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Truer words were never spoken - er, written.

TCP

Crackpots and geniuses


Wise women talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. (Plato)
ok I put my own twist on it

When a true genius appears in this world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. (Jonathan Swift)

You know if you want to talk about a Woman who can handle a serpent




"I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel."Genesis

then in Revelations we get the winged serpent (the dragon)
"And a great portent appeared in heaven, a Woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars; she was with child and she cried out in her pangs of birth, in anguish for delivery. . . . . [S]he brought forth a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne… Then the dragon was angry with the Woman, and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and bear testimony to Jesus" (Rev. 12:1–2, 5, 17).

Beginning and End

Yes, but you should really lay off the strychnine! Next you'll start writing in tongues.

TCP

I don't know anybody more loved than the Wylie coyote


The serpent on the Tree of Life

I find it interesting that the original topic of Vikings + serpents somehow got side tracked when folk with? inside knowlege? knew the moderator was taking a prolonged cat nap. It must be a British thing with springtime and all that palaver.

My question for roscoe. I find it interesting that nothing the Vikings did was a home grown original. The OT tells of Jacob cursing Dan as being a serpent and yet Dan gets a secondary role of judging his fella tribes folk.

The Danes + Jutes who attacked UK isles were the same folk as Tuathae Danae kicked out of Ireland. The druids who accompanied these Tribe of Dan set up shop all over Scandinavia. The spread of the serpent styled runes date from this period according to Scandinavian archeologers.

Old Norse that went to Iceland is loaded with thís tradition moreso than what ya find in Scandinavia today. The neo-pagan heathens get inspiration from olde Teutonic folk lore as well as olde Icelandic. So now the follow up query is how much olde Hebraic paganism that dates back to worship of gold calf, etc is found in all of this serpent loving, tree hugging heathenry?

Swedish language texts on the subject give brief mention to an ancient tradition that followed along with the waves of migration in to Scandinavia but most are not that detailed.

The language that came in has been traced back, but not specific cultural inputs like daily paganistic worship directly traceable to Babylon, Assyria, etc despite the gnostic krowd saying there's tons of this cultural input to be found, but not here.

When ya read the translated chants, spells etc of modern day pagans, none of it is actually that olde. They make ref to Odin and that stuff, but never to how Odin got it to give to the Scandinavians, if ya follow this line of thought.

Scholars know it all came from outside of Scandinavia but to be able to follow a particular tradition like putting runes into a serpent shape has never been very well traced back. Its all a matter of comparing similar occurrences in the Far East and the ergo factor comes in to play with it must have come from there.

I posted how a rabbi sez the modern gnostic take is based on the Talmud-Cabala tradition which puts a whole different viewpoint on the table. This points directly at Diaspora traditions handed down since the day Tribe of Dan was sent into Diaspora before any of the other tribes were scattered.

Viking women were an independent lot and legally considered equal to men. They could choose their husbands, sue for divorce and exercise rights to inheritance and “blood money” guaranteed by the Gragas, an Icelandic book of laws. The women even participated in the Althing, the world’s oldest parliament. Often, while their husbands were at sea, they would run the households and businesses. Many wives also made the difficult voyage with their husbands to help colonize new lands.

Given Viking women’s powerful position in society, it’s no surprise that Viking mythology features strong women: The women of Viking legends were fierce, vengeful military aggressors. The earliest mythological Viking characters were the Valkyries, heavily armed shield-maidens whose primary duty was to choose the bravest warriors slain in battle and lead them safely to their afterlife in Valhalla. Souls unlucky enough to be deemed unworthy by the Valkyries would be taken to the goddess Hel and doomed to an eternity in the underworld.


Even Irish tales recount how, in the ninth century, Ireland was terrorized by Ingean Ruadh (also known as Red Maiden), who also participated in battles against Denmark and Iceland.

early 1950s, the remains of eight women were discovered in Sweden, buried in boat graves with swords at their sides.

Thank you for the links to the Loch Ness Monster videos!

Never mind about snide remarks.

Have answered those questions yet, you fake?

Has anyone on this forum ever discussed the megalithic Celtic ruins in Massachusetts? I know that much has been written about the runes found in North America.

Rennes:

Do you mean the ruins in New Hampshire (the so-called "America's Stonehenge")? If so, I have been there and it is highly intruiging. I have not done any research into it, but I can say there is definitely a seasonal solar alignment of standing stones there, whoever might have built it.

Not familiar with any such thing in Massachusetts.

Jeff
www.thebrotherofjesus.com

That some more Hail Mary's for you today.

Oh I forgot, lying isn't a sin in the Catholic Church.

