Arcadia Discussion Zone

'Real or Imaginary’ No. 4: 3D Shepherds?


Subject: Um . . . shepherds in 3D!

Discoverer: Me (bored one evening!)

Details: When looked from a certain angle, is it possible that Poussin's second Shepherds of Arcadia is in reality a 3D painting?!!

.... or is it just a Master at work?

"You stepped out of a dream....." (Adrian's signature)

Are we all just stepping out of one ......

Weird effect though isn't it!


Here it is again the 'right way round':

Lay off the LSD, Adrian, and it will return to normal 2D in a few hours.

Hi everyone,

Changing the subject slightly I know, but these are cool...

http://adlib.blogs.com/photos/3d_paveme ... art_1.html

Rhea

Here's a real Treasure Hunter:
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/k ... icking.jpg

This isn't 3D, but it is nonetheless interesting. Johann Bayer created a new constellation in 1603, right below Canis Major. Apparently, Poussin saw it. He even put the little tuft at the back of the dove's head;



Speaking of Canis Major, Sirius is located at the nose of the dog. Now look at this Poussin painting which shows the same lady as in the first Shepherds painting. Note the dog and the stick in the lady's hand pointing right to the dog's nose. Now, if the lady represents Sirius and Phaeton represents Phaet (in the dove constellation) then they are both in the correct positions to mimic the positions of the two stars in the sky when the dove is on the horizon.

Cool! I've never been able to find the dove before but now you've pointed it out it's really quite clear! VAM

How interesting Jb, thank you!

What a beautiful painting, thanks for posting it. I was just wondering, do all of the Poussin paintings have a hidden message in them?

Thanks,

Rhea

Probably not. He did a LOT of paintings. But certain ones can be linked because of the same characters appearing in them. Here's another image I just did showing an overlay of Sirius and Phaet when Phaet is on the South meridian. Sirius corresponds to the bright oval thing on the lady's head. Presumably, the vertical line on the Poussin tomb would represent the South meridian and the cross-like crack at the top would represent the star.

I found out how the two stars correctly coorespond to the Poussin double star figure. Sirius is at the top of the large star but Phaet is at the center of the arms of the small star. This explains why the top of the middle staff is at the middle of the arms instead of at the top like the left staff. The tops of those two staffs indicate the positions of the two stars. The left shepherd is looking right at the dove.

What was that about LSD?

That's your response to the most stunning image ever produced in the history of Poussin painting solving? I deduced the double star figure years ago and just now showed how it makes perfect sense when we connect it with these two stars. A rather unlikely coincidence, wouldn't you say? Of course, all you will have to do to compete with this solution is to provide a different geometry which explains the tomb, the dove, the vertical crack and the star (not ankh) on that line.

I just solved the mystery of the Grail Star, one of the greatest unsolved mysteries of all time. Nobody knew what the Grail Star represented until now. You, of course, actually disputed its very existence. Kind of hard to solve something that you can't even accept the existence of.

Now produce the evidence to back-up these fantasies.

Fantasies, huh? Whose favorite word is that?

Here's something interesting. You know how the kneeling shepherd is pointing to the letters RC in the inscription, well in Johann Bayer's book in which the illustration for the Dove constellation appears the text names it Recentioribus Columba. The RC doesn't stand for Rose Cross after all, though I do believe they, or some related secret society, was involved. That's the only constellation name starting with the letter R other than Reticulum, which is a net, which doesn't seem likely to be involved in any of this.

Also, though the first depiction of the constellation is in Bayer's 1603 book, Uranometria, it was seen as a dove even long before that time in Greek mythology. So the Greek mythology theme of the Poussin paintings fits in with the constellation.

"Even before de Lacaille divided the giant Argo Navis into three smaller constellations - Carina, Puppis and Vela, COLUMBA was seen as a bird flying alongside the vessel. It was thought to represent the dove that guided the Argonauts through the Symplegades, the crashing rocks that guarded the entrance to the Black Sea. " http://www.delongpre.net/present027/tsld032.htm

The dove was also sacred to Aphrodite/Venus.

The constellation of Columba is very close to Canopus, the second brightest star in the sky.

Long range probe spacecraft like Voyager have a Canopus detector which it uses along with the Sun to work out its position using triangulation.

The Temple at Dendera in Egypt is a Canopus observation site which was used to plot precession. Zep Tepi, the first time is the point when Canopus appears due south on the horizon from Dendera, which is 24° 24' 00" N and 33° 00' 00" E. Almost on the Tropic of Cancer and we have the 33°. That's 33° from the meridian for those who thinks meridians are trivial.

