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You're welcome, Shasta.
There's been theories that Saul's brand of Christianity wasn't acceptable to Bar-Yeshua, an Essene Magi.



The writer means that the magician Saul met was the son of the attributes of Jesus, which implies Jesus too was an Essene.

http://johnallegro.org/popular-press/po ... pers-1966/

Saul met Bar-Jesus, Elimas, circa 54 AD. He was with Sergius Paulus at the time (derived from rock inscriptions found at Patmos [Pathos] at Silo). The Greek island of Patmos had been a yearly gathering place for Pythagorian and Zoroastrian priests ...there was nothing sinister or magical about these men and women....except from Saul's view on the "outside" of their teachings and philosophy....
This region is also famous as the refuse of John.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Patmos

Shasta says:
Have I got this right?

The reference you give for the statement that: is a rock inscription from the Island of Patmos?

Do you have a copy of the precise words contained in that rock inscription that we might consider?

TCJ's reference suggests:

"We are thus brought to a fundamental consideration that must face us as we probe deeper and deeper into the underlying Semitic material of the New Testament. How far are these stories on the surface representative of real history?"

Regards to all

Wombat.

No, they didn't.



It proves nothing of the sort. All of the participants in this study were Kohanim. 40% of the Sephardic Kohanim and 50% of the Ashkenazic Kohanim did not have this common DNA signature. A result of 55% positive/45% negative is far from conclusive (in fact it's a mere five percentage points away from a statistical draw). Also, was a comparative study done on non-Kohanim to determine what percentage of them share this marker?

I realize that the link below links to the "Davidic" and not the "Kohanim" study, but look at the data:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yichus/default.aspx?section=yresults

These results are all over the map. Could you find 60% or even 40% here that share any common DNA signatures? I sure can't. Not having David's DNA signature, how could any of these folks be identified as true male-line descendants? There's nothing to compare these results to, no control sample.



They could also be considered crime families for all their scions who fell far short of sainthood.




It didn't take much to be made a saint in those days, given that local bishops could confirm local cults. Not unlike the ease with which members of the Roman imperial dynasties became gods after they died.

TCP

lovuian wrote:
In 1997 a remarkable DNA/genealogical breakthrough was made in the field of Jewish ancestry. In a cooperative research effort by Rambam Hospital in Haifa, Israel, The University College of London and the University of Arizona, a common DNA signature was found in the present day 'Kohanim'. The participants, all 'Kohanim', had the oral tradition of being descendants of the first High Priest of Israel, Aharon (Aaron, brother of Moses). 60% of the Sephardic Jews and 50% of the Ashkenazi Jews shared a common DNA signature, proving they were indeed descendants of the Biblical figure Aharon.

TCP believe me I understand what you are saying
but I wanted to show how an oral tradition among families ...that they were Kohanin descendants from the High Priest Aaron was passed down and that 60% of the Sephardic Jews and 50% of the Ashkenazi Jews shared a common DNA signature

that percentage is 60% in the Aaron line

Your right its not 90% or 70% ....its 60% ...and that is something to think about
So an ORAL TRADITION between families is an example

as far as the Merovingians Holy family do you know of any other family that has more saints in it?

Regarding Clothilde, whose name also appears on the list above, I am a little more familiar with her story.....I always wanted to write a full-length book about her...
She was capable of murder....but she was very generous to the Church, and in return she was given sainthood...it's all about the money...

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clotilde

I need to do some research and get back to you with the exact sources..it may take me an hour or two because I am multi-tasking and getting many things done in between these posts.... phones ringing and people at the door every ten minutes...arghhh it's one of those days...

Precisely.....the same oral traditions persisted among a certain group of Black Sephardic Jews...and among a group of Asians in India...all carried the Cohen marker and were permitted resettlement into Israel....so the Jews do recognize these DNA studies and accept the results as authentic proof...In the USA, it has become almost 100% required that anyone claiming they are part Indian-Native American blood must have DNA proof to back it up...because with it, they are entitled to tax breaks and other benefits not given to the general population...thus many people were claiming Native American blood based on family traditions- or just plain lyies..to gain benefits....so these DNA tests are becoming more and more a legal requirement acceptable in a court of law....
This article is about Jews in India and their DNA results regarding the "priest" DNA.....
"Studies of Cohens and Levites' article appeared in the Times of India..
http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts-cohen-levite.html

It would be something to start with, not something with which to render a conclusion. 60% in one subset, 50% in the other, so on average what this shows is a common marker in 55%. Not great odds, but if they're going to stop there - and especially if they're not going to do comparative sampling with non-Kohanim - then this not only looks inconclusive, it looks intentionally so. What if they found this marker at similar percentages in non-Kohanim? Could this still be considered a common trait for descendants of Aaron? Very unlikely. But if they're not willing to go there, then that suggests an unwillingness to fully test this hypothesis. Not uncommon when preliminary studies provide the results one is looking for, it's easier to stop there and declare victory.



