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Unfortunately it appears that 90% of people on here know nothing about land surveying but merely THINK they do.

This man is a professional

Thanks Lov

At least some on here want to ask questions and are not trussed up with their own self importance.

yes it looks like it is linked to the Cross in the Sky.

Shasta,
Many thanks for your polite and measured post!
Thank you also for accepting my point about professional credibility.
How does one define an 'expert'?
Well, by your own measure it is with earned professional credentials in the field. I'm sure that David Wood is a highly experienced and qualified, nay chartered, Land Surveyor. However do these credentials allow him to 'identify, date, decipher and interpret historic Graffiti' with anymore certainty or credibility than, say, our resident Stain(sic) glass 'expert' or any one of the other armchair experts that infest this Forum?

Your Proctologist might express an opinion on Renaissance Art, your hairdresser might express an opinion on quantum physics and your therapist on plumbing as they are all entitled to do. However, would you take it as gospel or ascribe to them any more credibility?

As Chevy Chase once suggested 'ring or wristwatch?'

TD

Roscoe said;


I'm all for asking questions Roscoe, but you seem unwilling or unable to answer them.
Maybe you should pm me a list of questions you want to be asked then I could drop them
in to the conversation at the appropriate moment thus giving you the chance of looking knowledgeable.

BTW I know its outside his speciality too but does David Wood, Land Surveyor, have any insights into how to make the perfect Yorkshire pudding?
All opinions from other gifted amateurs welcome too!
I suppose as it's pm we'll have to wait for your reply until the 'wee small hours of the morning'?
TD

Make sure the lard is smoking before you put the batter in the tin. I use a metal muffin tray and I'm thinking duck fat/beef drippings might be the way to go.
Derived from an old New Zealand cookbook.

It also depends on what you are serving it with...The drippings from goose are superior but hardest to come by...the drippings from
a good roast beef also work superb...it is an improvement on American 'dumplings' to be sure.....quite good!

Ingredients

9 ounces all-purpose flour, approximately 2 cups
1 1/2 teaspoons kosher salt
4 large eggs, room temperature
2 cups whole milk, room temperature
1/4 cup beef drippings, divided-leaving 2 Tablespoons in the pan to cook the pudding in..

*note: A 3-bone-in standing rib roast cooked in a 13 by 9-inch roasting pan will give you enough drippings for the pudding. Prepare the pudding while the roast is resting.

Thank you for getting my meaning so quickly! I was a tad worried when I posted that....how some here might misunderstand and take it all wrong ..that's a deep sigh of relief you hear wafting through cyber space.

It looks like a couple of pentacles and crosses to me

But then I'm no expert. You sort of kind of wonder why someone would place them on the side of the church.

But then I'm no expert.

So where does this lead us beyond pointing out the stupidity of your reasoning and the utter irrelevancy of you questioning a man whose expertise violates your comfort zone?

the Pleiades may have something to do with this


“People built an entire myth around the magnetism of the mountain,” said Jean-Luc Lamotte, 60, a retired businessman who owns a house nearby.

there is the Billy Meir story there in Switzerland

he is said to have contact with the people of Pleaides

I feel the Pleaides and Orion do have symbolic meaning in respect with the Nephilim ...in Genesis

Crosses on a Church? Wow, who would have thought it ?

One of the few things we've been able to establish here without doubt is that you are, indubitably, no expert!

David Woods expertise as a PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR doesn't 'violate my comfort zone' at all!
I'm sure he's the very epitome of a PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR but how does that expertise allow him
to identify, date, decipher and interpret historic Graffiti?

We'd all love to accept his expertise in this matter if you can give us the merest scintilla of a reason
why PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYORS become experts in ancient grafitti by virtue of their training in land surveying?

Come on Roscoe, why should we recognise David Woods opinion on the grafitti?
Ring or wristwatch?

Are you his agent? Mr 10%?

TD

I know nothing about David Wood.
Are qualifications the be-all and end-all? Aren't there examples of amateurs achieving as well?
Surely it's not the number of qualifications, but the quality of work in the given field (;-))?

What was Schliemann? An amateur? Was the man who invented cats' eyes an expert on road safety? Does lack of qualifications stop anyone having valid input? Conversely, does it mean that everything the expert says is correct?

jlockest,
If you look back through ol' Roscoes posts you will see that the central point to his flag waving for David Wood is that
his opinion is paramount because he's a PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR (his caps not mine)!
My question has been repeated because I'm trying to understand what this laudable professional expertise has got
to do with identifying, dating, deciphering and interpreting historic Graffiti?