Canopus is so bright that it can have a sunrise effect like the sun. Yes it can in fact produce a Golden Dawn

Canopus is part of the, now defunct, constellation of Argo Navis dismembered by Nicolas Louis de Lacaille in 1763 into Puppis, Carina, Vela. Argo Navis was an Ark like constellation which is led by Columba, the dove.

Canopus is almost at the centre of the celestial pole. It is on the axis of the earth's orbit around the sun. Evenly spaced around it at four six hour intervals are the four Royal stars. Aldeboran, Regulus, Fomalhaut and Antares.

Fomalhaut used to be in the Constellation of Aquarius, the next era after Pisces which we are in now.



This is important to the Priory of Sion. The wavy line in the sun is the symbol for Aquarius. Note the star above the sun, that's Fomalhaut.

The dove was of course the Branch Bearer for Noah's Ark and the Branch Bearer is Semiramis (it literally means Branch Bearer), she is the Whore of Babylon. A statue of Queen Semiramis stands on Staten Island at the entrance to New York. Here she's called the Statue of Liberty.

We of course also have Christopher Columbus (real name Cristóbal Colón) friend of Rene d'Anjou, POS Grand Master and creator of the phrase Et in Arcadia Ego and Saint Columba, who converted the Celts in Britain (at least he thinks he did)

Queen Elizabeth II carried a dove at her coronation.

You might like to look up Esclarmonde from the Cathar legend who turned herself into a dove and flew east to the mountains of Asia. This she did after she had secured the Grail after the fall of Montsegur. She is Saint Esclarmonde of the Gnostic Church. She's very big in British Columbia.

Columbus sailed with three ships, Nina Pinta and the Santa Maria.

ALL Spanish ships were names after saints and so the Nina and Pinta are nicknames. The Nina was the Santa Clara (Saint Clair or Sinclair) and we do not know which saint gave the correct name to the Pinta. But I would bet money that Colon (Columbus) knew precisely where he was going before he sailed.

As ever Roscoe, you have got some wonderful stuff in your post.

Jb, do any other constellations mesh in with the painting and your grailstars. It would be a shame if this turned out to be just a coincidence as on the face of it it does look as though it could be going somewhere. Lepus fitting in is interesting.

The good old days m'dear - the good old days! L.s.d, pounds & ounces, yards & inches. Ah, if only we weren't saddled with this newfangled metric system!! It's really not convenient having to remember that 1 Kilogram = 2.20462262184878 Pounds when cooking my Sunday roast!! And there's really no point in the weatherman telling me it's gonna be 18 degrees celsius!

Hard to say. Here's a wider view image. It's such a large area of sky that I find it doubtful that the full star figures were supposed to match up with more than Sirius and Phaet, but I suppose it's possible. I found it works better when Alnilam, the middle star of Orion's Belt, is on the South meridian, in other words at it's culmination, than when Phaet itself is on the meridian. The whole Egyptian X is enclosed in the large circle. Naos is very close to being on the arm line of the small star and Canopus is close to another line.

Decimalisation - great thing for dunces like me who weren't very good with arithmetic, even though we were ripped off by the shops after the changeover.

Not related to anything other than astronomy in general but there's a cool sight in the sky. I noticed it last night and then again tonight. I don't know where it would be located in the sky in your particular part of the world but in Nova Scotia it's in the SW. You'll notice two "stars" that will be the first things visible in the sky as dusk approaches, one larger and brighter than the other and fairly close together with it. I used Starry Night to find out what they are. They are actually not stars but planets. The brighter (and lower) one is Venus and the other one is Jupiter. On December 1st they will both be very close together and right next to the waxing crescent Moon. Should be quite a thing to see. If you're in Britain, Venus will be hidden behind the Moon though. Then they'll gradually get further apart each night thereafter, Venus going up higher and Jupiter going lower until it completely disappears beneath the horizon in early January. Just before that, another interesting sight will appear. Mercury will be seen along with Venus and Jupiter for a few nights around Christmas time. Over several nights it will gradually go upward as Jupiter goes downward and it will pass Jupiter, and then after Jupiter goes below the horizon Mercury will still be visible for several nights and then also gradually go back down below the horizon. Venus will still be around for a while after that.

VAM, just remember that 16 degrees Centigrade is 61 in real temperature, and 28 degrees Centigrade actually means 82.
(I still call it Centigrade, because Celsius sounds as if it's the name of a star...)

Perfect!

Thank you DVB. My kids think I'm bonkers when I have to translate silly temperature into real temperature. I mean, what's the point in the weatherman showing 16 degrees when he really means 61?? (I always use the 28-82 as a rough guide but the 16-61 will come in very useful - thanks) VAM