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Surely you must know by now that I'm hip to your tricks.
What tricks do I need? Here we are 18 pages on and we are still waiting for your demonstrable facts. All we get are endless repetitions of the proposition, its conclusions with none of the demonstrable working out in between.

You are too chicken to do the working out and you waffle on about stars, alchemy, Rosicrucians, sun lines, anything but answer your own topic.


We have had endless repetitions because you cannot read.

You remind me of the joke about the man who complained to God because he wasn't winning the lottery. God came back and said " Look meet me half way, buy a ticket"

Here's something to be going on with meanwhile it's nice day outside so I wont be mixing it with you today. I have a life and you aren't worth it

However most people have realised that the word GEO - METRY literally means EARTH - MEASUREMENT.

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We have had endless repetitions because you cannot read... However most people have realised that the word GEO - METRY literally means EARTH - MEASUREMENT.
Which is why we are so interested to see your earth measurements. We cannot read what we haven't seen you do. Repeating other people's figures is not your work. Do it and you will find it cannot work according to the results you keep quoting.

Please show us your demonstration.

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the pentacle is tilted which I see in freemasonry or the Eastern star
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It was created in the 1850s by Freemason Rob Morris and his wife as a group that allowed both men and women to mix in a lodge-like setting. Men who are Masons may join, as well as women who are married or otherwise related to a Masons.

he degree ceremonies of the Order of the Eastern Star tell stories about five heroines of the Bible: Adah, Jephthah’s daughter from the Book of Judges; Ruth, the daughter-in-law of Naomi; Esther, the brave Hebrew wife of Xerxes; Martha, Lazarus’ sister, from the Gospel of John; and Electa, the “elect lady” mentioned in II John.

The pentacle as it is used in the Order of the Eastern Star represents the Star of Bethlehem, and the points of the star refer to the biblical heroines.

I'm thinking that the straight up star is more the male side and the tilted one is more the female
So Mary Magdalene would fit into the idea

It is enlightened and it is called "Estrla Flamejante" (Flaming Star). One of most used interpretations of the symbol is that it represents man (remember well known Leonasdo's drawing of a man arms and legs opene...) with Divinity inside him or Man enlightened by God.

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the pentacle is tilted which I see in freemasonry or the Eastern star
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It was created in the 1850s by Freemason Rob Morris and his wife as a group that allowed both men and women to mix in a lodge-like setting. Men who are Masons may join, as well as women who are married or otherwise related to a Masons.

he degree ceremonies of the Order of the Eastern Star tell stories about five heroines of the Bible: Adah, Jephthah’s daughter from the Book of Judges; Ruth, the daughter-in-law of Naomi; Esther, the brave Hebrew wife of Xerxes; Martha, Lazarus’ sister, from the Gospel of John; and Electa, the “elect lady” mentioned in II John.

The pentacle as it is used in the Order of the Eastern Star represents the Star of Bethlehem, and the points of the star refer to the biblical heroines.

I'm thinking that the straight up star is more the male side and the tilted one is more the female
So Mary Magdalene would fit into the idea

It is enlightened and it is called "Estrla Flamejante" (Flaming Star). One of most used interpretations of the symbol is that it represents man (remember well known Leonasdo's drawing of a man arms and legs opene...) with Divinity inside him or Man enlightened by God.

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We have had endless repetitions because you cannot read... However most people have realised that the word GEO - METRY literally means EARTH - MEASUREMENT.
Which is why we are so interested to see your earth measurements. We cannot read what we haven't seen you do. Repeating other people's figures is not your work. Do it and you will find it cannot work according to the results you keep quoting.

Please show us your demonstration.

Yesterday you almost seemed to show a sense of humour at the chicken joke. Today you are enjoying the sunshine. There is a touch of humanity in you after all.


The Abbé de Fleury was born in Lodève in the Languedoc in 1653 and was the bishop of Fréjus in 1698 and became the preceptor for the young King Louis XV in 1715. He was a member of the Academy of Sciences and was a Cardinal and Prime Minister by 1726 at the age of 73. He extended the library for the King but interestingly he sent many of the members of the Academy of Sciences to the North and to Peru to measure the meridian. He also sent scholars to Egypt and Greece to search for precious manuscripts.

