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Sauniere's last words were suppose to be John 23
Noel Corbu owner of Villa Bethanie who bought it from Marie
The storyteller of the legend of the Treasure of Blanche Castile
has a connection with Pope John XXIII
Roncali was in charge of the dossier made by Corbu's request for scholarship of his children
which after being turned down by the Bishop was granted by the Vatican

Roncali became Pope John XXIII initiator of Vatican II
http://www.perillos.com/johnxxiii_2.html



Judging by that and other signs, it would appear that Roncalli was affiliated with the Rose-Croix, the Rosicrucians, a society founded by Christian Rosenkreutz, a German, who was born in 1378. But according to its own claims, “The Order of the Rose and Cross has existed from time immemorial, and its mystic rites were practiced and its wisdom taught in Egypt. Eleusis, Samothrace, Persia, Chaldea, India, and in far, more distant lands, and thus were handed down to posterity the Secret Wisdom of the Ancient Ages.”

The colours red and black were held in reverence by the Gnostics and have been much in use by the diabolists. They are also the colours of Kali, the divine Mother of Hindu mythology; thus providing one of the several resemblances that occur between deviations from Christianity and pre-Christianity cults. It may be noted that they figured on the banners of the International Anarchist Movement, whose prophet was Mikhail Bakunin (1814-1876), a pioneer of libertarianism as opposed to State socialism.
http://www.truecatholic.us/brokencross.htm
The writer tells us that the Vatican had been infiltrated by many different secret societies and had their influence felt on the nomination of Roncali

the tile in the Tour has the center of red and black which points to the spiral staircase that points to the window to the Grotto of Magdalene

But the stairs lead to the Belvedere some say Sauniere is found collapsed
On January 17, the anniversary of the death of Marie de Negre d'Ables and is also the feast day of Saint-Sulpice

Until it starts belching white smoke, signifying the election of a new pope...



TCP

With Pope John XXII as well...

TCP

Really TCP how?

Aha I found it
Noel Corbu sold Rennes and then bought

Saint-Félix-Lauragais
1167, the first Cathar Synod was held.
in the 14th century, the castle was transformed into a palace by a brother of Pope John XXII. When Corbu acquired it – and his death shortly afterwards – the castle was in private hands, though in the past two decades

Corbu lived at Bugarach before buying the Villa Bethania

it was Corbu who forced the Vatican to pay for the education of his children… a “deal” engineered with Roncalli, the future Pope John XXIII, the man who would later reform Christianity with “Vatican II”, whose primary focus was the redefinition – adaptation – of Christianity to modern times… and which was, of course, another Synod.

http://www.perillos.com/stfelix.html

There is Belvedere at Saint Felix Laragais also ...it has a view

It had a convent of Parfaits
and Montfort destroyed it
he threw his sword in the well
The Chateau has engravings like
Knights Templar's Chapel in Montsaunes in the Beaujolais region in the east of France.
http://www.vans-de-france.com/where-to-go/places-to-discover/16-st-felix-de-lauragais

Pierre Duèze, Seigneur de Saint-Félix
Pope John XXII brother
lived in a palace
Family of the Cahors

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Dueze

Pierre Duèze († 1326) est le frère de Jacques Duèze qui fut Pape sous le nom de Jean XXII au XIVe siècle.

Il s'était fait construire vers 1300 un palais en haut de la ville de Cahors, dont il subsiste aujourd'hui une tour et quelques pans de murs.

En 1317 Pierre Duèze a acheté, de Bernard de Lautrec, le vicomté de Carmain (Caraman, Haute-Garonne) et la baronnie de Saint-Félix-de-Carmain (aujourd'hui Saint-Félix-Lauragais) confirmé par lettres-patentes du roi Charles IV en 1324. Son fils aîné, Arnaud Duèze, ou de Vèze, fut créé comte romain par son oncle Jean XXII par bref en 1328.

