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I know I have read that Sauniere collapsed on the Tour Magdala
but does anybody know where?

Was it in his library?
the second floor of the Tour ?
or the roof of the Tour?

I was just looking for that info and can't seem to find it

Thanks

A bullaun (Irish: bullán; from a word cognate with "bowl" and French bol) is the term used for the depression in a stone which is often water filled. Natural rounded boulders or pebbles may sit in the bullaun.[1] The size of the bullaun is highly variable and these hemispherical cups hollowed out of a rock may come as singles or multiples with the same rock.[2][3]

Local folklore often attaches religious or magical significance to bullaun stones, such as the belief that the rainwater collecting in a stone's hollow has healing properties.[4] Ritual use of some bullaun stones continued well into the Christian period and many are found in association with early churches, such as the 'Deer' Stone at Glendalough, County Wicklow. The example at St Brigit's Stone County Cavan still has its 'cure' or 'curse' stones. These would be used by turning them whilst praying for or cursing somebody.[1] In May 2012 the first cursing stone to be found in Scotland was discovered on Canna. It has been dated to circa 800.[5]

St. Aid or Áed mac Bricc was Bishop of Killare in 6th-century. At Saint Aid's birth his head had hit a stone, leaving a hole in which collected rainwater that cured all ailments, thus identifying it with the Irish tradition of Bullaun stones.[6]

Bullauns are not unique to Ireland and Scotland, being also found on the Swedish island of Gotland, and in Lithuania and France. Possibly enlarged from already-existing solution-pits caused by rain, bullauns are, of course, reminiscent of the cup-marked stones which occur all over Atlantic Europe, and their significance (if not their precise use) must date from Neolithic times.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullaun

It reminds me of the stone at Rennes
stone that was in the garage
http://www.perillos.com/megarlc_6.jpg

Hi lovuian, I tried to help you and did some quick searches but could not find anything mentioning this, although it is an interesting question.. During the search, I stumbled on this. It is probably already well known to everyone here, but I am a tad new to the RLC stuff... what I liked about this article is how it also mentions the theories about bloodlines and the survival of Jesus after crucifixion...and how Saunier had a priest called to give him last rites....but it doesn't mention where..
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net

Shasta sounds interesting
do you have the link ?

OH! Just the gif appears! wait a moment...let me go back and try to find the artcle...I have a question or two to ask you about it anyway..

Thanks so much Shasta for taking the time

Lovuian...I cant find it...drat! That was an interesting article too!
The site is huge. It has an 'index' and I have tried several links there...but I'm mostly getting the in French..
which I can only handle a little...

Henry Lincoln told me that Sauniere collapsed at the door into the Tour library.

saw this article just this morning about the Bullaun stones...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h ... s-18130259

http://www.irishmegaliths.org.uk/crosspillars2.htm
I'm sure you are more familiar with these sites than I am.....but just in case you missed this one about the stones....

I thought it was the belvedere next to the orangerie, or is that where he was supposedly placed for the locals to pay homage ( I know this story is highly dubious ) ?
Regards
Nic

That was a great link Shasta, nice one.

personally i think the single stones are more likely for grinding wheat, millet, acorns, chestnuts, or rock-salt etc.

Sheila, I am inclined to agree with you that most such stones probably served a utilitarian purpose...similar stones are found in Tibetan and Native American villages too....

Good link Shasta

The Poitiers "Merovingian cross" stone is interesting.

Or it could be a tamga....a family mark..I recall that I posted some of those here ..and this one looks familiar.

A Chinese statue commemorating illustrious families through their tamgas..
I noticed the Star of David, the trident of Neptune, the 8-spoked wheel of Buddhism, and something resembling the Merovingian cross....is it safe to say that China was also colonized by travelers going east on the Old Silk Road?

I saw that too Sheila and thought it was interesting
It made me think of the stone in the garage


Thanks Pilrig and thank you Henry

That link has some incredible stones Awesome Shasta

Thanks Nic
I was just wondering when Sauniere collapsed was there anything reported missing in his library in the Tour?
His death seemed so sudden...Did anybody ever have suspicions that he was murdered?