Interestingly Soularac is mentioned in a report of a meridian measurement by the well respected astronomer Delambre in 3 volumes of work from 1806 to 1810 that followed ground measurements in 1797 by Méchain here it is referred to as Eastern Peak of the Saint-Bartholémy Mount and the “Peak of Estangtost”. Delambre was born in Amiens in 1749 and was an astronomer and mathematician; he was a remarkable man who had a childhood illness which gave him the fear that he would soon go blind. As a result of this he read every book that was available to him and immersed himself in Greek and Latin literature. He also acquired the ability to memorise entire pages and to recite them verbally word for word. He also became fluent in Italian, English and German and even published a book called “Rules and methods to easily learn English.”. However his interest in astronomy is quite relevant to our story and Delambre’s contribution to the science of Astronomy is so great that he has a crater on the moon named after him.

Delambre published details of the whole project in Base du système métrique. The first of the three volumes, containing the history of measurement of the Earth and the project's triangulation data, was published in 1806. When Delambre presented it to Napoleon, the emperor said:
“Conquests will come and go but this work will endure”

In 1809, Napoleon requested that the Académie des Sciences award a prize for the best scientific publication of the decade, the award went to Delambre for his work on the meridian.

The very word meridian seems to have a curious etymology and can be associated with the name Mary or Mari and is of course any line drawn the shortest distance around the earth’s surface from the North Pole to the South Pole. This would be designated as a datum line usually given zero degrees from which the West/East circumference would be segmented into 360 equal degrees. So each hour the earth will rotate 15 degrees. The word Meridian is largely thought to have stemmed from the Old French word for noon, literally medhyo-dyeu - mid day. However the word dyeu, although now taken to mean day is in fact directly from the word for god and the same base from which the Latin word dei stems. The name for the Indo-European God Jupiter is from the vocative compound dyeu – pater (God father) and Diana is from the Latin Diā – na (literally Moon Goddess). Even Asmodeus is from Aēšma-Daēva, which if we are to translate literally using Zoroastrianism is literally Wrath of God from the Avestan old Persian language. The marking of the meridian is therefore directly linked to a god or goddess and taken literally could in fact mean the Goddess Mari – Mari-dyeu.

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Mesures altimétriques: un point géodésique de "premier ordre"

Après une mesure ponctuelle de notre pic par François de Plantade durant le premier tiers du XVIIIe siècle, les premières mesures géodésiques visant à effectuer un "nivellement général", c'est à dire une détermination de tous les principaux sommets de la chaîne des Pyrénées, remontent aux travaux du géodésien H. Reboul, assisté de l'astronome J. Vidal, entre 1787 et 1789.

Dès ces premières mesures géodésiques, le Pic de Saint-Barthélemy a été considéré, de par son panorama, comme "point géodésique de premier ordre", c'est à dire un point nécessaire à la triangulation principale. Pour le Pic de Saint-Barthélemy, Reboul avait trouvé une élévation de 2322.5 m par des mesures effectuées le 9 septembre 1789 "à la Montagne d'Appy, Tabe, ou St-Barthélemy", et vérifiées par Vidal (cela ne rehaussait que de quelque mètres la mesure de Plantade qui était de 2319 m). Ensuite ces deux mêmes scientifiques avaient entrepris une nouvelle campagne de mesures, plus précise, entre 1816 et 1817, dont les résultats ont été cités par plusieurs auteurs. Le statut de "point géodésique de premier ordre" dont a joui dès le début le Pic de Saint-Barthélemy, fait qu'il a été toisé à chaque nouvelle campagne de mesure.

Ensuite, il faut savoir que le Pic de Saint-Barthélemy a reçu l'insigne honneur de faire partie de la petite centaine de points remarquables choisis de part et d'autre du "méridien de l'Observatoire" pour mener à bien "la mesure du monde", comme disaient les révolutionnaires, ceci afin de définir une unité de longueur totalement nouvelle et "universelle": le mètre.


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the pentacle is tilted which I see in freemasonry or the Eastern star
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It was created in the 1850s by Freemason Rob Morris and his wife as a group that allowed both men and women to mix in a lodge-like setting. Men who are Masons may join, as well as women who are married or otherwise related to a Masons.

he degree ceremonies of the Order of the Eastern Star tell stories about five heroines of the Bible: Adah, Jephthah’s daughter from the Book of Judges; Ruth, the daughter-in-law of Naomi; Esther, the brave Hebrew wife of Xerxes; Martha, Lazarus’ sister, from the Gospel of John; and Electa, the “elect lady” mentioned in II John.

