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 Post subject: 1502 Grail Star treasure map
PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 3:13 am 
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I looked at Google Earth and there is nothing resembling the Alberto Cantino Map depiction in Newfoundland or Labrador. Let's see how Mahone Bay Nova Scotia compares. They've obviously distorted it some, for purposes of secrecy of sensitive information, but clearly this is what is represented.

Sinclair need not have been involved. Portugal had their own explorers.

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Portuguese explorers Gaspar and Miguel Corte Real reach Newfoundland, Labrador and Nova Scotia (1499-1502) http://www.portugal-info.net/history/second-dynasty.htm


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PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 11:10 am 
Only Mr Ettinger can see this.
Nobody else.
It is therefore special only to himself and to himself alone.


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PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 12:23 pm 
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Thanks, happy boy. You sure shot down my theory. No way that map could possibly be showing Mahone Bay, location of the Grail Star treasure, now that you have explained how impossible that is, using cold hard facts and logic.

Now here's another cool map image, by Casper Vopel, 1545.

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It appears to show the King of Portugal in the late 1400s, Joao 2. Though the map was made later than that, it may have used the same king depiction as when the land was claimed. The later kings didn't look like that. On the other map, you saw that Nova Scotia was called Terra del Rey de Portugal, Land of the King of Portugal, and on this one we see him actually depicted. That is clearly not Newfoundland/Labrador. Though it does say "Laborador", in those days that referred to the whole East coast of Canada and even down through the New England area. Later it was contracted to its present size. You can easily identify the St. Lawrence River near the "Arctic Circle". The river right in front of the king would be the La Have River, the largest river in Nova Scotia and just below Mahone Bay. They don't seem to have depicted Nova Scotia as an identifiable peninsula, but blended it in with the general coastline. Corte Realis would likely have been Newfoundland. Newfoundland was also known as "Tierra dos Bacallaos", but certainly not Terra Del Rey de Portugal. I have just trumped all map experts of the world by correctly identifying Terra Del Rey de Portugal.

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Two other Portuguese, Alvarex Fagundes and Estevan Gomez (the latter serving Spain) navigated, respectively, the Gulf of St. Lawrence and the Bay of Fundy before 1525, more than a decade ahead of the well-documented voyages of Jaques Cartier. In recognition of the contribution made by the Corte brothers, the King of Portugal granted to their descendants "Real and actual possession of the Mainland and Islands" discovered by Gaspar Corte Real during the expeditions which were financed and carried out by this Azores family at tremendous material and physical cost. Fagundes, in 1520, applied for and received a nominal royal grant of the lands he might discover "within the Portuguese sphere of influence". Some of the names he gave to points he discovered in the western part of Newfoundland were later changed to English and French nomenclature.

It has been asserted by some historians that the Portuguese were the first to exploit the fishing found on the Grand Banks, late in the 15th century. In support of this theory there is documentation of special tithes levied on catches of cod by King Manuel of Portugal as early as 1506. For a century or more after its recorded discovery, Newfoundland became known to Western Europe as "Tierra dos Bacallaos" (Portuguese for codfish). It is identified in this manner on a map published in 1569 by the celebrated Dutchman Gerardus Mercator, who marked Labrador (the Portuguese word for farmer) as "Terra Corte Realis". http://www.wordplay.com/tourism/portuges.html


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 Post subject: do you sail, jb?
PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 1:35 pm 
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JB,

My wife's family are intrepid sailors and then some, their family name comes from centuries of expert mast builders in Germany.

When I visited my in-laws in St.Thomas 30 years back, they lived on their yacht in the Charlottte Amalie harbor, I was taken for a cruise to St. John's Island, which was donated by the Rockefeller family to the Virgin Island trust. That island is almost deserted.

That island as ya approach it from a sailing vessel looks identical to 1,000s of other islands in the Caribbean. Considering the period of time those cartographers made those maps without the benefit of satellite imagery, they are actually quite accurate.

It depends upon perspective, no? When Columbus started mapping what he saw it has no semblance to Google Earth, but to a fella seafarer heading west from the Canary Islands after hurricane season when the passage winds kick in, his maps are adequate for reaching the Caribbean area.