David Wood can express any opinion he cares to whenever and however he wants but he cannot demand to be heard on
this subject because he's a PROFESSIONAL LAND SURVEYOR!

btw With regards to Schliemann, he was an amateur in a different period but if any acheologist worked in the way he
did at Troy today they would be shunned by his colleagues. Arguably he could have done less damage to the archeology at Troy if he had used a JCB.
Its a career limiting approach, like promoting a fake tomb using archeological credentials !

TD

...or maybe we'd still believe that Troy was a work of fiction?
Didn't it take Schliemann's 'belief'? Maybe what he found wasn't/isn't even Troy. But isn't his story more about changing perception? Didn't he start to make people think that maybe some of the ancient narratives were based on reality rather than just being fiction?

My curiosity aroused, I had to do some reading about Schliemann....and it raised many questions that pertain to "who owns the rights to old graves and old archaeology sites? The country they are found? The property owner's, or a private family? The Church or a religion? These questions are ongoing and still a source of conflict worldwide..

Anyways, good ol' Wikipedia offered up these opinions about Schliemann and his "methods"....So sad. especially because we don't have far to look to know this behavior and attitude continues all around us..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schliemann

Shasta,
I don't think it was only Schliemann. You have to imagine that back in the 18th/19th centuries archaeology wasn't treated as it is today. In this country we're relatively ok, and now sites have preservation orders slapped on them. But that isn't the case across the world even now. Aren't the Egyptian artifacts that found themselves scattered to the 4 corners just another case?

Maybe if the 'experts' in Schliemann's case had taken him seriously, they could have headed up the dig and stopped the carnage?

I agree with you, jlockest..It is a similar problem in India..has been since antiquity...take the Bamiyan Buddha as an example...caught in a war about ideologies and fundamentalism...as soon as the fundamentalists got there, they blew up the Buddhas....and the Kabul Museum, which housed incredible information about man's developing history..In Israel, archaeology digs are allowed....this is how James Tabor and Simcha Jacobovish were able to write about, and make documentaries about the ossuaries for James, Mariam, and Jesus...(the authenticity is still debated)..however, the older tombs of Abraham and Sarah and others are off limits for two reasons, first because it is a religious issue sacred to Jews (whereas Jesus is not) and second, because like the Bamiyan Buddha, the site is now under control of fundamentalists with a different religious agenda...the State cannot access the site even if they wanted to...although it is thousands of years old, as old as the graves in the Valley of the Kings...and still intact. So it is not an even consensus worldwide about how best to approach the history and archaeology of these sites...This means that every year more Schliemanns will have their way and here we sit on forums trying to figure out what is missing! We'll never know, and our chances get slimmer every year... By the way, half of India's antiquities are still in boxes in the old storerooms of the British Museum..sent there by archaeologist Aurel Stein ...had he not shipped them out of the country..I suppose their fate would be far worse...now since India independence, archaeology falls under the 'Archaeology Survey of India' Department....but they have been unsuccessful in gaining control over valuable historic sites that remain in private hands...or with religious groups..

Well done Shasta !
Its extraordinary how you can turn any and all threads to the subject of your book!
Many congrats!
TD

Thanks, TD... Is your cup half empty? Or half full? You see, you can interpret something in more than one way..

My historical views include the experiences and knowledge I acquired abroad...much of which is unknown to
the average western reader.....I connect the east and the west so you have a broader perspective of history...as Serendipity always says, there are no coincidences...it's all connected.. even France and India.

You don't have to read my book to learn this. You can go anywhere on the Internet to read further... The primary topic of my book is cultural terrorism....a topic you are discussing here at Arcadia regarding the Ben Hammott 'tomb' and what may be of concern to authorities in France..and now we are examining the credentials of a Land Surveyor...and then we jumped to the methods of Schliemann.
On another thread, (Ben Hammott's Confession) Bulldognic just posted this:


It happens worldwide..I personally have to deal with these same questions regarding the tombs in India and Asia, and old archaeology sites..How do we determine who "owns" the rights to an ancient grave found by accident on a lonely mountainside? How many interpretations do "experts" bring to history? A lot....which is why we have such a hard time knowing how to interpret events and symbols...Yes, I have written a book that covers these topics...but I have also devoted my life to understanding these complexities and seeking solutions..I do not write books just for the sake of throwing them out there to see what sticks..I devoted the remainder of my life to this one issue...I cannot separate myself from this. It defines what I am doing for the remainder of my life..

If this is a discussion about antiquities, then yes, I do have experiences in other countries that you might find valuable when evaluating what happens in France...that's my whole point to being here....to bring what I can to the table to broaden awareness and discussions...not to "sell" my book..

