom-poms of white and red in March, in conscious recognition of the coming Spring, and in unconscious recognition of the Spring Equinox on March 22nd and of the need to unite the two principles to create an abundant life.


its so beautiful when you think about it white and red the symbol for male and female

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Say what you like about Ley Lines but someone has to explain this for me.

The Aborigine have Ley lines and they call them Dragon Lines.

The Chinese have Ley lines and they call them Lung Mei meaning Dragon lines.

The St Michael Ley line is also known as the Dragon line and indeed does have some churches along it dedicated to St George and of course

St Michael

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Here's an example of how these Dragon Lines are marked:

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A Rose Line is not a Ley Line. However the Boulevard St Michel in Paris is a Ley Line.

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 Post subject: Re: And here is the Red and White the Dragons of Merlin
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Wivere derives from the old Gaulish Wouivre, meaning spirit, and this became Vouivre in certain parts of France, where the dragon became depicted as half-woman, half winged snake - a fitting symbol of the goddess' energy which snakes the land.
How beautiful it is that like Celtic knotwork both language and symbolic animals interweave to show us the relationship between ourselves and the land - between the dragon in our own body and the dragons of the earth. Inner and Outer, Self and Other, dance together as do the words Nwyvre and Wyvern - the Druid kundalini and the fire-breathing dragon - the kundalini of the earth goddess.
The purpose of both dragons, inner and outer, is the same. They convey the creative fire, the fertilising breath that brings life and abundance - both to the individual and to the land. For all sorts of reasons beyond our understanding, these dragons have been allowed to sleep. But in the old days they were awake - and it was the old sage, the Druid or Druidess, who knew how to direct and utilise this inner and outer fire, to creative ends. The quest for personal fertility - of ideas, of children, of song and music - and of earthly fertility in abundant crops - were united in the ancients, and need to be united by us again as we try to extricate ourselves from the wasteland we have created within and around us.
And it is in the two colours of white and red that we find the clue to this fertility we need to rediscover: for white and red symbolise male and female, sperm and blood, moon and sun.

its so beautiful when you think about it white and red the symbol for male and female

http://druidry.org/obod/theorder/pcg-druidway.html

its the Druid way


Yes but what you missed was that Dagobert II was murdered in the Foret des Woivres in 679.

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Still to this day in somewhere as far away as Bulgaria, an old territory of the Celts, everyone will be seen wearing small pom-poms of white and red in March, in conscious recognition of the coming Spring, and in unconscious recognition of the Spring Equinox on March 22nd and of the need to unite the two principles to create an abundant life.


Yep!

Hence the ceremony on the Belvedere at the death of Sauniere.

Bulgaria?

As in Bulgars

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 Post subject: Get out of here!!!
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it was a ceremony for Saunierre WHOAH

Oh and there is that 22


Sacred places located all over the world are generally located over various Earth energies. These electromagnetic fields of energy emanating from the Earth have the capability to improve the well-being of people as well as the Earth as a whole. One of our goals is to identify the presence of all kinds of Earth energies and work in harmony with the Earth Spirit to improve the flow of these energies.

I see Michael carries the shield of the Red cross on white

and a crop circle :D
The Sorbonne — the University of Paris' humanities department — is also close, if you want to make a detour, though entry is not allowed for visitors. (Turn left on boulevard St. Michel and walk two blocks south. Gaze at the dome from the place de la Sorbonne courtyard.) Originally founded as a theological school, the Sorbonne began attracting more students and famous professors — such as St. Thomas Aquinas and Peter Abélard —

You know who is buried at Sorbonne ...Richeliu I think and its also close ot the University of Paris ....Richeliu knew Poissin :D

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it was a ceremony for Saunierre WHOAH

Oh and there is that 22


Sacred places located all over the world are generally located over various Earth energies. These electromagnetic fields of energy emanating from the Earth have the capability to improve the well-being of people as well as the Earth as a whole. One of our goals is to identify the presence of all kinds of Earth energies and work in harmony with the Earth Spirit to improve the flow of these energies.

