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PostPosted: 05 Apr 2009 5:12 am 
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The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?


The only problem, Roscoe, is that this star map is for 13 March 1244. The Cathars were massacred three days later on 16 March.

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OK and so Venus would have skipped to the other side of the sky in three days. Is this what you're saying?

16th March IS the spring equinox. From that map it can be seen that Venus would not be seen due to the glare of the Sun. However three days after this you would see it rise just before the Sun.

Why is it you people never read what is in front of them and then come on and make a prat of themselves.


False. The Vernal Equinox in 1244 was on 13 March. The Cathar massacre did not take place on the Vernal Equinox.

This is what you wrote, Roscoe:

The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

And you were wrong. Again. I guess that makes you the prat. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: I found this on a really good thread
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TCP wrote:
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The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?


The only problem, Roscoe, is that this star map is for 13 March 1244. The Cathars were massacred three days later on 16 March.

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OK and so Venus would have skipped to the other side of the sky in three days. Is this what you're saying?

16th March IS the spring equinox. From that map it can be seen that Venus would not be seen due to the glare of the Sun. However three days after this you would see it rise just before the Sun.

Why is it you people never read what is in front of them and then come on and make a prat of themselves.


False. The Vernal Equinox in 1244 was on 13 March. The Cathar massacre did not take place on the Vernal Equinox.

This is what you wrote, Roscoe:

The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

And you were wrong. Again. I guess that makes you the prat. :twisted:

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But erm! Venus DID rise with the Sun on the spring equinox and the Cathars DID march down into the fire.

I said NOTHING about the map.

Stop squirming, it shows.

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By the way I just thought I'd mention that this thread is getting almost 200 hits a day.


I'm afraid I have to take the blame for that... That's because I took the liberty of pointing it out to the Guinness Book folks as my nomination for a certain category.


Yes well many thanks for bumping it up to the top again.

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 Post subject: Jesus prophecy
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You serpents, offspring of vipers, how can you escape being sentenced to hell fire? Therefore take notice, I will send you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify; and some of whom you will flog in your synagogues, and persecute from town to town, that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has been shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I assure you, all these things shall come upon this race" Christ speaking to the so-called "Jews" who were of the sect of the Pharisees, which today is manifest as Judaism (Matt. 23:33-36).

"I know your affliction and your poverty, but you have heavenly riches, and I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan . . . Take note, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, but are impostors who lie, to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you" Christ speaking to His elect Church (Rev. 2:9; 3:9).

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 Post subject: Re: Jesus prophecy
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You serpents, offspring of vipers, how can you escape being sentenced to hell fire? Therefore take notice, I will send you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify; and some of whom you will flog in your synagogues, and persecute from town to town, that upon you may come all the righteous blood that has been shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. I assure you, all these things shall come upon this race" Christ speaking to the so-called "Jews" who were of the sect of the Pharisees, which today is manifest as Judaism (Matt. 23:33-36).

"I know your affliction and your poverty, but you have heavenly riches, and I know the blasphemy of them who say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan . . . Take note, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, but are impostors who lie, to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you" Christ speaking to His elect Church (Rev. 2:9; 3:9).


Lovuian, are you handling serpents and drinking strychnine again?

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 Post subject: Re: I found this on a really good thread
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roscoe wrote:
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The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

Coincidence right?


The only problem, Roscoe, is that this star map is for 13 March 1244. The Cathars were massacred three days later on 16 March.

TCP


OK and so Venus would have skipped to the other side of the sky in three days. Is this what you're saying?

16th March IS the spring equinox. From that map it can be seen that Venus would not be seen due to the glare of the Sun. However three days after this you would see it rise just before the Sun.

Why is it you people never read what is in front of them and then come on and make a prat of themselves.


False. The Vernal Equinox in 1244 was on 13 March. The Cathar massacre did not take place on the Vernal Equinox.

This is what you wrote, Roscoe:

The planet next to the sun is Venus. It rose with the sun on the spring equinox on the day the Cathars marched down from Montsegur into the fire singing. Something which only happens once every 12000 years. Is this why they asked for the truce?