I should hope that we can carry on conversations here based upon everyone's experiences and observations...whether it's something I already covered in my book, or not...that is not the point...I have re read my post several times, trying to see why you made that comment. I just don't see it that way..It was never my intention to shout "BUY MY BOOK" and if that is all you can get out of the above post, then I am saddened that you miss so much more....

Please keep this in perspective...when I want to promote or sell my book, I can post a picture of the cover....or a link to amazon sites..that would make more sense. But when I am discussing my experiences in relation to history....that is not a book promotion. These are personal observations...Thank you for understanding the difference...

David Wood (Professional Land Surveyor) came up with this.

The distance from Rennes le Chateau church to Arques church is SIX miles - EXACTLY

The Paris Meridian is four miles from Rennes le Chateau church = EXACTLY along the RLC - Arques line.

These are David Wood's discoveries.

Six miles is two leagues or four Domesday leagues.

There are 2640 yards in one Domesday league and 2640 x 2640 = 6969600 yards and if we divide this by the number of yards in a mile (1760) we get 3960 statute miles. The mean radius of the earth is 3959 miles; 3964 miles at the equator and 3949 miles at the poles. One must remember that the Abbé Jean Picard had measured the length of a degree of longitude and computed the size of the earth in 1655, the year Poussin painted his first version of the Annuciation.

However the English (thanks to John Dee) had adopted the Statute Mile a century before.

Incidently the distance from Rennes le Chateau church to Le Pierre Droit (a stone at San Salvayre which leans towards Rennes le Chateau) is also SIX miles - Exactly.


Known locally as
Pierre druidique de Salvayre

And speaking of orientation.

Bugarach church (where the graffiti can be found) is orientated towards Rennes le Chateau. It is EXACTLY 10000 yards from Rennes le Chateau church

The English Statute Mile is an Ancient measurement

Thanks for the daily re-hash Roscoe.
Now, as Sheila asked, whats the title of the publication in which he postulated this theory?
It would be nice to read the info at source rather than through the highly selective and distorting 'Roscoe' lens!
Many thanks,
TD

Google
David Wood+Rennes le Chateau

It really isn't rocket science you know.

Why so shy Roscoe ? Not wanting to stick your neck out?
I've not read many historical articles with pretensions to seriousness whose bilbliographies say:
" Google it "
One of the google hits includes the following review:

Wood had received training in military surveying techniques and fortunate enough to own a reprographic company. By combining the two he had managed to discover what had lain hidden for centuries. He had, like Lincoln, found a five sided shape but his was a pentagram, not a pentagon. He had also found circles, squares and other shapes, all interlocking and linked together by mathematical ratios and English land measure such as the mile and pole. It all sounds very fanciful, but in fact was arrived at by a very methodical and logical step by step process. Unfortunately Wood then went on to construct a complete numerical symbolism for everything he discovered, arriving along the way at conclusions that seemed bizarre and unwarranted, and at a final conclusion that put many off the book altogether.

So, this does suggest that your description of him as 'Professional Land Surveyor' as rather over-egging the [yorkshire] pudding!
His conclusions stray beyond the confines of his 'professional' expertise as suspected.

TD

Not shy just that you bore the living s__t out of me, The records show that you have contributed the square root of zip to this forum. Nothing can be gained in engaging in any kind of reasoned argument with you. You hate me whatever, no point in any further discussion. However you are not the only person reading this thread.

So since you mentioned David Wood's book I will comment. I said many moons ago that GENISIS is a classic book providing you only read it up to page 56. After that the wheels come off.

The moral of the story is that you should not try to go beyond your immediate expertise. A lesson that a few people on here should heed. You shouldn't chastise Wood for this when you see that quite a few people do this on here on a daily basis.

"Good or Bad we think we know
As if thinking makes it so"
Joni Mitchell

Please don't run away Roscoe!
Whatever makes you think I 'hate you'?
For me to do that I'd have to be investing even a modicum of emotional energy or thought into this exchange.
A frightfully negative emotion, hate, don't you agree!
Let me know when you're gonna move from declamation to "reasoned argument", wont you?
I'm just trying to understand the logical basis for what you're trying to allude to but you're making it awfully difficult.
I may not be the only one reading it but I'm surely the only one giving you half a chance to make some sense!

Would a hug help?
You can stand on a box if it's easier !
TD

I'm reminded of a quote from Winston Churchill

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

If I may paraphrase that.

The best argument against having a reasoned argument with you is having a five-minute conversation with you.

It wastes my time and keeps you away from the coolade