I see Michael carries the shield of the Red cross on white

and a crop circle :D
The Sorbonne — the University of Paris' humanities department — is also close, if you want to make a detour, though entry is not allowed for visitors. (Turn left on boulevard St. Michel and walk two blocks south. Gaze at the dome from the place de la Sorbonne courtyard.) Originally founded as a theological school, the Sorbonne began attracting more students and famous professors — such as St. Thomas Aquinas and Peter Abélard —

You know who is buried at Sorbonne ...Richeliu I think and its also close ot the University of Paris ....Richeliu knew Poissin :D


Say hello to the Axe Historique in Paris.

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 Post subject: this is what
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Feng Shui is all about

and look how many people are starting to believe in that

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 Post subject: thats one powerful LINE
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that Line has a Arch Obelisk and a Pyramid

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 Post subject: Re: thats one powerful LINE
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that Line has a Arch Obelisk and a Pyramid

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Well here's something else for you.

You of course remember this written by the Abbe Fouquet to his brother Nicolas Fouquet:

“He [Poussin] and I discussed certain things, which I shall with ease be able to explain to you in detail - things which will give you, through Monsieur Poussin, advantages which even kings would have great pains to draw from him, and which, according to him, it is possible that nobody else will ever discover in the centuries to come. And what is more, these are things so difficult to discover that nothing now on this earth can prove of better fortune nor be their equal.”

Well the man who designed the Place d'Etoile in the middle of the Axe Historique on which the Arc de Triomphe is placed, was in the garden of Nicolas Fouquet designing it when Fouquet was arrested by the Kings men.

Christopher Wren learned all he knew from this man.

Speculation mode on

Are these things that are "difficult to discover" and will not be "discovered in the centuries to come" the properties of Ley Lines?

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Ah yes... "l'Axe de Venus"... hoary old tale. Even Mitterrand, with all of his prodigious cheek, gave up on reviving that one.


And that means what exactly?

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You're the one who brought it up and you don't know what it means?
Cor!

I've wandered into the nursery again.


Straight in there.

Roger's rule:

When cornered by an awkward question, attack the messenger instead of the message.

This is why I have no respect for you. I see right through you.

I didn't bring up the Axe of Venus or Mitterand YOU DID.

Explain what you meant.

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The "axe de Venus" is the name given, in the much picked over legend concerning the very "line" you posted. I'd have thought you knew all about it. You've never cornered me, Roscoe, although you might actually think so. I simply back off when I see that you don't know what I'm talking about. I remember only too vividly my one serious and sincere attempt at educating you and the resulting invective, and I'm not about to repeat the exercise. Others will know what I'm referring to, and that's good enough for me.


Yep Thought you would:

Crikey I'm now starting to predict your every move.

No no no no no no no

THAT WASN'T THE QUESTION I ASKED.

The question was

And that means what exactly?

What difference does Mitterand make to what I was saying.

You may fool some on here but not me.

Nice try

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Why does Venus rotate backwards from the other planets? :D

If you were to look down at the plane of the solar system from its 'north pole' you would see the planets orbiting the Sun counter clockwise, and rotating on their axis counterclockwise. Except for Venus. Venus would be rotating clockwise as it orbited the Sun counterclockwise. Venus is not alone. The axis of Uranus is inclined so far towards the plane of the solar system that it almost rolls on its side as it orbits the Sun.

The axis of the Earth makes a 26,000 year wobble with an amplitude of tens of degrees. This is all due to the influence of the Moon's tidal attraction of the Earth. In the case of Venus, however, the gentle gravitational forces it may receive over billions of years to place it in a 3:2 resonance with the Earth don't seem to be strong enough to tip the entire planet over to make its rotation retrograde.


The facts for Venus point towards a collision event to put its axis and rotation in the retrograde sense. The tidal action of the Earth on Venus, acting steadily over billions of years, then established the 3:2 spin-orbit resonance. Every 2 earth years, the exact same portion of the Venerian ( Cytherian) surface faces Earth. Could there be some sub- surface concentration of mass on this portion of Venus that the Earth can grab onto to create the tidal lock?

