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It is bound to "go over people's heads" since what Roscoe is doing is making things up as he goes along. As indeed you do.

How many times does it have to be repeated here - and elsewhere on the internet - that Mr Paul Smith does not have anything to do with Roman Catholicism? Nor does Mr Smith even like the Roman Catholic Church.

How many times does it have to be repeated that the Abbe Berenger Sauniere left voluminous amounts of evidence behind to prove that he was a devout Roman Catholic Fundamentalist and an anachronistic conservative Monarchist who was opposed to the secularisation of French Society by the French Republic?

The Abbe Berenger Sauniere was not the Messiah of the Occult, not the Keeper of the Pagan Origins of Christianity, or any other such related bunk and hokum claptrap nonsense.

Jean-Jacques Bedu and Marie France Etchegoin are two French authors that have argued the very same thing in their respective books. Try telling them that they are Fundamentalist Roman Catholics.

The problem with some people is that they do not understand objective historical research.

It would be truly fascinating if people like "Roger" - who have their own conspiracy theories to promote - took researchers like Jean-Jacques Bedu seriously.

"Roger" has a duty to discard Jean-Jacques Bedu if he is to accept the romance of "Isaac Ben Jacob" - who really should stick to writing books about Mu rather than introducing nonsense like necrophilia in relation to Berenger Sauniere!

How is he on the Knights of Malta?



Don't they all. Fact is the Roman Catholic church stripped him of his office.



But he wrote the word Secret in his diary on the feast of St Michael. The door starts to open once you realise who, or more accurately, what St Michael is. In Germany there are many many churches built on conical mounds. They are all dedicated to St Michael. As is this one:



(Here we go with "oh-he-really-meant-Secretaire" claptrap. Like they have some kind of proof or some inside knowledge of what Sauniere was thinking or something.
Just in case - There ain't no such French word as Secretaire there is however a word Secrétaire, Sauniere would not abbreviate such a word without emphasis above the e.)



And the problem with you is that you are a pathological true believer who shows us clearly his colours once he gets rattled. Like you're doing now in fact.


“In the Aude, the peasants rather believe in the malignant spirit, the fairies and the underground geniuses than with the Virgin and the Angels”

Gaston Jourdanne: Contribution to the Folklore of the Aude, 1900


Written whilst Sauniere was Curé of Rennes le Chateau

Evidence?
The claim is arrant nonsense.




Because in 1892 Pope Leo XIII asked the French Roman Catholic Church to obey the French Republic. Only militant Conservatives like Sauniere refused to obey the Papal Instruction.




Secretary to the Bishop of Carcassonne!
"Secret" was abbreviation BOTH to Secretaire AND Secrétaire and the abbreviation did NOT always have the emphasis above the "e".

I must say you do seem to know an awful lot about Mr Smith.

This is like shooting rats in a barrel.



So he wasn't that much of a devout Roman Catholic Fundamentalist then.



Here we go with that pure unadulterated guess yet again.

Sorry old chum Sauniere said the word SECRET.

This is commonly known as a FACT.

Sauniere defied the Papal Instruction because he WAS a devout Roman Catholic Fundamentalist.






You're the one doing the guessing.
And you're the only one claiming that "secret" was NOT an abbreviation for "Secretaire" and "Secrétaire".

"Roger" should inform in the first instance Mr Paul Smith's doctor that he suffers from Asperger's Syndrome, since Mr Smith's doctor does not know anything about it.

"Roger" should also stop posting as "Angelus".

"Roger" should also get his facts right about Berenger Sauniere's position of playing the role he believed his precious Roman Catholic Church had abandoned. It's all there, in the Sauniere correspondence.

Good, then "Roger" can be committed to a psychiatric Unit to deal with his mental disorders. As to "Roger's" other comments, they are beneath discussion.

Mr Paul Smith does not suffer from, nor has he at any time in his life suffered from, any mental illness - including Asperger's Syndrome.

It says Secret old chum.

So are we now to have unsubstanciated guesses over and above a blatant FACT? Sorry I don't do beliefs without any crap of evidence. It isn't my style.

Game over. You lost. NEXT?

So tell me, how long does it take to get from Burton on Trent to Stow on the Wold just so one can bang on someone's door in late evening and rant at the occupant?

"Roger" is huffing and puffing nonsense and it is about time that he at least attempted to post something sensible (if it is not too difficult for him).

Just as suspected, "Roger" is unable to post anything sensible.

Secretary to the Bishop of Carcassonne.

Mr Norton




In light of your above illuminating comments from yourself, which of the above retorts are we to believe?

John

But it says SECRET A FACT

Stop your wild guessing and give me some inside knowledge that you have regarding what was going through Sauniere's mind.

Tell me what the phrase Cros AND Secretaire means when Cros WAS the Secretaire?

Yes he goes to see all these people, one of them (unworthy of a name) a priest near to Narbonne all in one day. He then sees Cros for some reason and then apparantly reminds himself that he was the Secretary.

Forgetfull was he? Presumably he knew who was seeing and yet has to remind himself as to what Cros' function was whilst at the same time elected NOT to write in his diary the reason he went to see him.

Yers!!!!

Of course the real truth here is that you have to have this or else your whole house of cards falls, illogical though it may be.

I still do not know what you are referring to.

I'm confused, is that Mr Norton or Mr Smith replying?

John

Wrong.

In a day?

Oh and yes I am also familiar with that total GUESS of Mariano Tomatis. I'm not into must-have-dones myself.

But hey look at this



It says SECRET and ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE.

It is commonly known as a FACT.

Pierre Pradel was the secretary to the Bishop of Carcassonne (whose surname was Cros), Sauniere did not say what Roscoe claims.

Sauniere did not say "saw Cros who also was the secretary".

Proof please?