The pentacle as it is used in the Order of the Eastern Star represents the Star of Bethlehem, and the points of the star refer to the biblical heroines.

I'm thinking that the straight up star is more the male side and the tilted one is more the female
So Mary Magdalene would fit into the idea

It is enlightened and it is called "Estrla Flamejante" (Flaming Star). One of most used interpretations of the symbol is that it represents man (remember well known Leonasdo's drawing of a man arms and legs opene...) with Divinity inside him or Man enlightened by God.

Aggrippas star
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The Orbit of the planet Venus as seen over eight years.



Thanks Roscoe that explains it ...Venus's pattern
the pentacle is slightly tilted

Roscoe when I visited my relatives in Austria
I visited Konigsee in Germany
Konigsee was a favorite vacation home for the Bavarian kings

there is a church named St Batholoma
http://youtu.be/ciJ9QOvhL_A
What I found at the church is an amazing picture
It was station XIII of the cross
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It was Christ being held by his mother and kneeling next to him was a woman angel and a baby angel
It is a picture of a Holy Family
I guess I'm saying the Bavarian kings had a interesting take on the Holy Family

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Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.
Psalm 9:11

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"1927 "The face of the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." (Creation; 1927; 2,175,000 ed.; p. 94)

1928 "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;..." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)

1928 "The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)"


Extracts from Zion's Watchtower The journal of the Jehovah's wWtnessess


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THE SEVEN STARS

Q: To what does the masonic emblem of the seven stars allude?

A: To the Pleiades, or seven stars in Taurus. These stars were called by the Romans Vergili, or Virgins of Spring. The constellation Taurus was anciently at the vernal equinox, and the year formerly then began. Thus Virgil, referring to a remoter age, in the "Georgics," Book I, says:

"Candidus auratis aperit cum
Cornibus annum taurus."

"When the bright bull with gilded horns opens the year."

Job speaks of the Pleaides, also, as exerting "a sweet influence," expressive of the balmy air of spring which accompanies the approach of the sun to the constellation Taurus and the "seven stars." This masonic emblem, therefore, has a direct allusion to the vernal equinox, and thus becomes a beautiful symbol of immortality, reminding us, also,, of that starry home beyond the grave to which the soul of man aspires. It was for these reasons that, of all the "hosts of heaven," the Pleiades were selected as an emblem by our ancient brethren. THE MASONIC LADDER OF THREE ROUNDS


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Ladder of three rounds to Pleiades

Q: What is the signification of the ladder of three rounds, and why is it represented as leading up to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades?

A: This emblem is clearly but a modification of the latter of the Mysteries, consisting, as we have seen, of seven rounds - and is of the same general astronomical meaning. The sun, when ascending from the winter solstice to the vernal equinox, the constellation Taurus, and the Pleiades, or seven stars, situated therein, passes successively through three signs of the zodiac, to wit, Aquarius, Pisces, and Aries. These three signs are therefore emblematically represented by a ladder of three principal rounds, by means of which the sun climbs up from the point of his lowest southern declination to the vernal equinox and the "seven stars" in Taurus. The foregoing is the emblem of the masonic ladder as generally represented.
THE ZODIACAL LADDER

Ladder of three rounds on the zodiac to Pleiades

The emblematic meaning now attached to the masonic ladder, which refers it to the one "Jacob saw in his vision," is neither lost nor sacrificed, even if we admit the probable origin of the emblem in that of the ancient mysteries. Its symbolism is, however, thus made more extended and impressive, so that we gain rather than lose by so referring it.

The initiation into all the ancient mysteries, it will be remembered, was a drama founded upon the astronomical allegory of the death and resurrection of the sun, and was intended to, and did, impress upon the mind of the candidate, in the strongest manner possible, the two great doctrines of the unity of God and the immortality of man.

These are to-day the two great fundamental principles of Freemasonry, and are illustrated and taught in a similar manner in the ritual of the third degree.

The solar allegory and emblems of the ancient mysteries have, however, a twofold meaning:

1) Being founded, as before stated, on the passage of the sun among the twelve constellations of the zodiac - his overthrow by the three autumnal months, his return to life at the vernal equinox, and his exaltation at the summer solstice they therefore taught and illustrated all the leading principles of astronomy, and thus had an important scientific value to the initiated.