No, but then again in their time, having been a benefactor and patron of an abbey or monastery was all that was necessary to be named as a local saint after death. No miracles required, not even piety, necessarily - just generosity. And on that playing field I don't think the Merovingians outspent the Carolingians, or the Capetians, or the Plantagenets, or the Habsburgs, or the Iberian royal dynasties, etc. etc. etc.

I've got probably a dozen saints in my lineage - d'ya think I'm holy?

TCP

paula

St TCP - saint of cuts, stings and bites

Well St TCP
I think everyone has the capacity to be holy and every life is sacred

Jesus believed to be a King and Messiah

A messiah is a savior or liberator of a people in the Jewish, Christian, Islamic or other religion.

In the Hebrew Bible a messiah (or mashiach) is a king or High Priest traditionally anointed with holy anointing oil.
They annoint the King of France with oil



A Dagobert II roi et a Sion est tresor et il est la mort’,

The Vatican named him a Saint and he was a King
just like Saint Louis ...a King and a Saint

He is also accounted a saint by the Roman Catholic Church; his feast day is 23 December

and he we go
A family oral tradition believing they came from a Holy Family
It is another example
Another Story
Plantard's story

The name of Dagobert II achieved renewed prominence from the early 1960s when Pierre Plantard fabricated a myth claiming he was descended from this monarch as part of his myth of the Priory of Sion, claiming that Dagobert II had married a Visigothic princess in the village of Rennes-le-Château. Two sets of "parchments" were fabricated by Philippe de Chérisey, Plantard's friend, containing encrypted messages in modern French within medieval Latin texts that served as part of alleged proof of the existence of this "hidden history", allegedly found by the 19th century village priest Bérenger Saunière, whilst renovating his church (this myth was a developed and revised version of the myth begun by Noël Corbu during the 1950s). Another fabrication were the alleged Merovingian genealogies that appeared in the Dossiers Secrets, planted in the Bibliothèque nationale de France in 1967. This story was published as historical fact in a 1960s French book by Gérard de Sède, entitled Le Tresor Maudit de Rennes-le-Chateau, that also reproduced Philippe de Chérisey's fabricated "parchments".

‘To Dagobert II King, and to Sion belongs this treasure and he is there dead.


Is the story heading here

However, messiahs were not exclusively Jewish kings, and the Hebrew Bible refers to Cyrus the Great, king of Persia, as a messiah. Following the death of Simon bar Kokhba, a messiah came to be a Jewish king who would rule at the end of history. In later Jewish messianic tradition and eschatology, a messiah is a leader anointed by God, and in some cases, a future King of Israel, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule the united tribes of Israel[2] and herald the Messianic Age[3] of global peace.

Another Story that millions believe
so a bloodline is deemed Holy

the bloodline of David

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagobert_II

Christians believe that prophecies in the Hebrew Bible (especially Isaiah) refer to a spiritual savior and believe Jesus to be that Messiah (Christ).

Islamic tradition holds the view that Isa, son of Maryam (aka Jesus, son of Mary), was the promised nabi (Prophet) and masih (Messiah) sent to the Israelites, and that he will again return to Earth in the end times, along with al-Mahdi, and they will defeat Masih ad-Dajjal (lit. "false Messiah"; cf. antichrist).[5]

Masih (pronounced [ˈmɑsiːħ]) is the Arabic word for messiah. In modern Arabic, it is used as one of the many titles of Jesus. Masih is used by Arab Christians as well as Muslims, and is written as Yasu' al-Masih (يسوع المسيح ) or Isa al-Masih. The word Masih literally means "The anointed one"[citation needed] and in Islam, Isa al-Masih is believed to have been anointed from birth by Alläh with the specific task of being a prophet and a king.[citation needed] The Israelites, to whom Isa was sent, had a traditional practice of anointing their kings with oil. An Imam Bukhari Hadith describes Jesus as having wet hair that looked as if water was dripping from it, possibly meaning he was naturally anointed [2]. Muslims believe that this is just one of the many signs that proves that Jesus is the Messiah.