In 911, the French king, Charles the Simple, was able to make an agreement with the Viking warleader Hrolf Ganger, later called Rollo. Charles gave Hrolf the title of duke, and granted him and his followers possession of Normandy. In return, Hrolf swore fealty to Charles, converted to Christianity, and undertook to defend the northern region of France against the incursions of other Viking groups.

The results were, in a historical sense, rather ironic: several generations later, the Norman descendants of these Viking settlers not only thereafter identified themselves as French, but carried the French language, and their variant of the French culture into England in 1066, after the Norman Conquest, and became the ruling aristocracy of Anglo-Saxon England. These Norman Viking descendants, although converting to Christianity, maintained their warlike nature, and eventually adopted chivalry, which joined learning to fight on horseback (like their Moorish enemies in Spain) with becoming knights or "holy warriors" of the Cross. One of their pass-times was jousting, or tournaments of armored knights fighting with lances (the Celtic "lancia") on horse-back.

http://www.crystalinks.com/vikings.html

Ragnarok is the final battle, equivalent to Judgment day in the battle of good and evil, when balance is restored and a new creation begins.

Thor

His greatest enemy is Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent.

At the day of Ragnarok, Thor will kill this serpent but will die from its poison. His sons will inherit his hammer after his death.

Donar is his Teutonic equivalent, while the Romans see in him their god Jupiter.

Thursday is named after him.

and one more
Early Sumerian and Akkadian artifacts show pictures of a tree or pole which is called the "axis mundi ", or the world axis. It is intended to be the center and support of the world. Guarding this tree or pole is a snake or pair of intertwined snakes. We can see here the beginnings of the association between the snake and the rod which we will see later in the Bible and the caduceus. Also, in Sumer, we have a cylindrical seal which has on it the mythical date palm with its two fruits, life and enlightenment. This tree is copied again in the book Genesis in the Jewish scripture. This tree is guarded by a serpent. Again, this is duplicated in the Bible.

In these early Sumerian/Akkadian myths we meet Etana, the chosen king, later a demi-god, who must find the tree which stands at the center of the earth. This tree is the home of an eagle, who has devoured the young of the serpent who guards the tree. The serpent appeals to the Father god, Shamash, for justice, and Shamash shows the tree how to help the serpent capture the eagle. There exists an early Akkadian seal [ca. 2350BCE] showing the serpent in human form enthroned with the caduceus emblem behind him and guarding him.

http://www.blackherbals.com/divine_serpent_in_myth_and_legen.htm

Yes, I meant New Hampshire, thank you. So you`ve been there Rev. Jeff. I`ve heard that if one sits inside one of the stone portals, scenes from the past can appear outside, Celtic warriors in full regalia, etc.

Well, that I cannot attest to, Rennes. Sorry!

Small piece of info for Roscoe:

Something I came across while reading about another subject entirely earlier today, and which brought to mind the picture of the Viking longship and the carved serpent on its prow above, re-posted by Roscoe in the "Hypnerotomachia Poliphili" thread, but which I've revived the "Viking Serpent" thread for, in order not to go "off-topic", upset people, etc.

Only a small little thing, but Roscoe might find it mildly interesting, given his line of research, if he doesn't know already.

King Henry II of England (reigned 1154 to 1189) came from the Angevin dynasty (from the county of Anjou), and the Angevins were reputed - by their opponents, and suchlike - to be descendants of Melusine, the daughter of Satan, in other words to have a demonic heritage. Henry and his Queen, Eleanor of Aquitaine had a ship they used when criss-crossing the channel between their English and French domains, something they did frequently.

The ship was called the "Esnecca". Means the snake.

Thought you might be interested.

Richard Webster said -...re-posted by Roscoe in the "Hypnerotomachia Poliphili" thread, but which I've revived the "Viking Serpent" thread for, in order not to go "off-topic", upset people, etc.

Thank you Richard for your most gentlemanly behaviour - look what happened to the lovely lovely Hypnerotomachia Poliphili thread - a separate one for the cave paintings etc should probably be started...

But there already is/was a Hypnerotomachia Poliphili thread that no one was interested in..it's not easy to keep on topic but it's better in my mind to go with the flow & it'll work it's way back round. Mind you less digressing american's wouldn't go amiss....but then you probably think likemindedly about French farmers.

Marie de Medici landing with the Black Maltese cross
and the serpent

Ruben likes to put a serpent with Medici

I stayed away from Hypnerotomachia Poliphili thread so that it could spin a myriad of lives without my help. I hope somebody can do something with it,

Richard had to come here, that should tell ya something, ya should have invited me in to the fray.