Now back to the illogical sentence which you side step.

Lets assume (without a single scrap of evidence, only a desire that it needs to be this or the whole story disintegrates) that Sauniere places in his personal diary that he sees Cros et Secretaire. Now notwithstanding the fact that there is no such word and he has enough space to write the full word anyway, why does he remind himself of the position of the person he sees and yet fail to place in the diary the reason he saw all these people?

Sorry old chum the word he put down is the word SECRET. Here it is again in black and white:



This is my PROOF that Sauniere meant the word SECRET, I can tell by the way that it is the very word he wrote down.

Until you come up with PROOF of Sauniere's seemingly nebulous intentions regarding his entry into his diary beyond what he actually put down, then it's game over old chum. I don't do wishful thinking.

Now with M Norton now desperately looking for evidence for his theory on Sauniere's intentions, back to my point.

Sauniere wrote down the word SECRET in his diary on the feast of St Michael and All Angels.

Among the Basques in northern Spain, whose national patron is Saint Michael, the feast is kept with great religious and civic celebrations. An image of the Archangel is brought from the national shrine to all churches of Navarre for a short "visit" each year, to be honoured and venerated by the faithful in their home towns.

The Feast of Saint Michael coincides with the ancient "quarter" celebration of the Germanic (Saxon) nations, held roughly three months apart and close to the two solstices and two equinoxes. (The Magna Carta was signed on one of these days at Runnymead (Rune Mede - Rune Meadow.)) It was the time of the autumn meeting (Thing) of all freemen for the purpose of making laws and sitting in court. Great markets and celebrations were held in all cities and towns. Some of this ancient lore has come down to our time: Saint Michael's parades, Michael's fairs, Michael's plays, and similar customs. Not forgetting this also

It all falls into place when you realise what St Michael is. [url=http://www.mythindex.com/roman-mythology/P/Pales.html]Four angels - Four Quarters.
PAR LA CROIX ET CE CHEVAL DE DIEU J'ACHEVE CE DAEMON DE GARDIEN A MIDI[/url]

Not Forgetting POMMES BLEUES

ed signifer sanctus Michael repraesentet eas in lucem sanctam, quam olim Abrahae promisisti et semini eius.

Saint Michael, the banner bearer, may conduct them into the holy light which Thou hast promised to Abraham and his seed.

Erm? "Abraham and his seed"?

Shall we forget the bloodline of Jesus and look at the bloodline of Abraham instead? Oh according to the first seventeen verses of the New Testament this amounts to the same thing.

The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

This is the very first line of the New Testament.


Saint Michael, the banner bearer, may conduct them into thelucem ferre which Thou hast promised to Abraham and his seed

[url=http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/worshippers_of_lucifer.htm]"Sing praises to the Lord which dwelleth in Zion"

Psalm 9:11[/url]

or if you prefer

Revelation 9:11

CERNUNNOS

THE GOD IN THE WILD WOOD

At the Sacred Centre, in the Grove of all Worlds, He sits with legs crossed beneath an ancient Oak. Entranced, connecting the three worlds æ Earth, Sea, and Sky æ and the worlds behind the worlds, the god and the Great Tree are One, His immense limbs widespread, stretching into distant sky and starry space. His massive trunk, spine of the Middleworld, is the heart of the Ancient Forest around which all Life, all worlds turn. His limitless root web growing deep into secret earth and Underworld. Above him the great turning circles of Sun, Moon, and Stars. All around Him subtle movements of the leaves in melodious, singing air. Everywhere the pulsing, gleaming Green awash in drifts of gold and shimmering mist. Beneath Him soft moss creeping over the dark, deep, moist of spawning earth. At His feet the great Cauldron from which the Five Rivers Flow. Through the forest stillness they come, whispering wings and secret glide, rustling leaves, and silent step, the first Ancestors, the Oldest Animals, to gather around Him: Blackbird, Keeper of the Gate; Stag of Seven Tines, Master of Time; Ancient Owl, Crone of the Night; Eagle, Lord of the Air, Eye of the Sun; and Salmon, Oldest of the Old, Wisest of the Wise leaping from the juncture of the Five Springs. He welcomes them and blesses them, and they honor Him, Cernnunos of the nut brown skin and lustrous curling hair. The god whose eyes flash star-fire, whose flesh is a reservoir of ancient waters, His cells alive with Mystery, original primeval essence Naked, phallus erect, He wears a crown of antlers limned in green fire and twined with ivy. In his right hand the Torq of gold, testament of his nobility and his sacred pledge. In his left hand the horned serpent symbol of his sexual power sacred to the Goddess.Cernnunos in His Ancient Forest, His Sacred Temple, His Holy Grove, Cernnunos and His children dream the Worlds.

"Cernnunos of the nut brown skin and lustrous curling hair. The god whose eyes flash star-fire, whose flesh is a reservoir of ancient waters, His cells alive with Mystery, original primeval essence......In his left hand the horned serpent symbol of his sexual power sacred to the Goddess"



And I always thought he had his left hand on his thigh.

Cernunnos - Cernowain - Cernenus - Herne the Hunter

OK Roscoe, OK

Before Panic sets in

There are some things we should remember:

1) The task before us is as laid out by Sauniere in his church: to defeat the devil.

2) The problem is that the whole thing is set out using symbolism that means one thing to one person and another to someone else.

3) Thousands of years of mis-belief and mis-interpretation have grown up around something that basically is very simple.

4) What we are discussing on this forum is symbolism. What happens in real life is what is important.

Having said that,



The clues scattered around are very good. As has been found previously - they work in many places and on many levels. Like pieces in a jigsaw it will be obvious when they are in the right place.



Your best link. An excellent choice. All the **** about Cowley etc can be safely ignored. The bit near the bottom under Transfiguration explains what this is about. A time of change.