In Jewish eschatology, the term came to refer to a future Jewish King from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age. Belief in the eventual coming of a future messiah is a fundamental part of Judaism, and is one of Maimonides' 13 Principles of Faith.[13] In Judaism, the Messiah is not considered to be God or a Son of God.

So here we have a story ...and oral tradition between families
that believe that the Bloodline of David ...will produce a future Jewish King

that is why the Bloodline of David is important to them....

It is a very important story

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah

If TCP is going to be annointed, then I'll contribute one bottle of
Lambda Olive Oil from the Speiron Co. (in Greece) for the holy oil..
If he has to be baptized in the river Jordon before sainthood,
will he be wearing only a loin cloth? Oh I'm definitely coming to this event!

It could be worse...

TCP

And England, Scotland (and Great Britain), the HRE, the Spanish kingdoms, Portugal... and just about every other Christian kingdom that anointed and crowned their rulers. And priests, and infants undergoing baptism...



Sorry, no. Dagobert was a pre-congregation saint, canonized locally by a bishop and never accepted universally by the Church.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

For several centuries the bishops, in some places only the primates and patriarchs could grant to martyrs and confessors public ecclesiastical honour; such honour, however, was always decreed only for the local territory over which the grantors held jurisdiction. Still, it was only the Bishop of Rome‘s acceptance of the cultus that made it universal, since he alone could permit or command in the Universal Church.

Towards the close of the eleventh century the popes found it necessary to restrict episcopal authority on this point, and decreed that the virtues and miracles of persons proposed for public veneration should be examined in councils, more particularly in general councils. Pope Urban VII published, in 1634, a Bull which put an end to all discussion by reserving to the Holy See exclusively not only its immemorial right of canonization, but also that of beatification.



Along with thirty others, only four of whom were canonized universally (Dagobert not being one of the four).



Plantard never said he believed such a thing, and in fact denounced the very idea of it.



Precisely. Full stop. Plantard's fairy tale said nothing about descent from Jesus and MM. Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh saddled him with that.




If the story is "heading there" it is only because people today are driving it there. I'm not interested in what those people want it all to mean or what they're willing to eliminate, contort, or otherwise undermine in order to achieve their purpose.

TCP

Wombat....I should have worded that more carefully....I apologize for rushing and not being clear..

The rock inscriptions found on Paphos at Silo were mentioned by Luke in The Book of Acts
"Apollonius..to his father...consecrated this enclosure according to his family's wishes...having filled the office of clerk, high priest, and manager of records..during the time of Proconsul Paulus..Erected 25th month Demarchexusius (54AD)
The full text about the rock inscriptions is here:(I wont cut and paste because it's rather lengthy)

http://www.hwhouse.com/images/4.SERGIUS_PAULUS_INSCRIPTION.pdf




the mention of the Eli-mas, son of Jesus, appears in Acts..13:7, as you correctly provided... I copied the following from this link:
http://biblebrowser.com/acts/13-7.htm it is much the same as what you provided..

There Elymas, a Jew, a sorcerer, opposed them, and did all he could to obstruct their progress. This justified the apostles in turning to the Gentiles, that this Jew was so malignant against them.

(1.) This Elymas was a pretender to the gift of prophecy, a sorcerer, a false-prophet-one that would be taken for a divine, because he was skilled in the arts of divination; he was a conjurer, and took on him to tell people their fortune, and to discover things lost, and probably was in league with the devil for this purpose; his name was Barjesus-the son of Joshua; it signifies the son of salvation; but the Syriac calls him, Bar-shoma-the son of pride; filius inflationis-the son of inflation.

(2.) He was hanging on at court, was with the deputy of the country. It does not appear that the deputy called for him, as he did for Barnabas and Saul; but he thrust himself upon him, aiming, no doubt, to make a hand of him, and get money by him.

(3.) He made it his business to withstand Barnabas and Saul, as the magicians of Egypt, in Pharaoh's court, withstood Moses and Aaron, 2 Tim. 3:8. He set up himself to be a messenger from heaven, and denied that they were. And thus he sought to turn away the deputy from the faith to keep him from receiving the gospel, which he saw him inclined to do. Note, Satan is in a special manner busy with great men and men of power, to keep them from being religious; because he knows that their example, whether good or bad, will have an influence upon many. And those who are in any way instrumental to prejudice people against the truths and ways of Christ are doing the devil's work.