2) By personifying the sun, and requiring the candidate to represent him, the whole solar phenomena were exhibited in an allegorical manner, and became symbolical of the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The ladder of the Mysteries, being but an emblem intended to illustrate the main solar allegory, had the same twofold symbolism.

When full explained to the initiated, it fixed upon the mind certain great facts in astronomical science. It taught the order and position of the signs of the zodiac; the ascent of the sun from the point of his lowest declination below the equator to that of his highest above it, by seven equal gradiated steps. It also taught the duration of and order of the seasons, the length of the solar year, and many other particulars of the greatest importance ot agriculture, as well as to science and art generally.

The emblem, viewed in an allegorical sense, also taught, by solar analogy, the unity of God and the life everlasting. The ladder in this sense was the emblem of the ascent into heaven from the lower hemisphere - the underworld of darkness, winter, and death. This mystic ladder leads to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades, shining in the constelation Taurus, at the golden gates of spring. It mounted still onward and upward, to the summint of the Royal Arch of heaven, thus emblematically teaching us that by the ladder of virtue the soul of man will at last pierce the "cloudy canopy," and mount to the highest circle of "the starry-decked heavens," to dwell for ever triumphant over death and the grave.

Thus, it is logical that the Pleiades as a Masonic symbol in America is as old as the craft's beginnings on this continent due to its importance in the old country. It was only a matter of years after 1717 that Speculative Masons, later called "Moderns," were setting up shop in Boston and the Carolinas. Masonic aprons, engravings, and other paraphanalia were emblazoned with a grouping of 7 stars, and this practice continues to this day (see Figure x). As discussed in the Sibly treatise, the chart for the Grand Lodge of London boasts the Moon conjunct the Pleiades.


From Stella Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Robert Hewitt Brown - 32°

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Masonic drinking glass - Note the seven stars (Seven Sisters) over the left hand pillar forming the Kocav David (or the hexagram to you and me)

By the way the image in my signature is a stone that was found on the Paris Meridian refers to the Anti-pope St Ursinus, whom you will also remember was mentioned by Philippe de Cherisey.

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It's not IN St Acheul it's in a sand pit close by.

You'd have been great in General Custer's Army.

It seems the point always misses you.

URCINUS? - Philippe de Cherisey?

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L'origine du mot Sion vient du mot sioun. Sa traduction littérale est une borne ou un monument servant à conserver la mémoire des morts :


Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.
Psalm 9:11

Quote:
"1927 "The face of the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." (Creation; 1927; 2,175,000 ed.; p. 94)

1928 "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;..." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)

1928 "The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)"


Extracts from Zion's Watchtower The journal of the Jehovah's wWtnessess


Quote:
THE SEVEN STARS

Q: To what does the masonic emblem of the seven stars allude?

A: To the Pleiades, or seven stars in Taurus. These stars were called by the Romans Vergili, or Virgins of Spring. The constellation Taurus was anciently at the vernal equinox, and the year formerly then began. Thus Virgil, referring to a remoter age, in the "Georgics," Book I, says:

"Candidus auratis aperit cum
Cornibus annum taurus."

"When the bright bull with gilded horns opens the year."

Job speaks of the Pleaides, also, as exerting "a sweet influence," expressive of the balmy air of spring which accompanies the approach of the sun to the constellation Taurus and the "seven stars." This masonic emblem, therefore, has a direct allusion to the vernal equinox, and thus becomes a beautiful symbol of immortality, reminding us, also,, of that starry home beyond the grave to which the soul of man aspires. It was for these reasons that, of all the "hosts of heaven," the Pleiades were selected as an emblem by our ancient brethren. THE MASONIC LADDER OF THREE ROUNDS


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Ladder of three rounds to Pleiades

Q: What is the signification of the ladder of three rounds, and why is it represented as leading up to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades?

A: This emblem is clearly but a modification of the latter of the Mysteries, consisting, as we have seen, of seven rounds - and is of the same general astronomical meaning. The sun, when ascending from the winter solstice to the vernal equinox, the constellation Taurus, and the Pleiades, or seven stars, situated therein, passes successively through three signs of the zodiac, to wit, Aquarius, Pisces, and Aries. These three signs are therefore emblematically represented by a ladder of three principal rounds, by means of which the sun climbs up from the point of his lowest southern declination to the vernal equinox and the "seven stars" in Taurus. The foregoing is the emblem of the masonic ladder as generally represented.
THE ZODIACAL LADDER

Ladder of three rounds on the zodiac to Pleiades

The emblematic meaning now attached to the masonic ladder, which refers it to the one "Jacob saw in his vision," is neither lost nor sacrificed, even if we admit the probable origin of the emblem in that of the ancient mysteries. Its symbolism is, however, thus made more extended and impressive, so that we gain rather than lose by so referring it.