François Bérenger Saunière died on 22 January 1917, his suspension lifted at the moment of death (in articulo mortis) by Abbé Jean Rivière, who performed the Last Rites. His Death certificate dated 23 January 1917 was signed by Victor Rivière, the mayor of Rennes-le-Château. Saunière was buried on 24 January 1917. Marie Dénarnaud paid for Saunière's coffin on 12 June 1917.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9renger_Sauni%C3%A8re

His suspension lifted at the moment of death by Abbe Jean Riviere

can an Abbe lift a suspension by the Bishop?

Abbe Riviere was a relative of the mayor of Rennes Riviere? Does the Mayor sign all death certificates of all the deaths at Rennes?

he'd been living high off the hog for a while...he liked to indulge.

and if i've got that wrong i stand corrected.

Sheila do you think he might have been a drug abuser or alcoholic?
He liked to indulge?
what is your idea on this
I'm curious

Saunière did not attend the third hearing on 21 November 1911 and was sentenced in his absence on 5 December 1911 to three months suspension. Although Saunière's suspension was only provisionally temporary—for three months—the priest's reinstatment depended on the ecclesiastical judgment that he had to "undertake the restitution into the hands of the rightful owner and according to canon law of the goods misappropriated by him", which the priest was unable to do
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http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_priorysion07.htm

To whom was the rightful owner that Sauniere owed resititution?

to whom did Sauniere owe restitution...did we have a name?

Saunière did not attend the third hearing on 21 November 1911 and was sentenced in his absence on 5 December 1911 to three months suspension. Although Saunière's suspension was only provisionally temporary—for three months—the priest's reinstatment depended on the ecclesiastical judgment that he had to "undertake the restitution into the hands of the rightful owner and according to canon law of the goods misappropriated by him", which the priest was unable to do

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9renger_Sauni%C3%A8re
[urlhttp://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_priorysion07.htm][/url]

It doesn't seem a fair trial to have the accused not be there
to put a temporary suspension...which seemed to be a suspension

He was not excommunicated
buried originally on Holy ground but not anymore

Saunière is reputed to have loved good food and extremely fine wines to quite a degree, as to the rest i would need to see it in the original French before i could comment, but i believe that Saunière was not a "rich" man in the material sense when he died.

"In those days".......could a mayor authorise a death certificate? (ie Not a legally qualified medical practitioner).

Jacques Rivière - Le Fabuleux trésor de Rennes-le-Château - Bélisane
wonder if he was a relative of the Abbe and the Mayor?

http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/rlc/giscard.html
the letter written to Giscard about the Bishop's interest in the water stoop with the angels and the demon
what the Bishop was fascinated was the piscina


A piscina is a shallow basin placed near the altar of a church, used for washing the communion vessels

They were originally named for the baptismal font

The purpose of the piscina or sacrarium is to dispose of water used sacramentally, by returning these particles directly to the earth. For this reason, it is connected by a pipe directly to the ground; otherwise presumably a basin was used.

Ordinarily the piscina is used in cleaning the sacred vessels after the Mass (see Ablution in Christianity). Cleaning the vessels in this basin ensures that any remaining consecrated particles are returned directly to the Earth. If the consecrated Hosts become unusable, the priest disposes of the hosts by placing them in the sacrarium. This is accomplished by breaking the hosts up into small pieces and washing them into the basin — which returns the consecrated hosts to the ground.


At times the piscina has been used for disposal of other items, such as old baptismal water, holy oils, and leftover ashes from Ash Wednesday. A common myth is that consecrated wine was also poured down the piscina. Actually, the rubrics stated that clearly any consecrated Blood of Christ that that is left over after communion is consumed either by the priest or by those who assist in the distribution of the Eucharist (the extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion), there has never been a time when the Precious Blood was officially poured down the drain

In the Roman Catholic Church, pouring the consecrated wine, the Blood of Christ, or the Host down a sacrarium is never permitted.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piscina

Monsignor Billard, Bishop of Carcassonne, struck down with paralysis – having also been suspended from his post for,

"having administered the assets of his diocese in the most irregular fashion and for having contracted staggering debts, which were completely unjustified"

(Simon Laborde, Biographical notice on Monsignor Billard, late Bishop of Carcassonne, 1902).
It seems Billard had a stroke too

Marie Dénarnaud was born in Esperaza on August 12th 1868. and Abbe Riviere hailed from there
Did Riviere give Sauniere the last rites...? Some say he waited to give them after Sauniere's death
Wasn't that CRUEL and why would they do that?
and yet after death he gave him the last rites
then buried on Holy ground

Giving some last rites after death is not the point
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_priorysion07.htm