(4.) Saul (who is here for the first time called Paul) fell upon him for this with a holy indignation. Saul, who is also called Paul, v. 9. Saul was his name as he was a Hebrew, and of the tribe of Benjamin; Paul was his name as he was a citizen of Rome. Hitherto we have had him mostly conversant among the Jews, and therefore called by his Jewish name; but now, when he is sent forth among the Gentiles, he is called by his Roman name, to put somewhat of a reputation upon him in the Roman cities, Paulus being a very common name among them. But some think he was never called Paul till now that he was instrumental in the conversion of Sergius Paulus to the faith of Christ, and that he took the name Paulus as a memorial of this victory obtained by the gospel of Christ, as among the Romans he that had conquered a country took his denomination from it, as Germanicus, Britannicus, Africanus; or rather, Sergius Paulus himself gave him the name Paulus in token of his favour and respect to him, as Vespasian gave his name Flavius to Josephus the Jew. Now of Paul it is said,

[1.] That he was filled with the Holy Ghost upon this occasion, filled with a holy zeal against a professed enemy of Christ, which was one of the graces of the Holy Ghost-a spirit of burning; filled with power to denounce the wrath of God against him, which was one of the gifts of the Holy Ghost-a spirit of judgment. He felt a more than ordinary fervour in his mind, as the prophet did when he was full of power by the Spirit of the Lord (Mic. 3:8), and another prophet when his face was made harder than flint (Eze. 3:9), and another when his mouth was made like a sharp sword, Isa. 49:2. What Paul said did not come from any personal resentment, but from the strong impressions which the Holy Ghost made upon his spirit.

[2.]......................

[3.] This Elymas, though called Bar-jesus-a son of Jesus, was really a child of the devil, bore his image, did his lusts, and served his interests, Jn. 8:44. In two things he resembled the devil as a child does his father-1. In craftiness. The serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field (Gen. 3:1), and Elymas, though void of all wisdom, was full of all subtlety, expert in all the arts of deceiving men and imposing upon them. 2. In malice. He was full of all mischief-a spiteful ill-conditioned man, and a sworn implacable enemy to God and goodness. Note, A fulness of subtlety and mischief together make a man indeed a child of the devil. Secondly, An adversary to heaven. If he be a child of the devil, it follows of course that he is an enemy to all righteousness, for the devil is so. Note, Those that are enemies to the doctrine of Christ are enemies to all righteousness, for in it all righteousness is summed up and fulfilled.

Most saints' feasts are celebrated on the anniversary of their deaths, as is the case with Dagobert.

FS

In later Jewish messianic tradition and eschatology, a messiah is a leader anointed by God, and in some cases, a future King of Israel, physically descended from the Davidic line, who will rule the united tribes of Israel[2] and herald the Messianic Age[3] of global peace.

this is the Story which is written down and told as an oral tradition from family to family

the Messiah ....is going to come from the Davidic Bloodline
that is a very imporiant point to millions

It is a Holy Family Bloodline just like Aaron's Bloodline is Holy...It is the Priestly Bloodline

TCP that is fascinating that the POPE removed Dagobert's Saint status
Dagobert was Saint for so many years
Stenay
Godefroy Bouillion owned at one time right ...where Dagobert was killed

Interesting the Vatican removed the Saint status to Dagobert

it was during the 1100's it happened ....the Crusades time...getting close to Templar times
The Bloodline of David was important in those days ....the stained glass windows show Jesse's tree at Chartres

thing is David had many wives and many children...
according to the Story

I'm just wondering why Blanche of Castile used the name Dagobert for the middle name of one of her sons
if he lost favor with the Vatican perhaps Dagobert had not lost favor in the eyes of the Angevins and Capetians

Ahhh Jesse's Tree.....I have a picture of that stained glass window in my book...

The emphasis is on the fact that the lineage of 'Jesse's Tree and the pedigree of the Rod found in Kashmir are a match.

Just as a point of historical interest, if and when David's tomb can be located and verified, what an exciting DNA project that would entail! Here is a little more info about David's tomb:



Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David%27s_Tomb

After reading these forums for a while I've had so much to say, I finally registered. I don't even know where to start, such awesome discussion going on here. I couldn't hold my tongue anymore especially when this painting came out. It is becoming clearer and clearer what the message these painters are trying to say. In this new one, you can see the lamb underneath the child without the halo. That is a clue. A sacrificial lamb, who was not divine. The divine boy is pointing to the child next to him that he will be the lamb.