And you were wrong. Again. I guess that makes you the prat. :twisted:

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But erm! Venus DID rise with the Sun on the spring equinox and the Cathars DID march down into the fire.


Yes - on different days!

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I said NOTHING about the map.


You didn't have to, the date is on the map - 13 March 1244. What you said was that this was the date the Cathars went to their deaths. And you were wrong, as you so frequently are.

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Stop squirming, it shows.


ROTFLMFAO!!!!

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 Post subject: just out there Roscoe
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To understand what 'standstill" means observationally, it will be easier to
use the Sun as an example. The sun rises furthest to the north at the summer
solistice, around June 21 each year. Following the summer solistice it will
begin to rise a little further south each day, rising due east at the fall
equinox around September 21, and reaching its southernmost rising point at
the winter solistice around December 21. After the winter solstice the sun
will begin rising further north each day, rising due east at the spring
equinox around March 21, and finally reaching its northernmost rising point
again around June 21. The slow sweep of the sun's rising azimuth across the
eastern horizon takes a full year, and practically repeats itself exactly
from year to year. The rising point changes very little from day to day when
it's rising near either the northern or southern extremes of its motion.

This phenomenon is known as the "standstill." For several days around either
solstice the sun's rising azimuth will hardly change at all. In contrast,
when the rising point is between the extremes, say around the equinoxes, the
rising azimuth changes quite a bit from day to day. This phenomenon of
"standstills" near the extremes applies to periodic motion of many kinds,
including the motions of the moon.

The rising point of the moon changes from day to day in a very analogous
way, marking out a sweep from north to south and back again, except that it
takes only one month to accomplish one complete cycle. The actual period of
this cycle is the "draconitic month" of 27.21222 days, on the average.

Unlike the sun, however, the extremes of the northernmost and southernmost
rising azimuths will not remain the same for each cycle. After noting the
northernmost rising point for the moon during one month, one may very well
find it rises at a point even further north the next month. In fact, there
is an 18.61-year variation in the extremes of the moon's rising point.


A major standstill limit will happen at the moment the moon is near a
quarter moon and the lunar node is near the vernal (or autumnal) point. The
moon is at his highest point in its orbit and combining this with lunar
phase, the sun is near equinox.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=djlr46nchhr8i7tguu4vrqsqt6&topic=2890&p=1

After reading some of this it may be just a theory but they believe lunarstandstills allow for hyperdimensions
thats interesting

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 Post subject: ROFL
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i'm working on Satan's synagogue
ROFL :lol:
I didn't know it was from revelations

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Roger wrote:
Soon, Tim, this will have been "a psychological test" and we'll be told he "never cared about the Cathars anyway", but just wanted to prove something. Perhaps that the Cathars weren't Benedictines, or something?


Ah yes, this was all intentional and we "fell for it" - the last resort of the shamed.

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 Post subject: Re: I found this on a really good thread
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roscoe wrote:
The planet next to the sun is Venus.

Wrong! As an astronomer I must protest. Eric, you may state as well: Hitler-country is the country next to Borneo.

BTW. OFF TOPIC:
Who can tell to an alien what ROFL and ROTFLMAO means?
I can only suppose ... as I already figured out SNAFU and STFU ... it might be of the same kind. Just curious. Thx.


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 Post subject: silly acronyms
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ROFL - Rolling on the floor laughing
ROFLMAO - as above appended with "my a** off" ...

So what is SNAFU? :?


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 Post subject: Re: silly acronyms
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ROFL - Rolling on the floor laughing
ROFLMAO - as above appended with "my a** off" ...

Thanx. That's fun.

SNAFU = situation normal, all fucked up (by Frank Zappa or R. A. Wilson, forgot)


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 Post subject: Re: I found this on a really good thread
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But erm! Venus DID rise with the Sun on the spring equinox and the Cathars DID march down into the fire.


Yes - on different days!

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I said NOTHING about the map.


You didn't have to, the date is on the map - 13 March 1244. What you said was that this was the date the Cathars went to their deaths. And you were wrong, as you so frequently are.

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Stop squirming, it shows.


ROTFLMFAO!!!!