The initiation into all the ancient mysteries, it will be remembered, was a drama founded upon the astronomical allegory of the death and resurrection of the sun, and was intended to, and did, impress upon the mind of the candidate, in the strongest manner possible, the two great doctrines of the unity of God and the immortality of man.

These are to-day the two great fundamental principles of Freemasonry, and are illustrated and taught in a similar manner in the ritual of the third degree.

The solar allegory and emblems of the ancient mysteries have, however, a twofold meaning:

1) Being founded, as before stated, on the passage of the sun among the twelve constellations of the zodiac - his overthrow by the three autumnal months, his return to life at the vernal equinox, and his exaltation at the summer solstice they therefore taught and illustrated all the leading principles of astronomy, and thus had an important scientific value to the initiated.

2) By personifying the sun, and requiring the candidate to represent him, the whole solar phenomena were exhibited in an allegorical manner, and became symbolical of the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The ladder of the Mysteries, being but an emblem intended to illustrate the main solar allegory, had the same twofold symbolism.

When full explained to the initiated, it fixed upon the mind certain great facts in astronomical science. It taught the order and position of the signs of the zodiac; the ascent of the sun from the point of his lowest declination below the equator to that of his highest above it, by seven equal gradiated steps. It also taught the duration of and order of the seasons, the length of the solar year, and many other particulars of the greatest importance ot agriculture, as well as to science and art generally.

The emblem, viewed in an allegorical sense, also taught, by solar analogy, the unity of God and the life everlasting. The ladder in this sense was the emblem of the ascent into heaven from the lower hemisphere - the underworld of darkness, winter, and death. This mystic ladder leads to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades, shining in the constelation Taurus, at the golden gates of spring. It mounted still onward and upward, to the summint of the Royal Arch of heaven, thus emblematically teaching us that by the ladder of virtue the soul of man will at last pierce the "cloudy canopy," and mount to the highest circle of "the starry-decked heavens," to dwell for ever triumphant over death and the grave.

Thus, it is logical that the Pleiades as a Masonic symbol in America is as old as the craft's beginnings on this continent due to its importance in the old country. It was only a matter of years after 1717 that Speculative Masons, later called "Moderns," were setting up shop in Boston and the Carolinas. Masonic aprons, engravings, and other paraphanalia were emblazoned with a grouping of 7 stars, and this practice continues to this day (see Figure x). As discussed in the Sibly treatise, the chart for the Grand Lodge of London boasts the Moon conjunct the Pleiades.


From Stella Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Robert Hewitt Brown - 32°

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The Ladder of the three rounds

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Masonic drinking glass - Note the seven stars (Seven Sisters) over the left hand pillar forming the Kocav David (or the hexagram to you and me)



Since the nae-sayers didn't like this bit I thought I'd post it again.

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The grave of Charles Taze Russell (chairman of the Jehovah's Witnessess) - outside the Pittsburgh MASONIC center.

Pyramid - once called God's Stone WITNESSESS

Russell makes an interesting comment HERE reference Alcyone and the Pyramid - God's Stone Witness.

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The star Alcyone was EXACTLY due west from Washington DC at the precise moment the transponder of American airlines Flight 11 was turned off (ie the instance the hijackings commenced). The star Sirius was EXACTLY due south of New York City at an angle of 33° at this precise moment. This mutual event was repeated at the commencement of the Light Ceremony at Ground zero of 11th March 2002.

Lots of people (mostly in America) think that God lives in Alcyone. They use WATCHTOWERS (like the Tour Magdala/ Tour d'Alchemie) to make their observations.

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Since the nae-sayers didn't like this bit I thought I'd post it again.

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The grave of Charles Taze Russell (chairman of the Jehovah's Witnessess) - outside the Pittsburgh MASONIC center.