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q50.html


Venus is known as the Earth's "twin" because the two planets are so similar in size. The diameter of Venus is about 7,520 miles (12,100 kilometers), approximately 400 miles (644 kilometers) smaller than that of the Earth. No other planet comes nearer to the Earth than Venus.

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the pyramid of the Louvre

just shows the whole idea of placing a pyramid to access this Earth power grid

and other countries and cities followed Paris example

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One cannot accomplish what has already been accomplished by nature.

I was referring to Mitterrand's original monumental plans to further scar Paris, in line with and across this so-called "axe de Venus" (which he attempted to use as "historic justification" to "complete a great work"), but happily he was forcefully limited to marring the "perspective du Louvre" with those grotesquely incongruous pyramids.

I suppose you'll next take us on a ride along the Champ de Mars line?


YeeeeeeeSSSSSS!!!!????

And, for the third time of asking, this has something to do with what I was saying how exactly?

Or to put it another way does your emotional knee jerk outburst actually have a point? Or is this yet more of the same?

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Why does Venus rotate backwards from the other planets? :D

If you were to look down at the plane of the solar system from its 'north pole' you would see the planets orbiting the Sun counter clockwise, and rotating on their axis counterclockwise. Except for Venus. Venus would be rotating clockwise as it orbited the Sun counterclockwise. Venus is not alone. The axis of Uranus is inclined so far towards the plane of the solar system that it almost rolls on its side as it orbits the Sun.

The axis of the Earth makes a 26,000 year wobble with an amplitude of tens of degrees. This is all due to the influence of the Moon's tidal attraction of the Earth. In the case of Venus, however, the gentle gravitational forces it may receive over billions of years to place it in a 3:2 resonance with the Earth don't seem to be strong enough to tip the entire planet over to make its rotation retrograde.


The facts for Venus point towards a collision event to put its axis and rotation in the retrograde sense. The tidal action of the Earth on Venus, acting steadily over billions of years, then established the 3:2 spin-orbit resonance. Every 2 earth years, the exact same portion of the Venerian ( Cytherian) surface faces Earth. Could there be some sub- surface concentration of mass on this portion of Venus that the Earth can grab onto to create the tidal lock?

http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q50.html


Venus is known as the Earth's "twin" because the two planets are so similar in size. The diameter of Venus is about 7,520 miles (12,100 kilometers), approximately 400 miles (644 kilometers) smaller than that of the Earth. No other planet comes nearer to the Earth than Venus.


Did you check out the starmap view from Montsegur at dawn on 14th March 1244?

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the pyramid of the Louvre

just shows the whole idea of placing a pyramid to access this Earth power grid

and other countries and cities followed Paris example


There was a move to make The City of London resemble the Tree of Life.

At one end of the tree (next to the Temple Church and DVBs Dragon) stands St Dunstans in the West at the other end stands St Dunstans in the east.

St Dunstan was the Bishop of Glastonbury and was appointed by St Edmunds. St Edmunds is (unsurprisingly) buried at Bury St Edmunds which is on the St Michael Ley Line as of course is St Michael's Tor at Glastonbury

But hey it's all coincidence :wink: :wink: :wink:

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The planet next to the sun is Venus.

It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?

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The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?


The only problem, Roscoe, is that this star map is for 13 March 1244. The Cathars were massacred three days later on 16 March.

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Of course one is probably aware of this. Maybe not.

Depiction of the sun's rays through the slits at Montsegur on the summer solstice.

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The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?


The only problem, Roscoe, is that this star map is for 13 March 1244. The Cathars were massacred three days later on 16 March.

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OK and so Venus would have skipped to the other side of the sky in three days. Is this what you're saying?

16th March IS the spring equinox. From that map it can be seen that Venus would not be seen due to the glare of the Sun. However three days after this you would see it rise just before the Sun.

Why is it you people never read what is in front of them and then come on and make a prat of themselves.

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Heres what they saw and Rennes is in the middle right ?

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Heres what they saw and Rennes is in the middle right ?


That is correct the bump directly underneath the sun is Rennes le Chateau. However the picture was taken from Soularac (Occitan: Solar Rock). 5 miles from Montsegur but joined by the Trac des Grailles

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