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But Venus rose next to the sun on the day they went to their deaths, it hadn't moved much in three days. And equinox means equal night. For three days there is little detectable difference between daylight and night light.

So why are you being pedantic about three days over an event that only occurs once every 12000 years?

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 Post subject: Re: I found this on a really good thread
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Eginolf wrote:
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The planet next to the sun is Venus.

Wrong! As an astronomer I must protest. Eric, you may state as well: Hitler-country is the country next to Borneo.

BTW. OFF TOPIC:
Who can tell to an alien what ROFL and ROTFLMAO means?
I can only suppose ... as I already figured out SNAFU and STFU ... it might be of the same kind. Just curious. Thx.


Please stop lying for effect. Remember this can be confirmed. Unless of course you're another one who leaps in with both feet and doesn't read what the thread is all about.

WE ARE REFERING TO THE PICTURE - OK?

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TCP wrote:
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Soon, Tim, this will have been "a psychological test" and we'll be told he "never cared about the Cathars anyway", but just wanted to prove something. Perhaps that the Cathars weren't Benedictines, or something?


Ah yes, this was all intentional and we "fell for it" - the last resort of the shamed.

TCP


You know all this is quite interesting.

About a week ago I mentioned that on two occasions locals in the area of Peyrolles have noticed a hollow sound under the standing stone there. Actually we have three independant confirmations of this. I'm sorry but I'm one of those people who finds this both interesting and relevant.

But nobody has said a word on it. Now suddenly we get an openly ad hominem response having NOTHING to do with the subject of the thread.

Moderator please take note where the main culprits for the decline of this forum are.

Methinks this once great forum has gone the way of all forums. Time to pull the plug methinks.

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SNAFU = Situation Normal: All F%@$!D UP. It is closely related to FUBAR.
FUBAR = F%@$!D UP BEYOND ALL RECOGNITION

Both are terms familiar to U.S. military personnel and U.S. aviators (military or civilian.) The acronyms date back to World War II.

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 Post subject: Hey Roscoe
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on another thread we were talking about the four angels in Rennes
and I mentioned one of them may represent Uriel

the Flame of God the Archangel who guards the Tree of Life and the Gates of Eden

Now Uriel was banned from the Church doctrine
but John Harper was talking about his other name Auriel which is flame of the Altar

maybe the timing was PERFECT for the PERFECT ONES
that this would be the time for them to be purified and the best purification is by fire....

Its quite amazing that Louis IX failed in the Crusades and here the cathars still have a following after even the attempt to exterminate them

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About a week ago I mentioned that on two occasions locals in the area of Peyrolles have noticed a hollow sound under the standing stone there. Actually we have three independant confirmations of this. I'm sorry but I'm one of those people who finds this both interesting and relevant.

But nobody has said a word on it


No one said a word because it's a well-known fact that's been well-known and written about for yonks. What is there to say, other than we're surprised that this is exciting news to you? You get responses when you post stuff that ... well, look at the responses. Are you under the impression that "there is a conspiracy to attack you because you revealed a most important clue"???? If that's what you're saying... Mamma mia!


HORSEFEATHERS!!!!

Shall we take a vote on how many people have heard of this?

Like I said you may fool some on here but not me. I even think that you're starting to believe your own BS.

Still getting 200 - 250 hits a day Gungadin.

Come back when you're sober.

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Still getting 200 - 250 hits a day Gungadin.

Come back when you're sober.


Yeah, funny thing about that. See we all get these auto-generated e-mails telling us when something new has been posted, so people click over to see what's there. All those "hits" and still the thread is only on page 5. Maybe you shouldn't confuse knee-jerk reactions for genuine interest.

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Still getting 200 - 250 hits a day Gungadin.

Come back when you're sober.


Yeah, funny thing about that. See we all get these auto-generated e-mails telling us when something new has been posted, so people click over to see what's there. All those "hits" and still the thread is only on page 5. Maybe you shouldn't confuse knee-jerk reactions for genuine interest.

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Yes well that only happens on this thread. Funny that.

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pensez aussi à la tradition qui veux que lorsque qu'un cheval passe au galop à proximité de la pierre levée, le sol "sonne" creux.
ceci explique peut étre cela.