Ya need to become a sailor and sketch what ya see without use of a satellite position locator. Then ya can truly say ya drew the perfect navigation map.

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PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 11:24 pm 
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Thanks Jake. Now here's a good quote I found.

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In addition to sending vessels to explore the west coast of Africa, Henry dispatched Goncalo Velho Cabral to look for Antillia or the Isle of Seven Cities in 1425. Although Captain Cabral’s first mission has been characterized as a failure due to the lack of any published report of success, he apparently located the Azores in 1427. This occurred during another effort to find the lost western isles. Vague reports of isles that were sighted farther west and to the north occasionally found their way into the correspondence of Portuguese mariners; however, official chronicles remained silent regarding the outcome of such expeditions due to the policy of secrecy imposed on royal ventures. Diogo de Sevill sailed west in 1427. Goncalo Cabral sailed west again in 1431. According to Ferdinand Colon, the son of Columbus, a Portuguese vessel had reached Antillia by this point in time. It was a notable event in the folklore of the dockyards and quays of Iberia because the crew of one Portuguese vessel reported finding gold in sand taken from the shore. Joao Fernandes (the laborador for whom Labrador is named) sailed repeatedly between 1431 and 1486. Vincent Dias sailed west in 1445; Diego de Tieve’s commission in 1454 stipulated that he seek the Isle of Antillia. According to Pedro Velasco, a confidant of Columbus, the isle of Antillia had been sighted prior to Diego’s mission. Numerous western expeditions followed: Dom Fernao in 1457; Joao Vogado in 1462; Jao Vaz Corte-Real in 1464; Ruy Concalves da Camera in 1473; Fernao Telles in 1474; Antonio Leme and the daFonte brothers in 1476; Fernao Domingo de Arco in 1484; Fernao Dulmo, Alfonso de Estreito and Martin Behaim in 1486; and three more expeditions by Vincent Dias between 1482 and 1494.

The Dulmo-Estreito expedition must have been a success of some consequence because Ferdinand Colon reported that they had reached the “Isle of Baccalaos” (a.k.a., the isle of stockfish or cod). This was an early Portuguese-Bosque name for Newfoundland and the Grand Banks. Another Portuguese name for the same region was “Corte-realis”--in honor of the explorer Jao Vas Corte-Real and his sons. http://www.marcopolovoyages.com/Article ... p1436.html


The interesting thing here is the report of gold found in the sand. This sounds very much like Ovens Point, at the left arm point of the Grail Star formation in Mahone Bay. The sand on the shore there was very rich in gold and could be simply panned out. It was eroded out from the cliffs. I don't know for sure if that's where they were talking about but I don't think you can find gold in Florida sand. Though Nova Scotia is not an island, it could easily be mistaken for such, having only a small connection with the rest of the continent.


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PostPosted: 05 Dec 2008 11:28 pm 
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JB,

FYI on the Portugal connection, your buddy Iman is already working that angle.


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Well that's who sent me the map image in the first place. I identified the depiction of a king in the Vopel map as Joao 2 of Portugal though, directly linking it to the island shown in the Cantino map, proving it can't be Newfoundland, which is shown as Corte Realis. Thanks for the map image, Iman.


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Sorry, my bad, I didn't think you were aware. Anyways, it looks like you and I agree on something at least, as I also believe that the Portugeuse map in question depicts Mahone Bay. But where's the Grail Star you mention in the topic header? Is it the same one we've been discussing over on the Oak Island thread?


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PostPosted: 06 Dec 2008 12:24 am 
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Yup, same Grail Star. Not shown on the map, of course, being a top secret of the Order of Christ. The map simply shows that the Portuguese knew about Mahone Bay before any settlement had taken place there, The Order of Christ was headquartered in Portugal so it is plausible that they made use of this location for the treasure, including the Ark of Zion. Why not leave it in Portugal? Because Portugal was not the New Jerusalem. It's also a symbolic thing related to Revelation 9 of the Bible.

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The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.


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