Lien externe

* (fr) Généalogie de la famille Duèze, puis Caraman

TCP

Saint Felix Laragais
The village is also known under the name of Saint-Félix-de-Caraman. In 1167 the Cathars gather here at the Synod of St. Felix , chaired by the priest Nicetas bishop of the Bogomils . He consoled Cathar bishops of France (north), Lombardy , Toulouse , Albi , Agen and Carcassonne .

Sicard Alaman (circa 1210 - 10 June 1275 ) was a knight , lord of Saint-Sulpice (Tarn) , and Bonnafous (currently Castelnau de Lévis ).

He was minister of the Count of Toulouse Raymond VII , and regent of the County of Toulouse in September 1249 a majority of the Countess Jeanne .

In 1235, Sicard Alaman receives the fief of Raymond VII, Count of Toulouse with permission to erect a fortification. He built the bastide of Castelnau-de-Bonnafous , former name of the castle.

He married Beatrix de Toulouse-Lautrec , Lady Graulhet .

Lieutenant of the Albigensians of Toulouse, the Rouergue , the Quercy and the Agen .

In 1250 , he matte rebellion Castle Najac who had been driven by the fact that the death of Raymond VII , in 1248 , Alphonse de Poitiers , brother of Louis IX became owner of the castle.

It is also the founder of new towns (or country houses ) of Bouloc of Montastruc la Advisor in 1241 , and Saint-Félix-Lauragais in 1245 .


William or William de Nogaret (born about 1260 in Saint-Felix de Lauragais - died in March 1313 in Paris ), he died in Paris. This is his youngest son William II inherited the Lordship of Manduel. French jurist, a native of Languedoc , who became advisor to the King of France Philip IV , his Guard Seal , and was from 1306 the real architect of the royal policy.

In September 1307 , just days after the issuance by the Royal Chancery of the order of arrest of the Templars (he probably wrote himself), Nogaret obtained the position of the Seal Guard , where he succeeded Pierre Belleperche . He secretly prepares the arrest of the Templars, the Temple's destruction and confiscation of property.

In this context, he launched a smear campaign to prepare public opinion. On Friday, October 13, 1307 (opinion keep in suspicion on Friday 13th), at dawn, to the Office of Lauds, he arrested, imprisoned, tortured the Templars. Then he orchestrates their trial by joining testimony under horrific torture, false testimony, hirelings, sometimes grotesque.

On 27 April 1311 , Guillaume de Nogaret obtained from Clement V 's absolution for the protagonists of the conflict with Boniface VIII , as Benedict XI was denied him. It was in exchange, as repentance, to commit to moving to the next crusade, and visit a number of places of pilgrimage in France and Spain , but he never did.

He died in 1313 making anachronistic curse would have ruled on the stake, according to Maurice Druon , the master of the Knights Templar , Jacques de Molay : "Within a year, I quote to appear in court of God ... "Since Jacques de Molay was burned in 1314 . In this regard, it should be noted that Jacques de Molay, Grand Master of the Order, was imprisoned and tortured for 7 years bad luck (hence the term remains today). He dismisses his confession obtained under duress and is burned alive as all his brothers before him March 18, 1314. But perhaps there was an error on the name of William, because William Humbert (also known as William of Paris), Grand Inquisitor named dominicain of France, and confessor to the king from 1305 to 1314, who taught with William of Nogaret the trial of the Templars between 1307 and 1314, was present and we lose track of him in 1314 (rumors of assassination).

[ur]lhttp://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint-F%C3%A9lix-Lauragais[/url]

Apparently someone didn't pay their Internet bill. There are others if you're really that interested.

TCP

Interesting guy even the French have their legends of him.