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le menhir de serres ( proximité de rennes les bains) vibre bien je trouve ... quelques écrits disent que le sol sonne creux à proximité sous les pas des chevaux .


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"la pierre levée des Pontils regarde aux greniers et aux caves du roi"


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Selon monsieur G. SICARD (1926) :
« Le sol résonne sous les pas à l’entour du monument et l’on prétend qu’une cavité ou excavation assez large existerait dans le sous-sol ».


Very dusty 1926 horsefeathers...


Congratulations you just reported what I reported.

So how many others on here knew about this? Which was the point in the first place.

But probably more to the point why isn't anyone discussing this now?

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Let's see, since these things were published in 1880, 1896, 1907, 1926, etc...
and also reprised by so many RLC authors, including most recently Rhedae Magazine, I'd guess hundreds of thousands?

Why isn't it discussed anymore?

Probably because it's forbidden to dig there, and the authorities haven't acquiesced to excavations since first called for in 1880 and since. So it's a moot point. It's only fodder for "wild-assed guesses" and spurious esoteric speculation, until excavated.


Ah, so you agree it isn't discussed anymore, including here it seems.

I mention it and nobody bothers discussing it on here because they've all heard it before. So we've discussed every aspect of this story on here including some wild theories about Sauniere finding some trinklet that we can't talk about. But we haven't in the three years I've been here discussed anything about this. A possible underground chamber has not come up in any discussion even during the discussion on Ben Hammott's body down a hole.

Face it. You're making this up.

I mentioned it and you went on a google search. You hadn't heard of it either, but since I mentioned the FACT that this thread is getting a higher rate of hits than anything you posted, you now have to try to destroy the thread.

Actually you probably are doing. In fact you and TCP are probably destroying the entire forum. Soon here will be as dead as IBJs forum.

Oh and by the way.

These "wild-assed guesses" are coming from the residents of Peyrolles (a village named after the stone), who live right next to the stone.

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I mentioned it and you went on a google search. You hadn't heard of it either, but since I mentioned the FACT that this thread is getting a higher rate of hits than anything you posted, you now have to try to destroy the thread.


Hmm...let's do a quick look-see here...

Threads started by Roger:

"Hoaxing and Disniformation" - 8,630 hits
"The Rise" - 11,198 hits
"What Berenger Found in RLC" - 9,484 hits

etc., etc.

Sorry, Roscoe, but you're not up for any awards yet.

You now, Roscoe, maybe people just aren't all that interested in Peyrolles. Maybe you shouldn't take it so personally if things that you find interesting or pertinent fail to ignite.

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Actually you probably are doing. In fact you and TCP are probably destroying the entire forum. Soon here will be as dead as IBJs forum.


Funny, people say the same thing about you!

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TCP wrote:
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I mentioned it and you went on a google search. You hadn't heard of it either, but since I mentioned the FACT that this thread is getting a higher rate of hits than anything you posted, you now have to try to destroy the thread.


Hmm...let's do a quick look-see here...

Threads started by Roger:

"Hoaxing and Disniformation" - 8,630 hits
"The Rise" - 11,198 hits
"What Berenger Found in RLC" - 9,484 hits

etc., etc.

Sorry, Roscoe, but you're not up for any awards yet.

You now, Roscoe, maybe people just aren't all that interested in Peyrolles. Maybe you shouldn't take it so personally if things that you find interesting or pertinent fail to ignite.

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Actually you probably are doing. In fact you and TCP are probably destroying the entire forum. Soon here will be as dead as IBJs forum.


Funny, people say the same thing about you!

TCP



Well this thread has been going for a mere 30 days and already it is up a quarter of those that have been going since christmas.

You see this is now interesting because you have switched the argument. My original point was that this thread has been getting a rate of hits that the likes of you can only dream about but since I pointed this out this thread has gone the way of every other other thread and it is entirely due to you and roger. It is clear to me that the reason this thread now gets your attention is the rabid jealousy that has now completely taken you over. But please carry on here because everyone is now getting an open demonstration of how you and Roger destroy any discussion not sanctioned by yourselves.

Please continue to dig

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