Wow, great work Roscoe. But wrong again :cry: The pyramid is not Russels grave. It`s more of a Watch Tower Society Memorial, as I believe they owned some burial plots in the cemetery. The cemetery, Rosemont United Cemetery, was present for decades before the Masonic Center was built. Russel died in 1916, the pyramid was erected in 1921, and the Masonic Center in the 1990`s. http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/time_.html Next time I`m in the area I`ll stop by and take a gander. The title Jehovah`s Witness wasn`t born until 1931, Russel died in 1916 must have been hard to hold that chairman position as a dead man.


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Since the nae-sayers didn't like this bit I thought I'd post it again.

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The grave of Charles Taze Russell (chairman of the Jehovah's Witnessess) - outside the Pittsburgh MASONIC center.



Wow, great work Roscoe. But wrong again :cry: The pyramid is not Russels grave. It`s more of a Watch Tower Society Memorial, as I believe they owned some burial plots in the cemetery. The cemetery, Rosemont United Cemetery, was present for decades before the Masonic Center was built. Russel died in 1916, the pyramid was erected in 1921, and the Masonic Center in the 1990`s. http://www.pastor-russell.com/life/time_.html Next time I`m in the area I`ll stop by and take a gander. The title Jehovah`s Witness wasn`t born until 1931, Russel died in 1916 must have been hard to hold that chairman position as a dead man.


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L'origine du mot Sion vient du mot sioun. Sa traduction littérale est une borne ou un monument servant à conserver la mémoire des morts :


Sing praises to the LORD, which dwelleth in Zion: declare among the people his doings.
Psalm 9:11

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"1927 "The face of the deep, of course, would be toward the Pleiades, which are claimed to be the habitation of Jehovah." (Creation; 1927; 2,175,000 ed.; p. 94)

1928 "The constellation of the seven stars forming the Pleiades appears to be the crowning center around which the known systems of the planets revolve even as our sun's planets obey the sun and travel in their respective orbits. It has been suggested, and with much weight, that one of the stars of that group is the dwelling-place of Jehovah and the place of the highest heavens;..." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)

1928 "The constellation of the Pleiades is a small one compared with others which scientific instruments disclose to the wondering eyes of man. But the greatness in size of other stars or planets is small when compared with the Pleiades in importance, because the Pleiades is the place of the eternal throne of God." (Reconciliation; 1928; p. 14)"


Extracts from Zion's Watchtower The journal of the Jehovah's wWtnessess


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THE SEVEN STARS

Q: To what does the masonic emblem of the seven stars allude?

A: To the Pleiades, or seven stars in Taurus. These stars were called by the Romans Vergili, or Virgins of Spring. The constellation Taurus was anciently at the vernal equinox, and the year formerly then began. Thus Virgil, referring to a remoter age, in the "Georgics," Book I, says:

"Candidus auratis aperit cum
Cornibus annum taurus."

"When the bright bull with gilded horns opens the year."

Job speaks of the Pleaides, also, as exerting "a sweet influence," expressive of the balmy air of spring which accompanies the approach of the sun to the constellation Taurus and the "seven stars." This masonic emblem, therefore, has a direct allusion to the vernal equinox, and thus becomes a beautiful symbol of immortality, reminding us, also,, of that starry home beyond the grave to which the soul of man aspires. It was for these reasons that, of all the "hosts of heaven," the Pleiades were selected as an emblem by our ancient brethren. THE MASONIC LADDER OF THREE ROUNDS


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Ladder of three rounds to Pleiades

Q: What is the signification of the ladder of three rounds, and why is it represented as leading up to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades?

A: This emblem is clearly but a modification of the latter of the Mysteries, consisting, as we have seen, of seven rounds - and is of the same general astronomical meaning. The sun, when ascending from the winter solstice to the vernal equinox, the constellation Taurus, and the Pleiades, or seven stars, situated therein, passes successively through three signs of the zodiac, to wit, Aquarius, Pisces, and Aries. These three signs are therefore emblematically represented by a ladder of three principal rounds, by means of which the sun climbs up from the point of his lowest southern declination to the vernal equinox and the "seven stars" in Taurus. The foregoing is the emblem of the masonic ladder as generally represented.
THE ZODIACAL LADDER

Ladder of three rounds on the zodiac to Pleiades

The emblematic meaning now attached to the masonic ladder, which refers it to the one "Jacob saw in his vision," is neither lost nor sacrificed, even if we admit the probable origin of the emblem in that of the ancient mysteries. Its symbolism is, however, thus made more extended and impressive, so that we gain rather than lose by so referring it.