I also think this is again alluding to the fact that one was divine the other was not. There is also the theory of Jesus having a twin. Which is why our age is represented by the 2 fish that are joined. This is why they needed to bring 2 people to the jews to pick which one to hang on the cross Jesus Barrabas or Jesus Christ? Which one of the brothers was the right Jesus? Was one sacrificed to save the other? What is the significance of that flower she is holding? What type of flower is it?

The one thing maybe I might start a new post about is the common themes we see in the paintings of the artists that have been known to be part of the elite behind the scenes "club".

There are some common things you see in a lot of these paintings that are curious and I'd like to look into more.

They always seem to hold very long slender sticks (I know people like to point to geometry for this but I'm not convinced)
They always have their fingers arranged in peculiar ways. USUALLY with at least one finger gently pointing in a direction. In some cases you'll see one pointing up and another pointing down (as above so below, the whole background of hermetic science etc). Of course there is always the 2 finger "Blessing" that I'm positive holds a different older occult meaning. Even in this new DaVinci painting Mary Magdelene (which is quite old for this actually) has her pinky finger in an odd position. WHY?
Sometimes the color of the attire seems to mean something about the person.
There are geographic features (obviously) in the background.
There are structural features in the background that represent numbers. I find there are a LOT of 11:11 numbers columns represented as well as doorways, and ladders. You must simply count things to get the numbers they are trying to portray.

Many more questions I have. I hope some of you can share your thoughts and ideas behind some of them.

Who on earth told you that?

Dagobert II was never canonized universally by the Catholic Church, he was and still is considered a "pre-congregation" local saint and ergo there's nothing for a Pope to remove.



I think you're making up details to fit your personal narrative, Lov. When/how did Dagobert "lose favor" with the Vatican?

TCP

TCP did you write this
Sorry, no. Dagobert was a pre-congregation saint, canonized locally by a bishop and never accepted universally by the Church.



That confused me



Well TCP
I'm just going by what your saying
Is Saint Dagobert ....a Saint?
You look like you had a problem with me calling him a Saint ...
but I see now your problem was that he was not canonized by Rome but canonized by the local Bishop

So he was NOT a Vatican canonized Saint
but he is A Saint would you say APPROVED by the Vatican
or do they have nothing to do with his Saint status?

You just pointing out excellently that the Vatican didn't make him a Saint by canonization ...they approved of his preCongregation status ...allowing Saint status to continue even though not officially canonized by the Vatican
did I get that right?


I would say it makes sense that the Vatican would not formally canonize him .....because the Vatican had a history of not supporting the Merovingian kings but the Mayor of the Palace ....who had reputations of killing the Merovingain kings ....as demonstrated in Dagobert's murder...and thus martydom


which makes sense because the Vatican tended to ally itself to the Powerful Mayors of the Palace such as Pope Zachary and Pepin did against the last Merovingian king who was Tonsured

Would you say TCP that over time the Vatican support the Merovingian dynasty or plotted against them ?

Food for thought?
It seemed the Local Bishops supported them but Rome ....what about Rome...did they name them Saints and canonize them


At the cloister of Stenay afterwards there grew a cult of Dagobert, venerated as early as 1068 as "Saint Dagobert". The cult spread from there into Lotharingia and Alsace, and Saint Dagobert is recognized by the Roman Catholic Church, like his father and many royal Merovingians.

http://saints.sqpn.com/saint-dagobert-ii/

Ok so he is a Saint ...a Pre=Congregation Saint

He is a Saint named by the local Bishop and Locals .....He isn't a canonized Vatican Saint

Here he is Catholic Online
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=2809


December 23
650 - 679

Martyred king of Austrasia. The son of King Sigebert II , Dagobert took the throne as a child and was forced into exile. Bishop Dido of Poitiers, France, took him to Ireland when Childebert was named king. Dagobert regained his throne in 675 , but he was murdered only four years later. Ebroin, the mayor of the palace, slew him on December 23 while on a hunt­ing trip. Dagobert was a friend of St. Wilfrid.