“It is said” that with his last breath, Saunière murmured: “Jean vingt-trois”… “John twenty-three.” If these final words were solely attributed to Gérard de Sède’s books, we should rightfully place them in doubt until confirmation of these statements could be found elsewhere. But he is not alone in talking about these three last words. It does necessarily mean they come from Saunière, but they do make them part and parcel of the story, and not just the “addition” of one man. Remarkably, few if any researchers have paid much attention to them, hence why many seem to consider them on occasion to be a “de Sède invention”

http://www.perillos.com/johnxxiii_1.html
I was wondering who else said Sauniere's last words were John 23

Henry doesn't seem to mention Sauniere's last words but it seem De Sede does
John XXIII is one of the Popes in Malachy's prophecies
and that was Roncali who Henry does mention on pages 159 and 160
He brings up the Prophecies of Pope John XXIII
and he tells of Roncali's initation into the Rose Crux
in Turkey before he became pope

Yes Rain and his grandfather I believe was involved in the Cathar Crusade ....on the side that lost

I didn't know that. Thanks.

http://www.rennes-le-chateau-rhedae.com/bedu/endofdream.html
Jean Robin was able to write:

"On the lips of the dying man, his friend, Dr Courrent, according to some hagiographers, was able to hear a mysterious name, uttered in final appeal; John XXIII."

What is interesting in this legend is the fact that Dr Courrent was at the bedside of the dying priest
but his name is not on the death certificate
whose name is on the death certificate
is the mayor the gardener and the Stone Mason

but not the DOCTOR

why?

After his death, the body of Sauniere was sat upright, in the open air, while the villagers filed past, each picking tassels from his cloak. This brings to mind the belief that the Merovingian supernatural powers extended to even the tassels on their cloaks.

In 1946, the Villa was sold to Noel Corbu, a businessman, on the understanding that Marie could continue to live there for the rest of her life. According to the French writer, Gerard de Sede, Corbu may have been acting in collusion with the Vatican, who were desperate to get their hands on the property. Corbu suggests that the church had made several attempts to persuade Marie to sell, but she refused.

Corbu applied to the Vatican for a grant and they took the unusual step of sending a Papal Ambassador direct to Carcassone to deal with the matter. This was none other than Cardinal Roncalli, who later became Pope John XXIII. The grant was initially refused, but the Vatican later changed their mind, adding to the speculation.

Marie is said to have promised Corbu that before she died she would tell him a secret that would make him a rich and powerful man. However, on January 29, 1953, at the age of 85, she suffered a stroke that rendered her incapable of speech. To everyone’s frustration, she died shortly afterwards, taking her secret with her.

As for Corbu, he sold the Villa in 1962, and bought a castle that had formally belonged to the Cathars. On May 28, 1968, a lorry flattened his car. According to witnesses, the lorry had been parked at the side of the road. As Corbu’s car drove past, it was crushed with him still inside.

We find that the castle Corbu bought had a connection with Pope John the XXII the Antipope

Pierre Duèze, Seigneur de Saint-Félix
Pope John XXII brother
lived in a palace
Family of the Cahors

the same place that Corbu bought later
http://www.juneaustin.co.uk/mysteries/rennes-le-chateaux

Does anybody know where Claire Corbu graduated on scholarship?
and Antoine Captier was the gardener on Sauniere's death certificate

Did she marry a relative of Antoine Captier?

the nephews of Clement V and John XXII got finished going through former Templar properties in Languedoc and Provence (which were withheld from Hospitaller Grand Master Helion de Villeneuve, brother of St. Roseline

Pierre Dreuze picked up some property as well from the Hospitaliars

Saint-Felix-de-Caraman, now called Saint-Félix-Lauragais.
from Sheila a while back



Yes, the place is named for the same St. Felix of Girona, but I was speaking of familial connections: a fortunate marriage to an Isle-Jourdain descendant of Esclarmonde de Foix, another to Beatrix de Périllos, another to Isabeau de Foix whose maternal grandfather was the Viscount of Girona, plus the usual smattering of parings with Voisins, Hautpouls, etc. Blood connections.

TCP

Well, to be fair, the Hospitallers were compensated with estates in Calabria and Sicily.