The initiation into all the ancient mysteries, it will be remembered, was a drama founded upon the astronomical allegory of the death and resurrection of the sun, and was intended to, and did, impress upon the mind of the candidate, in the strongest manner possible, the two great doctrines of the unity of God and the immortality of man.

These are to-day the two great fundamental principles of Freemasonry, and are illustrated and taught in a similar manner in the ritual of the third degree.

The solar allegory and emblems of the ancient mysteries have, however, a twofold meaning:

1) Being founded, as before stated, on the passage of the sun among the twelve constellations of the zodiac - his overthrow by the three autumnal months, his return to life at the vernal equinox, and his exaltation at the summer solstice they therefore taught and illustrated all the leading principles of astronomy, and thus had an important scientific value to the initiated.

2) By personifying the sun, and requiring the candidate to represent him, the whole solar phenomena were exhibited in an allegorical manner, and became symbolical of the unity of God and the immortality of the soul. The ladder of the Mysteries, being but an emblem intended to illustrate the main solar allegory, had the same twofold symbolism.

When full explained to the initiated, it fixed upon the mind certain great facts in astronomical science. It taught the order and position of the signs of the zodiac; the ascent of the sun from the point of his lowest declination below the equator to that of his highest above it, by seven equal gradiated steps. It also taught the duration of and order of the seasons, the length of the solar year, and many other particulars of the greatest importance ot agriculture, as well as to science and art generally.

The emblem, viewed in an allegorical sense, also taught, by solar analogy, the unity of God and the life everlasting. The ladder in this sense was the emblem of the ascent into heaven from the lower hemisphere - the underworld of darkness, winter, and death. This mystic ladder leads to the "seven stars," or the Pleiades, shining in the constelation Taurus, at the golden gates of spring. It mounted still onward and upward, to the summint of the Royal Arch of heaven, thus emblematically teaching us that by the ladder of virtue the soul of man will at last pierce the "cloudy canopy," and mount to the highest circle of "the starry-decked heavens," to dwell for ever triumphant over death and the grave.

Thus, it is logical that the Pleiades as a Masonic symbol in America is as old as the craft's beginnings on this continent due to its importance in the old country. It was only a matter of years after 1717 that Speculative Masons, later called "Moderns," were setting up shop in Boston and the Carolinas. Masonic aprons, engravings, and other paraphanalia were emblazoned with a grouping of 7 stars, and this practice continues to this day (see Figure x). As discussed in the Sibly treatise, the chart for the Grand Lodge of London boasts the Moon conjunct the Pleiades.


From Stella Theology and Masonic Astronomy by Robert Hewitt Brown - 32°

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The Ladder of the three rounds

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Masonic drinking glass - Note the seven stars (Seven Sisters) over the left hand pillar forming the Kocav David (or the hexagram to you and me)



Since the nae-sayers didn't like this bit I thought I'd post it again.

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The grave of Charles Taze Russell (chairman of the Jehovah's Witnessess) - outside the Pittsburgh MASONIC center.

Pyramid - once called God's Stone WITNESSESS

Russell makes an interesting comment HERE reference Alcyone and the Pyramid - God's Stone Witness.

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The star Alcyone was EXACTLY due west from Washington DC at the precise moment the transponder of American airlines Flight 11 was turned off (ie the instance the hijackings commenced). The star Sirius was EXACTLY due south of New York City at an angle of 33° at this precise moment. This mutual event was repeated at the commencement of the Light Ceremony at Ground zero of 11th March 2002.

Lots of people (mostly in America) think that God lives in Alcyone. They use WATCHTOWERS (like the Tour Magdala/ Tour d'Alchemie) to make their observations.

Alcyone is their perception of ZION.


Yes the old hair splitting brigade came along and conveniently ignored this.


I guess that's so it get lost in the usual snow job of anything not sanctioned by the IBJ groupies.

T'ain't gonna appen.

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Roscoe, your obsession with conspiracies is getting to your head. How about that Olympic bombing...let me guess, your insane ranting done here on Arcadia put a stop to the potential threat. Well done, the world world is at your mercy :roll:


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But I don't get too bogged down with all the arguments about precision, and narrowing it all down to the nearest millimetre, because to me that's to miss the wood for the trees.