In the Catholic Online ...Dagobert is a MARTYR

It is the Mayor of the palace that slays him ....the Mayor of the Palace Pepin and Pope Zachary .... worked together to put an end to the Merovingian kingship
It is interesting that Dagobert goes to Ireland ...home of the Celtic Christian Church....and not hidden in Rome

He is also accounted a saint by the Roman Catholic Church; his feast day is 23 December

I just wanted to make it clear
I think the gray area raised by you ...is that he is not an Official saint because he was not canonized by the Vatican
but he is considered a Saint in the Roman Catholic Church ...on Catholic Online

lovuian wrote:
A Dagobert II roi et a Sion est tresor et il est la mort’,

The Vatican named him a Saint and he was a King
just like Saint Louis ...a King and a Saint


Sorry, no. Dagobert was a pre-congregation saint, canonized locally by a bishop and never accepted universally by the Church.

From The Catholic Encyclopedia:

For several centuries the bishops, in some places only the primates and patriarchs could grant to martyrs and confessors public ecclesiastical honour; such honour, however, was always decreed only for the local territory over which the grantors held jurisdiction. Still, it was only the Bishop of Rome‘s acceptance of the cultus that made it universal, since he alone could permit or command in the Universal Church.

Towards the close of the eleventh century the popes found it necessary to restrict episcopal authority on this point, and decreed that the virtues and miracles of persons proposed for public veneration should be examined in councils, more particularly in general councils. Pope Urban VII published, in 1634, a Bull which put an end to all discussion by reserving to the Holy See exclusively not only its immemorial right of canonization, but also that of beatification.


lovuian wrote:
He is also accounted a saint by the Roman Catholic Church; his feast day is 23 December

Your point was excellent
The Vatican did not malke him a Saint
I was wrong to say they MADE him a Saint ....the question Is Dagobert a Saint ....recognized by Rome?
or not

It is hard to make a Merovingian a canonized Saint by Rome
when history shows us ...they imprisoned them and tonsured one of them as Pope Zachary did
and one wonders if they particpated in Dagoberts demise?...they have a history of supporting the most powerful palace mayors

I have to agree with you Lone Crowe
there is similiarities

yes there is the Castor Pollux twins of the Mortal child and Immortal child

We know twins run in the holy family Jacob and Essau

We have Thomas Didymas (The Twin) ....
the Lost DaVinci
the two fleur de lis
one on top of the baby's head and the other on her chest
one is dark on top of the baby's head and the fleur de lis on her chest lighter

the fleur de lis for France where Da Vinci was buried


the fleur de lis decorates Da Vinci's tomb

It is the symbol for the Acadians

Yes I've done quite a bit of research on the Fleur de Lis as well. It is in my coat of arms prominently displayed in the center. The symbol actually goes all the way back to Egypt. But I think in the context that the artists (such as da Vinci) were using it, was to represent the Merivingian bloodline. There is some argument that it actually represents the Jewish circumcised phallus. If you look it closely it actually is a 6 pointed star.

It is my belief that there are two fundamental forces of energy that have a geometry that intermingle in the foundation of our universe. These two forces are displayed since ancient man has been around. The primary one is the 6 pointed star which is actually representative of the positive energy of creation and the 5 point star which represents destruction and usually is adorned by the military. Both are necessary for matter to exist. Solution and dissolution are the two forces of the universe.

Factions which I think were remnants of an ancient civilization that survived the last Ice Age survived and tried to preserve much of their history and knowledge the best they could. This would be by using large indestructible monuments, tablets written in clay and stone, and also through symbols which can surpass any language barriers. I think those factions have passed down knowledge through thousands of years. Their ultimate goal was to rise from the ashes and rebuild a technological society back to where they were before. This is represented by the rising of the phoenix (or eagle). But both use these symbols as a sort of territory marker.

But like I said the context in which these painters made their art was probably from some inside knowledge they had about the truth. Whether they were actually inside these 2 factions or not we don't know. But this definitely is a bloodline thing. 100% sure this is a bloodline behind the scenes control thing that took place at Rennes le Chateau. That is why it never saw the light of day and why we will probably never know.

I'm willing to be it was simply a treasure that was found and some information about the astro theological nature of the story of Christ. He may actually HAVE existed and may have been royal blood. His marriage would have merged two of the the most powerful tribes of Isis Ra El. But the actual story was converted as you know into a means to control the masses. People in power will do anything to protect their power. Look at the catholic church and what it "accomplished" protecting its power.

The ultimate treasure in this is the TRUTH. But the world is so distracted with what is going on in sports or other frivolous endeavors that even if we found out the truth, I doubt it would have a huge impact on any of the control structures in place.