Arcadia Discussion Zone

Am I allowed to swear on this site? I meant to put only the first paragraph as a quote - my apologies for my lapse in protocol.

The only rule on this forum is that you must NOT call Hugo Soskin boring. Apart from that - anything goes!

I presume you can swear on this forum. You can also indulge in the idiotic practice of answering with asterisks and inverted commas.

You have a point. Though it would be interesting to read Bill's opinions, more interesting than reading a solitary asterisk imo.

And of course this thread is about David Wood, another guy who is shy and retiring when it comes to discussing his claims. From what I've heard he has declined invitations to talk about his work.

The Pot calling the Kettle.
"Roger" has plenty of conspiracy theories of his own to peddle ("an important object ended up in RLC (because of its history) and that object is extremely important to those parties").

Roger cannot produce his "important object" - its very existence is a product of "Roger's" imagination.

"Roger" thinks like all other conspiracy theorists because he's one himself.
His form of thinking bears no resemblance to historical research.

COMBE LOUBIERE

This is the northernmost point of David Wood's extended Pentacle and is a point where three trackways meet.

So What?

Here's So What.

In about 640CE St Eligius, the spiritual advisor against paganism to Dagobert I said this:

"Let no one.....make flocks pass through a hollow tree or an aperture in the earth; for by doing so he seems to consecrate them to the devil;....No Christian place fires at temples or at the stones, or at the fountains and springs, or at the trees, or at places where three ways meet"

We also had this in a letter on the 12th july 594 to St Augustine bidding him:

"not to destroy pagan temples, but rather to replace the idols with the relics of saints, to sprinkle the old precincts with holy water and rededicate them, because people come more readily to places where they have been accustomed to pray.At festivals the people shall be allowed to build their booths of green leaves and to slay their bulls."

In case you didn't follow the link I gave you here's an extract:

"Before all else, I denounce and contest, that you shall observe no sacrilegious pagan customs. For no cause or infirmity should you consult magicians, diviners, sorcerers or incantators, or presume to question them because any man who commits such evil will immediately lose the sacrament of baptism. Do not observe auguries or violent sneezing or pay attention to any little birds singing along the road. If you are distracted on the road or at any other work, make the sign of the cross and say your Sunday prayers with faith and devotion and nothing inimical can hurt you. No Christian should be concerned about which day he leaves home or which day he returns because God has made all days. No influence attaches to the first work of the day or the [phase of the] moon; nothing is ominous or ridiculous about the Calends of January. [Do not] make [figures of?] vetulas, little deer or iotticos or set tables at night or exchange New Years' gifts or supply superfluous drinks. No Christian believes impurity or sits in incantation, because the work is diabolic. No Christian on the feast of Saint John or the solemnity of any other saint performs solestitia [solstice rites?] or dancing or leaping or diabolical chants. No Christian should presume to invoke the name of a demon, not Neptune or Orcus or Diana or Minerva or Geniscus or believe in these inept beings in any way. No one should observe Jove's day in idleness without holy festivities not in May or any other time, not days of larvae or mice or any day but Sunday. No Christian should make or render any devotion to the gods of the trivium, where three roads meet, to the fanes or the rocks, or springs or groves or corners."

One would hope of course that in order to satisfy David Williams' criteria these Christians understood that they had to ensure that they placed their churches to be be within 6 metres over the two and a half mile spread of the particular figure mapped on the earth. They need to ensure that they placed their Christian churches dedicated to the saints over these existing Pagan temples in order for him to accept the existence of the pentacle that had been mapped out previously using Pagan Temples.

Coronation of the Virgin with the Saints John the Evangelist, Augustine, Jerome and Eligius. (San Marco altarpiece). By Botticelli.

Petrus Christus St. Eligius, as a Goldsmith, Hands the Wedding Couple a Ring.

Where does David Wood produce the historical evidence to back-up his geometrical theories? Without that, the theory lacks any validity.

Arrrgggh!!!! I don't believe it.

I just gave you the historical evidence you half wit.

Your agreement with David Wood's theories does not count as "evidence".