Part of the problem is that Henry Lincoln declared the pentacle to be 'perfect'. That's a pretty hard standard to prove and not difficult to disprove. In fact, it's easy to disprove if we insist that the pentacle has to hit certain fixed points. That is the 'fixed point' method favoured by debunkers. A more charitable approach is the 'best fit' approach in which none of the points are necessarily touched but the pentacle is fitted to the 5 points such that the overall margin of error is low.

But anyway, the point shouldn't be the precision of the pentacle, the point should be... Did anyone know or care about it before Henry Lincoln came along with his felt tip markers? Or was it a mute geographic fact of which humanity was unaware?

The other point to remember is that Henry only has to be right about one of his geometric figures. Henry may have gone a little overboard in his quest to find an overall geometric pattern in the landscape. As a result, one may able to find inaccuracies or wishful thinking in his mass of data. It is easy (but wrong) to then dismiss the entire project. He may have been better off concentrating on just one or two landscape features that have more data points. The circle of churches around Esperaza or the circle around 'point x' for examples. Regardless of the distasteful politics and rhetorical overstatement of certain landscape geometry enthusiasts, if either of these circles were knowingly laid out then we have a true mystery on our hands.

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This is how roscoe admits he's wrong:
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It's not IN St Acheul it's in a sand pit close by.

:lol: side splitting!

Actually, it's in the British Museum.

However, if you think you know better you'd better tell the British Museum about that and correct its provenance:
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from a sand pit near St.-Acheul, Amiens, dép. Somme, France; found 1858 (Dusevel 1858).

Regards to all

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But I don't get too bogged down with all the arguments about precision, and narrowing it all down to the nearest millimetre, because to me that's to miss the wood for the trees.

Part of the problem is that Henry Lincoln declared the pentacle to be 'perfect'. That's a pretty hard standard to prove and not difficult to disprove. In fact, it's easy to disprove if we insist that the pentacle has to hit certain fixed points. That is the 'fixed point' method favoured by debunkers. A more charitable approach is the 'best fit' approach in which none of the points are necessarily touched but the pentacle is fitted to the 5 points such that the overall margin of error is low.

But anyway, the point shouldn't be the precision of the pentacle, the point should be... Did anyone know or care about it before Henry Lincoln came along with his felt tip markers? Or was it a mute geographic fact of which humanity was unaware?

The other point to remember is that Henry only has to be right about one of his geometric figures. Henry may have gone a little overboard in his quest to find an overall geometric pattern in the landscape. As a result, one may able to find inaccuracies or wishful thinking in his mass of data. It is easy (but wrong) to then dismiss the entire project. He may have been better off concentrating on just one or two landscape features that have more data points. The circle of churches around Esperaza or the circle around 'point x' for examples. Regardless of the distasteful politics and rhetorical overstatement of certain landscape geometry enthusiasts, if either of these circles were knowingly laid out then we have a true mystery on our hands.


Do you have the IGN 2347 OT Quillan map?

It works and not with a felt tip pen. Your answer to this will indicate to me whether you've actually read Lincoln's books or not. Because right now I'm of the opinion that you haven't.

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The following is a conversation written by Plantard in 1978 (i.e. Before Holy Blood Holy Grail and the Shadow of the Templars)

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I was unable to keep the promise I had made ​​to Miss Marie Dénarnaud back to see the next year. In 1939 it was war. The events that followed only helped me return to my country and to review the Razes Rennes-Le-Chateau in 1965. The Marquis Philippe de Cherisey with me. He's a friend I know for a long time and is very interested in the history of Rennes. Miss Dénarnaud, having gradually closed out the furniture she owned and sold his domains to Dr. Noel Corbu, had been dead a dozen years. The new owner who had transformed the villa into a hotel Bethania received us very well. He told us the "new history of the treasure of Rennes-Le-Château" in great detail, which left us stunned. From this meeting I keep the memory of the following dialogue:

Cherisey - Have you read the book of Boudet?

Noel Corbu - No, it has just been published ...

Cherisey - He was in 1886, your church is an illustration.

Noel Corbu - You do not believe the treasure of Rennes-Le-Château?

Me - There is no treasure in the territory of Rennes-Le-Château.

Noel Corbu - You disagree with the excavation?

I - I disagree with the treasure hunters who continue to vandalize property. It is not by making holes in Roc-Negro in Blanchefort, the Madeleine, the mines of Jais or devil they discover something.

There are only found reference points for geometrizing certain places.

My partner left the area a few months later, and Mr. Buthion, very nice man, succeeded him at Rennes-Le-Château

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