Yes, the former Templar commandery of Montricoux. The Hospitallers got to retain the church though. Interesting property, after it was first confiscated from the Templars it was given to Esquieu de Floyran, the former Templar Prior of Montfaucon who first made public the allegations against the Templars. He was found murdered in the nearby woods a couple of years later, 1321 if I remember correctly.



Yes, but that's fairly typical.



On the walls? Not that I can recall. You aren't referring to the ones carved into the arches above the nave by any chance?



Yes, fortunate marriages indeed.

TCP

I found the answer myself
and yes Antoine Captier is a relative of the Bell ringer and the man on Sauniere's death certificate
http://youtu.be/6H5j2bGAqbU

Here Antoine talks about the "Lords Tomb"
and that Sauniere was in trouble with the towns people for digging up the cemetery

John XXII wasn't an antipope, Lov. He's listed in the Liber Pontificalis.

TCP

John XXIII
. As a sign of his esteem, the President of France, Vincent Auriol, claimed the ancient privilege possessed by French monarchs and bestowed the red hat on Roncalli at a ceremony in the Elysee Palace.

Not verisimilitudinous to have both "legend" and "fact" in the same sentence Lov.
Perhaps the good Doctor, as a friend, was unwilling to put his name to the certificate.
But the point remains, as you keep asking (and no-one seems to be able to answer), how kosher is a death certificate not certified by a medical doctor?

Rs you are right on
sorry about using the word fact with Dr Courrant at his bedside hearing John 23 as Sauniere's last words
but your understand what I'm trying to understand
how can we have stories of illness and diagnosis of stroke or heart attacks
when we don't have a MEDICAL DOCTOR on the death certificate
we have a Stonemason and a Bell ringer and the Mayor
whose probably a relative to Abbe Riviere

If Sauniere collapsed onto the Belvedere then he was exposed to the cold ...if one has a stroke or heart attack not good
then we here stories that he pulled himself into the glass porch around the door but then part of him would be in the doorway or library
where there was warmth
and we hear Marie doesn't cover him just runs for men to pick him up
We don't know if he has a blow to the head when he hits the stone Belvedere or does he break anything
did he suffer frostbite from the terrible cold

none of these are listed on his death certificate
but how could it be since no qualified physician signed it or gave cause of death
and RS
the names on the death certificate are incredible too
a Bell Ringer/gardener and a Stonemason
why not get Marie the housekeeper to put her name on it too
Why those THREE names.... Why Three why not just the Mayors name


RS

Perhaps the good Doctor, as a friend, was unwilling to put his name to the certificate.
are you saying Captier the Mayor and the Stonemason were not his friends?
Why would a DOCTOR be reluctant?

Thanks TCP Pope John XXII

Interesting the Templar Commandry of Vaour
The choice of Vaour has not been randomly decided, the commandery was built, exactly on the site of an antique "crowned place", probably preceltic, dedicated to the worship of water, as the flagstone with drains atest it.
http://templum.zabra.org/vestiges/quercy/vaour/commandery_of_vaour.php

The Commandery of Montricoux
The oldest vestiges of Montricoux’s area went from the Palaeolithic ( flint ,dolmen,…).at Gaelic times that belonged to the Carduques people which have left their name to QUERCY and CAHORS town.
http://templum.zabra.org/vestiges/quercy/montricoux/Commandery_of_montricoux.php
In 1140 the soldier/monks came to Vaour & started one of the 1st commanderies in the first half of the 12th century. At the beginning of the 13th century the SW of France would boast more than 100 commanderies from a total of 500 throughout France
In 1312 Philipe le Bel gave part of the Commanderie at Montricoux to the denouncer Squire de Floyac, the other part went to the Order of St. John. In 1332 this was exchanged for land in Languedoc & Pierre Dueze (brother of the new Pope) got title.

There were underground tunnels at Vaourswhich allowed the Templars to escape
[urlhttp://reperes-photographies.com/Accueil/TemplierVaour_Internet/History1.htm][/url]