Mediaeval parchments or scrolls, or much older material, showing that certain constructions were built to coincide with geometrical alignments is required to back-up Wood's theories as being historicallly sound.

There is no known treatment for Asperger syndrome.

Is that what you are suffering from by any chance?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

Many important contributions to science, computing and engineering come from men and women 'afflicted' with Asperger syndrome or something similar within the autism spectrum. Academia and Silicon Valley are seething with Asperger cases. So it's thanks (in part) to them, that we live in a more technologically advanced world than we perhaps would do otherwise.

So don't knock Aspies!


David.

Just a minute: hello, planet earth calling:

Allow me to thrust it yet again into your blind eye.



The northern point of Wood's pentacle is at a place where three ancient trackways meet. Other points cover springs and perhaps stones where the Holy Roman Church placed their "dedication to the saints" as described in the letter to St Augustine. Here they now stand as the churches that David Williams demands must be within 6 metres over two miles.

Now have you ever read La Bella Gallica by Julius Caesar. In it he describes what you're looking for. He also describes the fact that the Druids, who worshipped at these places, never wrote anything down.

I see that I have to spell it out for you. The Holy Roman church never placed their churches in a pentacle. They were so ignorant they never realised that "not to destroy pagan temples, but rather to replace the idols with the relics of saints, they inadvertently placed their churches in a recognisable pattern laid down for them by a previous religion.

So about the Druids. Have you heard of the book called

La Vraie Langue Celtique et le Cromleck de Rennes-les-Bains?

What's a Cromlech? Do you know?

It's Celtic (Celtique) you know. As is Samhain night, you know, the same night the Abbe Gelis was murdered.

It's about the faeries, alluded to by the Perraultbrothers. One of whom built patterns in the Paris landscape. Who of course are also mentioned in Le Serpent Rouge and also here. Incidently the word "pear" is a Celtic word.


A religious painting in the hall of the castle of the Cassini, which has pears painted on it

Pixie Pear is a Hawthorn


Oh by the way Julius Caesar was the first person to coin the phrase

Middle Earth.

Now if you're still having trouble understanding then you really really really need to start reading this book

For once I agree with you.

How's that pattern you say you can make up using anything coming along?

The salient point here is what evidence can "Angelus" present to demonstrate that Mr Smith suffers from Asperger's Syndrome, especially if his doctors do not know anything about it.

This observation does not constitute "historical evidence".

No. It constitutes physical evidence, and is all the more compelling for that.

The historical evidence is alluded to in the quotations / extracts provided by Roscoe early on 14th November, in one of the postings above.

I agree that this inadvertent following of a previous pattern would likely account for the overwhelming majority of such structures, but I think there may be a few cases where later builders did so in a more deliberate way, being privy to this sort of knowledge. Perhaps?

I'm thinking in terms of something like the way some of the windows in the Bornholm Churches have been cut at certain, significant angles. So the placement of these buildings in the middle ages may be accidental, but the way in which they've been either constructed or adapted implies some conscious design in respect of solar alignments. The oddly placed castle at Arques may be another possible example.

Not quite, Roscoe introduces historical facts that he believes are associated with Wood's pentacle - but he hasn't produced any historical evidence from the period of time concerned involving the people HE CLAIMS knew about the pentacle.

You're asking for documentary proof that you must know does not exist, since the alignments to which we are referring pre-date the keeping of such records. Hence we have the physical evidence that certain structures conform to a geometric pattern, and the documentary evidence (as quoted by Roscoe) to show that Christian structures were deliberately placed upon earlier pagan sites, thereby echoing a previously divined geometry. That's evidence. Granted that's not the same as proof. We'll probably never have proof of such a thing. But it's still evidence.

At least some references to such "alignments" would exist somewhere in the form of ancient folio manuscripts - but no such things have ever been discovered.



But these geometric structures could be created today. Proof is required to show that they existed before the existence of ordnance survey maps.



Proof is just another word for evidence.

In everyday usage, perhaps. I believe there's a subtle distinction. The evidence suggests it. Strongly. Proof would be the full stop at the end of the sentence. I don't suppose we'll ever reach that point.